The wording is not wrong. Especially if there is stuff as sharing code in-between from what CIG does back to Lumberyard on their license; on such things it is not wrong to call a partnership between two companies.
In fact you see companies do this all the time, they hire services of X and Y other companies and call them business partners, even though to all that is factual they are just clients of those companies.
I'd be fine with that but amazon doesn't really mention any of that. They say they are excited to see what they can do with their technology but really you are just assuming all of this(much like I am but on the opposite end of the spectrum)
Kefo said: I'd be fine with that but amazon doesn't really mention any of that. They say they are excited to see what they can do with their technology but really you are just assuming all of this(much like I am but on the opposite end of the spectrum)
I'm not assuming that they are or not, just what is pretty normal that companies hiring services from each other usually use the partner definition even though between them it still is a custumer>service provider kind of deal.
Kefo said: I'd be fine with that but amazon doesn't really mention any of that. They say they are excited to see what they can do with their technology but really you are just assuming all of this(much like I am but on the opposite end of the spectrum)
I'm not assuming that they are or not ,just what is pretty normal that companies hiring services from each other usually use the partner definition even though between them it still is a custumer>service provider kind of deal.
Probably why I think most companies are idiots since they tend to not use English properly
Not that I'm in any way blaming the staff, but this title really implies a new engine.
Lumberyard isn't really a new engine, just Amazon's additions to the CryEngine.
Maybe if the title had read something like "CIG utilizing Amazon Lumberyard to help modify CryEngine for Star Citizen" or something, it would've avoided a lot of the back and forth.
Then again, as a staff on a gaming website, the back and forth is a lot of traffic, which is a good thing for the site.
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
I think it was pretty awesome of CR to provide a response given that it is Christmas and everyone should have a break.
Being a "regular licensee" in no way prevents them being "a partner". If you believe however that CiG simply downloaded Lumberyard, downloaded the standard agreement, returned it, threw away their bespoke stuff and then discovered - miraculously - that Amazon had developed 64-bit and all the other exact same code - then carry on.
If you want to be negative then suggest the partnership is probably very minor - something as simple as CiG and the Amazon folk sitting down, discussing their development plans and cutting out duplicate development for example. (Probably to positive - you will have to think of something less significant.)
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
I think it was pretty awesome of CR to provide a response given that it is Christmas and everyone should have a break.
Being a "regular licensee" in no way prevents them being "a partner". If you believe however that CiG simply downloaded Lumberyard, downloaded the standard agreement, returned it, threw away their bespoke stuff and then discovered - miraculously - that Amazon had developed 64-bit and all the other exact same code - then carry on.
If you want to be negative then suggest the partnership is probably very minor - something as simple as CiG and the Amazon folk sitting down, discussing their development plans and cutting out duplicate development for example. (Probably to positive - you will have to think of something less significant.)
Feel free to point out where I am speaking ill of moving to LY. I could care less about them integrating LY into Starengine or vice versa as it seems to have improved performance for the newest patch.
I am however pointing out the discrepancies in wording between CR and his director of communications and Amazon. I suppose in Chris' reality everyone is working with him or for him and he's never the customer
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
I think it was pretty awesome of CR to provide a response given that it is Christmas and everyone should have a break.
Being a "regular licensee" in no way prevents them being "a partner". If you believe however that CiG simply downloaded Lumberyard, downloaded the standard agreement, returned it, threw away their bespoke stuff and then discovered - miraculously - that Amazon had developed 64-bit and all the other exact same code - then carry on.
If you want to be negative then suggest the partnership is probably very minor - something as simple as CiG and the Amazon folk sitting down, discussing their development plans and cutting out duplicate development for example. (Probably to positive - you will have to think of something less significant.)
Feel free to point out where I am speaking ill of moving to LY. I could care less about them integrating LY into Starengine or vice versa as it seems to have improved performance for the newest patch.
I am however pointing out the discrepancies in wording between CR and his director of communications and Amazon. I suppose in Chris' reality everyone is working with him or for him and he's never the customer
Apologies then - I only said you could do that if you wanted to be negative though! That is meant as both a joke and an example of how one can nitpick. As I said though I don't see a "discrepancy". Yes different words but in context a partnership - of some sort - underneath which CiG is a regular licensee.
