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ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
I just finished this build and was wondering if it is viable for a 46" 1080P TV. If so, what resolution should I put it on?:

AMD A10 7850k
Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo
MSI A68HM-E33V2
RGB Led w/ remote
EVGA Geforce GTX 960
1TB 7200RPM Hard Drive 
EVGA 500w Power supply
Hyper X 8gb RAM
Windows 10 

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342
    There is no point in APU(A10 7850k)+discrete graphics card.
  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
    Gdemami said:
    There is no point in APU(A10 7850k)+discrete graphics card.
    I'm sorry, but I don't understand 
  • ElalandElaland Member UncommonPosts: 40
    The A10 7850k is an integrated chip (CPU + Graphics) intended to support video without buying another video card.  If you want the GTX 960 card then you should consider buying a different CPU chip since you don't plan on taking advantage of its graphics support.

    Assuming the GTX 960 is what you would use the short answer to your original question is I'd think it would work for you.  There are several reports on the web indicating the 960's are good for the price, but don't expect exceptional performance.

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/review-nvidia-s-gtx-960-is-a-good-not-great-1080p-/1100-6425427/

    1080p (high definition) is usually considered 1920 x 1080 which is the pixels in width and heighth.  Since the number of pixels are fixed the bigger the screen the more they get "spread out".  The norm to determine the density across a screen is done by calculating how many pixels per inch (PPI) exist along the diagonal of your tv.  So since televisions are specified in the diagonal lets use 48 inches.  The number of pixels along a diagonal of 1920 x 1080 using some help from our old friend Pythagorus yields SQRT(1920**2 + 1080**2) or 2202 pixels.  So your pixels/inch for a 48 inch screen is 2202/48 or about 46 PPI.  For comparison a 24 inch monitor running 1920x1080 would have double the PPI (2202/24 = 92 PPI) and appear sharper side by side with the 48 inch 1080p viewed from the same distance.  However, I would imagine you would be viewing the 1080p from further away than a 24 inch monitor so it may not be noticeable depending on your viewing distance.


  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
    Elaland said:
    The A10 7850k is an integrated chip (CPU + Graphics) intended to support video without buying another video card.  If you want the GTX 960 card then you should consider buying a different CPU chip since you don't plan on taking advantage of its graphics support.

    Assuming the GTX 960 is what you would use the short answer to your original question is I'd think it would work for you.  There are several reports on the web indicating the 960's are good for the price, but don't expect exceptional performance.

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/review-nvidia-s-gtx-960-is-a-good-not-great-1080p-/1100-6425427/

    1080p (high definition) is usually considered 1920 x 1080 which is the pixels in width and heighth.  Since the number of pixels are fixed the bigger the screen the more they get "spread out".  The norm to determine the density across a screen is done by calculating how many pixels per inch (PPI) exist along the diagonal of your tv.  So since televisions are specified in the diagonal lets use 48 inches.  The number of pixels along a diagonal of 1920 x 1080 using some help from our old friend Pythagorus yields SQRT(1920**2 + 1080**2) or 2202 pixels.  So your pixels/inch for a 48 inch screen is 2202/48 or about