As I said earlier for me a key question is whether the CiG bespoke stuff is now part of "regular" Lumberyard - available to any LY user - or whether it is only available to CiG?
My head says that if - as seems to be the case - SC is / is going to be promoted by Amazon as a Lumberyard game then they would want any LY user to be able to use the CiG unique stuff. Haven't read anything about LY stuff being locked behind a premium service.
Which begs a question though. Did CiG "simply" hand the work over to Amazon? Or get something in return? (Remember all the Twitch, AWS and Double Helix stuff is being offered to anyone for free so its not that. I can think of things in kind that it might be; maybe no more than Amazon developing some stuff - that they planned to do - earlier. And if this was stuff that CiG were planning to do this would be good for them. We can only speculate.
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
I think it was pretty awesome of CR to provide a response given that it is Christmas and everyone should have a break.
Being a "regular licensee" in no way prevents them being "a partner". If you believe however that CiG simply downloaded Lumberyard, downloaded the standard agreement, returned it, threw away their bespoke stuff and then discovered - miraculously - that Amazon had developed 64-bit and all the other exact same code - then carry on.
If you want to be negative then suggest the partnership is probably very minor - something as simple as CiG and the Amazon folk sitting down, discussing their development plans and cutting out duplicate development for example. (Probably to positive - you will have to think of something less significant.)
Feel free to point out where I am speaking ill of moving to LY. I could care less about them integrating LY into Starengine or vice versa as it seems to have improved performance for the newest patch.
I am however pointing out the discrepancies in wording between CR and his director of communications and Amazon. I suppose in Chris' reality everyone is working with him or for him and he's never the customer
Apologies then - I only said you could do that if you wanted to be negative though! That is meant as both a joke and an example of how one can nitpick. As I said though I don't see a "discrepancy". Yes different words but in context a partnership - of some sort - underneath which CiG is a regular licensee.
As I said earlier for me a key question is whether the CiG bespoke stuff is now part of "regular" Lumberyard - available to any LY user - or whether it is only available to CiG?
My head says that if - as seems to be the case - SC is / is going to be promoted by Amazon as a Lumberyard game then they would want any LY user to be able to use the CiG unique stuff. Haven't read anything about LY stuff being locked behind a premium service.
Which begs a question though. Did CiG "simply" hand the work over to Amazon? Or get something in return? (Remember all the Twitch, AWS and Double Helix stuff is being offered to anyone for free so its not that. I can think of things in kind that it might be; maybe no more than Amazon developing some stuff - that they planned to do - earlier. And if this was stuff that CiG were planning to do this would be good for them. We can only speculate.
No harm no foul.
I think Amazon is just banking on CIG's popularity to "sell" more copies of LY for them. I can't see CIG incorporating their tech into a free engine that can be given away to anyone which would then catch up any competition on what they are doing.
CIG received some benefit on the backend it seems since performance has improved from what I am reading in terms of gameplay. If all the fans want to keep it up and say this is a partnership then I'm curious what the benefit to Amazon is. Being able to say their engine helps power Star Citizen isn't it because they get that anyway so where's the gain on amazons behalf and how much of a gain is it?
That's doesn't make it a lie, unless David turns round and tell us otherwise.
The only people spinning are people like yourself trying to turn this news into something negative or some PR disaster or the death of SC, even when info is provided.
Why is it hard to just accept nothing dramatic has happened?
They switched engines. Done.
Nothing more, nothing less, yet we have 6 pages of people trying to unravel a conspiracy.
Conspiracy??
So i assume you are saying that they made the change for NO REASON at all?They just enjoy the added work and cost of doing so?There are also some legal issues they would be bound to as well.
Nobody is saying a conspiracy but i feel most are seeing yet another sidestep by an incompetent leader.Is not change laying claim that he picked a bad engine prior?If his original choice was sound,then no need to make change.Also why LOCK yourself into Amazon's structure,a worse more limiting structure?
There might be yet more than we know?Perhaps they are partnered with Amazon,receiving money from Amazon yet still claiming they need the gamer's money?
Bottom line is this does NOT make any sense at all,so there 100% is most definitely some sort of agenda behind this move that Chris will never share.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
Someday when you work in a professional industry the extensive use of the word partnership might not seem so strange to you. At the fry station you probably don't hear that as much.
Lol it's funny you assume I work at a fast food restaurant when that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you'd like to have a normal conversation though please don't try to insult me because you're the only one being made a fool.
Are y'all fucking stupid or what, this is basically the same engine with added network features, which has been a limiting factor so far, now they can use amazon cloud shit. Its a good thing, not a bad thing.
Not a SC lover or believer but a lot of people are just spreading bullshit
I wouldn't say stupid. I mean Amazon is basically giving away a free version of crytek with addons. Which is strange something like that is legal. But we found out they buy the license to distribute which changes everything.
<snip> I think Amazon is just banking on CIG's popularity to "sell" more copies of LY for them. I can't see CIG incorporating their tech into a free engine that can be given away to anyone which would then catch up any competition on what they are doing.
CIG received some benefit on the backend it seems since performance has improved from what I am reading in terms of gameplay. If all the fans want to keep it up and say this is a partnership then I'm curious what the benefit to Amazon is. Being able to say their engine helps power Star Citizen isn't it because they get that anyway so where's the gain on amazons behalf and how much of a gain is it?
Publicity - obviously.
There could be stuff though that Amazon want to add to Lumberyard that CiG have to do anyway. So that could benefit Amazon.
As to CiG not wanting other companies to have access to - yes. First - maybe - there is "basic" functional stuff - that Amazon were going to do anyway in the "near future". If so other companies would get this anyway - via Amazon - so CiG's options would be:
develop it themselves, throw that away when Amazon release their version;
wait for Amazon, hope their "near future" is early enough and they don't have a change of heart;
develop it themselves and share with Amazon in return for something.
So that would be a no brainer - you share it with Amazon. Then there is the "crown jewels" stuff, some already done e.g. the 64-bit stuff, some still to do.
From a competitor perspective you want to keep this to yourself;
From a configuration control perspective having opted to go with Lumberyard you want in all in Lumberyard to avoid any issues that might arise from future development
From a financial perspective could they have got something back - in kind rather than direct financial.
Very easy for head, heart and gut to have different opinions. On balance though I think it is all in. And all future development work is going into Lumberyard as well. CR spoke about the community being able to see under the hood; Amazon also provide a legal framework of protection (or what its worth) should someone try and rip the Lumberyard code. And beyond that there could even be a codicil agreed.
Its why I am inclined to accept that there is indeed "some sort of partnership". What though ...?
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
Someday when you work in a professional industry the extensive use of the word partnership might not seem so strange to you. At the fry station you probably don't hear that as much.
Lol it's funny you assume I work at a fast food restaurant when that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you'd like to have a normal conversation though please don't try to insult me because you're the only one being made a fool.
I'm not saying you work in fast food or that the profession isn't worthy of respect. I'm pointing out that either you don't work in a professional business and are just spouting your tripe from ignorance or that you're trolling and being willfully obtuse and acting the fool yourself.
People in a professional type of business who have worked in it for even a short time have heard upper management use the word partnership in business relationships with their customers and competitors.
So when you're ready to have a grown up discussion try not to insult the intelligence of everyone in the forum by pretending this is something unusual or nefarious.
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
(Business) Customers may buy from suppliers purely on price. Most (business) companies however don't want to have to check the quality of every single batch of goods they buy. So - unless its say a basic resource - they will want to vet (long term) suppliers. Which often leads to agreements, maybe very simple - deliver in a guaranteed time; hook up order management systems, grow a certain brand of potato or maybe build entire factories. Everything except big stuff will be handled by company buyers.
A clue as to whether there is a "partnership" is whether you always buy from the same company / group of companies. If you do there is almost certainly "something" in place.
At what point an "agreement" becomes a "strategic partnership" though - well the only definition you will find is its a partnership if there is one or more business contracts agreed. Which - in my opinion - means the term partnership might be over used. That said a big company may consider a deal to buy from a small company as minor; to the small company however it could be huge and have major implications on how they structure there business.
And in this instance the big company is Amazon and the small company is CiG.
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
Someday when you work in a professional industry the extensive use of the word partnership might not seem so strange to you. At the fry station you probably don't hear that as much.
Lol it's funny you assume I work at a fast food restaurant when that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you'd like to have a normal conversation though please don't try to insult me because you're the only one being made a fool.
I'm not saying you work in fast food or that the profession isn't worthy of respect. I'm pointing out that either you don't work in a professional business and are just spouting your tripe from ignorance or that you're trolling and being willfully obtuse and acting the fool yourself.
People in a professional type of business who have worked in it for even a short time have heard upper management use the word partnership in business relationships with their customers and competitors.
So when you're ready to have a grown up discussion try not to insult the intelligence of everyone in the forum by pretending this is something unusual or nefarious.
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
Lol you are exhibiting an uncommon amount of anger for something I am stating as my opinion. You might wanna take a step back and calm down since I seem to be pissing you just by posting. Or not, I can use the entertainment while I cook Christmas dinner
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
(Business) Customers may buy from suppliers purely on price. Most (business) companies however don't want to have to check the quality of every single batch of goods they buy. So - unless its say a basic resource - they will want to vet (long term) suppliers. Which often leads to agreements, maybe very simple - deliver in a guaranteed time; hook up order management systems, grow a certain brand of potato or maybe build entire factories. Everything except big stuff will be handled by company buyers.
A clue as to whether there is a "partnership" is whether you always buy from the same company / group of companies. If you do there is almost certainly "something" in place.
At what point an "agreement" becomes a "strategic partnership" though - well the only definition you will find is its a partnership if there is one or more business contracts agreed. Which - in my opinion - means the term partnership might be over used. That said a big company may consider a deal to buy from a small company as minor; to the small company however it could be huge and have major implications on how they structure there business.
And in this instance the big company is Amazon and the small company is CiG.
@gervaise1 thank you for actually being calm and rational in your explanation unlike others in this thread
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
Lumberyard and StarEngine are both forks from exactly the SAME build of CryEngine.
We stopped taking new builds from Crytek towards the end of 2015. So did Amazon. Because of this the core of the engine that we use is the same one that Amazon use and the switch was painless (I think it took us a day or so of two engineers on the engine team). What runs Star Citizen and Squadron 42 is our heavily modified version of the engine which we have dubbed StarEngine, just now our foundation is Lumberyard not CryEngine. None of our work was thrown away or modified. We switched the like for like parts of the engine from CryEngine to Lumberyard. All of our bespoke work from 64 bit precision, new rendering and planet tech, Item / Entity 2.0, Local Physics Grids, Zone System, Object Containers and so on were unaffected and remain unique to Star Citizen.
Going forward we will utilize the features of Lumberyard that make sense for Star Citizen. We made this choice as Amazon's and our focus is aligned in building massively online games that utilize the power of cloud computing to deliver a richer online experience than would be possible with an old fashioned single server architecture (which is what CryNetwork is).
Looking at Crytek's roadmap and Amazon's we determined that Amazon was investing in the areas we were most interested in. They are a massive company that is making serious investments into Lumberyard and AWS to support next generation online gaming. Crytek doesn't have the resources to compete with this level of investment and have never been focused on the network or online aspects of the engine in the way we or Amazon are. Because of this combined with the fact we weren't taking new builds of CryEngine we decided that Amazon would be the best partner going forward for the future of Star Citizen.
Finally there was no ulterior motive in the timing of the announcement. The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 and we agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6, which would be the first release on Lumberyard and AWS. If you have been checking out our schedule updates you would know that we originally had hoped to release 2.6 at the beginning of December, not Friday the 23rd!
I hope this clears up some of the speculation I have seen. We are very excited to be partnered with Amazon and feel this move is a big win for Star Citizen and by extension everyone that has backed the project.
p.s. I wont be replying to this as it is Christmas and I am meant to be enjoying a bit of time off with my family (and playing some games - you may see me pop into a Star Marine or AC match or two!)
p.p.s Happy Holidays All!
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
Someday when you work in a professional industry the extensive use of the word partnership might not seem so strange to you. At the fry station you probably don't hear that as much.
Lol it's funny you assume I work at a fast food restaurant when that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you'd like to have a normal conversation though please don't try to insult me because you're the only one being made a fool.
I'm not saying you work in fast food or that the profession isn't worthy of respect. I'm pointing out that either you don't work in a professional business and are just spouting your tripe from ignorance or that you're trolling and being willfully obtuse and acting the fool yourself.
People in a professional type of business who have worked in it for even a short time have heard upper management use the word partnership in business relationships with their customers and competitors.
So when you're ready to have a grown up discussion try not to insult the intelligence of everyone in the forum by pretending this is something unusual or nefarious.
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
Lol you are exhibiting an uncommon amount of anger for something I am stating as my opinion. You might wanna take a step back and calm down since I seem to be pissing you just by posting. Or not, I can use the entertainment while I cook Christmas dinner
Lol.... Then why present it as a fact. Clearly you have severely lacking industry know how of what a partnership is. Then again, it doesnt really matter, As most do understand the fact that they got a new engine and the partnership refers to the fact that the engine is a part of SC delivered by another company. But I kinda have a feeling that "The troll is strong in this one".
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
(Business) Customers may buy from suppliers purely on price. Most (business) companies however don't want to have to check the quality of every single batch of goods they buy. So - unless its say a basic resource - they will want to vet (long term) suppliers. Which often leads to agreements, maybe very simple - deliver in a guaranteed time; hook up order management systems, grow a certain brand of potato or maybe build entire factories. Everything except big stuff will be handled by company buyers.
A clue as to whether there is a "partnership" is whether you always buy from the same company / group of companies. If you do there is almost certainly "something" in place.
At what point an "agreement" becomes a "strategic partnership" though - well the only definition you will find is its a partnership if there is one or more business contracts agreed. Which - in my opinion - means the term partnership might be over used. That said a big company may consider a deal to buy from a small company as minor; to the small company however it could be huge and have major implications on how they structure there business.
And in this instance the big company is Amazon and the small company is CiG.
Sometimes business just "partner" on a project. We partner with our data partners (and competitors) and customers, vendors, and independent consultants all the time. It doesn't really have to go further. It could, but it doesn't need to get really complicated.
Totally agree @Torval . Its horses for courses. Simple or very complex. With no precise definition and whilst I said "overused imo" maybe a better term might be "imprecisely used". Perspective is crucial.
Farmer supplying potatoes to a major grocery chain or McD say - partnership. Staff taking delivery of potatoes at warehouse - supplier; just buying potatoes after all. Grocery staff charged with making sure they only sell quality produce - responsible for putting the farm through the wringer since their necks will be on the line for grubs, listeria, exploding batteries ....."strategic supplier".
For CiG and Amazon I am sure there is "something" but how simple or complex it is - shrug. Certainly looks like a win-win though.
The Switch For Lumberyard took them a day and 2 engineers. There you go... That was what I was telling if Lumberyard and CIG have forked off Cryengine at the same time, being that Lumberyard is not any heavily modified CE and CIG then there they mostly just needed to re-apply the custom engine to the same base build of CE as before (COPY/PASTE)! lol
Also, he uses the word partnership multiple times bellow "The deal wasn't fully finalized until after the release of 2.5 andwe agreed with Amazon to announce the switch and partnership upon the release of 2.6".
So Chris Roberts uses the word partnership, partner etc and yet David Swofford says they are a regular licensee of the engine and Amazon makes no mention of this supposed partnership.
Its pretty bad when your director of communication is inadvertanetly shining a big fat spotlight on your lies and spin. Maybe they should have had a meeting first so Chris could tell him not to make him look any more like an idiot
Someday when you work in a professional industry the extensive use of the word partnership might not seem so strange to you. At the fry station you probably don't hear that as much.
Lol it's funny you assume I work at a fast food restaurant when that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you'd like to have a normal conversation though please don't try to insult me because you're the only one being made a fool.
I'm not saying you work in fast food or that the profession isn't worthy of respect. I'm pointing out that either you don't work in a professional business and are just spouting your tripe from ignorance or that you're trolling and being willfully obtuse and acting the fool yourself.
People in a professional type of business who have worked in it for even a short time have heard upper management use the word partnership in business relationships with their customers and competitors.
So when you're ready to have a grown up discussion try not to insult the intelligence of everyone in the forum by pretending this is something unusual or nefarious.
Probably why I like where I work since upper management doesn't say partnership with any customers/suppliers because they aren't idiots. There are customers or suppliers. If we buy something from someone they are a supplier and we a customer and vice versa.
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
Like I said, in professional industries that's a common word used. Maybe you shouldn't comment about industries and businesses you don't know shit about like you're an expert.
Lol you are exhibiting an uncommon amount of anger for something I am stating as my opinion. You might wanna take a step back and calm down since I seem to be pissing you just by posting. Or not, I can use the entertainment while I cook Christmas dinner
Lol.... Then why present it as a fact. Clearly you have severely lacking industry know how of what a partnership is. Then again, it doesnt really matter, As most do understand the fact that they got a new engine and the partnership refers to the fact that the engine is a part of SC delivered by another company. But I kinda have a feeling that "The troll is strong in this one".
I don't work in the game industry, never admitted to it and never will. If it's coming across as fact then that's just how I always post things as I tend to lack a filter and how I word things.
I do do find it funny that my posting a negative opinion is seen as trolling though. Guess if it's not all rainbow farts and sunshine you shouldn't post it right?
<snip> I think Amazon is just banking on CIG's popularity to "sell" more copies of LY for them. I can't see CIG incorporating their tech into a free engine that can be given away to anyone which would then catch up any competition on what they are doing.
CIG received some benefit on the backend it seems since performance has improved from what I am reading in terms of gameplay. If all the fans want to keep it up and say this is a partnership then I'm curious what the benefit to Amazon is. Being able to say their engine helps power Star Citizen isn't it because they get that anyway so where's the gain on amazons behalf and how much of a gain is it?
Publicity - obviously.
There could be stuff though that Amazon want to add to Lumberyard that CiG have to do anyway. So that could benefit Amazon.
As to CiG not wanting other companies to have access to - yes. First - maybe - there is "basic" functional stuff - that Amazon were going to do anyway in the "near future". If so other companies would get this anyway - via Amazon - so CiG's options would be:
develop it themselves, throw that away when Amazon release their version;
wait for Amazon, hope their "near future" is early enough and they don't have a change of heart;
develop it themselves and share with Amazon in return for something.
So that would be a no brainer - you share it with Amazon. Then there is the "crown jewels" stuff, some already done e.g. the 64-bit stuff, some still to do.
From a competitor perspective you want to keep this to yourself;
From a configuration control perspective having opted to go with Lumberyard you want in all in Lumberyard to avoid any issues that might arise from future development
From a financial perspective could they have got something back - in kind rather than direct financial.
Very easy for head, heart and gut to have different opinions. On balance though I think it is all in. And all future development work is going into Lumberyard as well. CR spoke about the community being able to see under the hood; Amazon also provide a legal framework of protection (or what its worth) should someone try and rip the Lumberyard code. And beyond that there could even be a codicil agreed.
Its why I am inclined to accept that there is indeed "some sort of partnership". What though ...?
I'm inclined to believe that Amazon is holding all of the cards here. Amazon can have a thousand different games under their belt to promote Lumberyard and CiG is just one of them. If CiG wants the recognition that comes with being an Amazon partner, however, then they've got to provide a lot more in return.
In other words, the partnership is far more valuable to CiG than Amazon, and Bezos is no fool. He didn't create the biggest corporation in the world from his garage by not making great deals.
I would bet CiG owes Lumberyard a shitload of assets.
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Lumberyard isn't really a new engine, just Amazon's additions to the CryEngine.
Maybe if the title had read something like "CIG utilizing Amazon Lumberyard to help modify CryEngine for Star Citizen" or something, it would've avoided a lot of the back and forth.
Then again, as a staff on a gaming website, the back and forth is a lot of traffic, which is a good thing for the site.
Being a "regular licensee" in no way prevents them being "a partner". If you believe however that CiG simply downloaded Lumberyard, downloaded the standard agreement, returned it, threw away their bespoke stuff and then discovered - miraculously - that Amazon had developed 64-bit and all the other exact same code - then carry on.
If you want to be negative then suggest the partnership is probably very minor - something as simple as CiG and the Amazon folk sitting down, discussing their development plans and cutting out duplicate development for example. (Probably to positive - you will have to think of something less significant.)
I am however pointing out the discrepancies in wording between CR and his director of communications and Amazon. I suppose in Chris' reality everyone is working with him or for him and he's never the customer
As I said earlier for me a key question is whether the CiG bespoke stuff is now part of "regular" Lumberyard - available to any LY user - or whether it is only available to CiG?
My head says that if - as seems to be the case - SC is / is going to be promoted by Amazon as a Lumberyard game then they would want any LY user to be able to use the CiG unique stuff. Haven't read anything about LY stuff being locked behind a premium service.
Which begs a question though. Did CiG "simply" hand the work over to Amazon? Or get something in return? (Remember all the Twitch, AWS and Double Helix stuff is being offered to anyone for free so its not that. I can think of things in kind that it might be; maybe no more than Amazon developing some stuff - that they planned to do - earlier. And if this was stuff that CiG were planning to do this would be good for them. We can only speculate.
I think Amazon is just banking on CIG's popularity to "sell" more copies of LY for them. I can't see CIG incorporating their tech into a free engine that can be given away to anyone which would then catch up any competition on what they are doing.
CIG received some benefit on the backend it seems since performance has improved from what I am reading in terms of gameplay. If all the fans want to keep it up and say this is a partnership then I'm curious what the benefit to Amazon is. Being able to say their engine helps power Star Citizen isn't it because they get that anyway so where's the gain on amazons behalf and how much of a gain is it?
So i assume you are saying that they made the change for NO REASON at all?They just enjoy the added work and cost of doing so?There are also some legal issues they would be bound to as well.
Nobody is saying a conspiracy but i feel most are seeing yet another sidestep by an incompetent leader.Is not change laying claim that he picked a bad engine prior?If his original choice was sound,then no need to make change.Also why LOCK yourself into Amazon's structure,a worse more limiting structure?
There might be yet more than we know?Perhaps they are partnered with Amazon,receiving money from Amazon yet still claiming they need the gamer's money?
Bottom line is this does NOT make any sense at all,so there 100% is most definitely some sort of agenda behind this move that Chris will never share.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
There could be stuff though that Amazon want to add to Lumberyard that CiG have to do anyway. So that could benefit Amazon.
As to CiG not wanting other companies to have access to - yes. First - maybe - there is "basic" functional stuff - that Amazon were going to do anyway in the "near future". If so other companies would get this anyway - via Amazon - so CiG's options would be:
- develop it themselves, throw that away when Amazon release their version;
- wait for Amazon, hope their "near future" is early enough and they don't have a change of heart;
- develop it themselves and share with Amazon in return for something.
So that would be a no brainer - you share it with Amazon. Then there is the "crown jewels" stuff, some already done e.g. the 64-bit stuff, some still to do.- From a competitor perspective you want to keep this to yourself;
- From a configuration control perspective having opted to go with Lumberyard you want in all in Lumberyard to avoid any issues that might arise from future development
- From a financial perspective could they have got something back - in kind rather than direct financial.
Very easy for head, heart and gut to have different opinions. On balance though I think it is all in. And all future development work is going into Lumberyard as well. CR spoke about the community being able to see under the hood; Amazon also provide a legal framework of protection (or what its worth) should someone try and rip the Lumberyard code. And beyond that there could even be a codicil agreed.Its why I am inclined to accept that there is indeed "some sort of partnership". What though ...?
The only person who is getting insulted appears to be you because you don't like that I am making an observation on the disparity in wording between CR, someone in his own company and the business they are getting a product from.
A clue as to whether there is a "partnership" is whether you always buy from the same company / group of companies. If you do there is almost certainly "something" in place.
At what point an "agreement" becomes a "strategic partnership" though - well the only definition you will find is its a partnership if there is one or more business contracts agreed. Which - in my opinion - means the term partnership might be over used. That said a big company may consider a deal to buy from a small company as minor; to the small company however it could be huge and have major implications on how they structure there business.
And in this instance the big company is Amazon and the small company is CiG.
@gervaise1 thank you for actually being calm and rational in your explanation unlike others in this thread
They wrote the release date backwards. It's actually due sometime early in 4012.
In the meantime you can pre-purchases all sorts of goods!
Farmer supplying potatoes to a major grocery chain or McD say - partnership. Staff taking delivery of potatoes at warehouse - supplier; just buying potatoes after all. Grocery staff charged with making sure they only sell quality produce - responsible for putting the farm through the wringer since their necks will be on the line for grubs, listeria, exploding batteries ....."strategic supplier".
For CiG and Amazon I am sure there is "something" but how simple or complex it is - shrug. Certainly looks like a win-win though.
I do do find it funny that my posting a negative opinion is seen as trolling though. Guess if it's not all rainbow farts and sunshine you shouldn't post it right?
In other words, the partnership is far more valuable to CiG than Amazon, and Bezos is no fool. He didn't create the biggest corporation in the world from his garage by not making great deals.
I would bet CiG owes Lumberyard a shitload of assets.
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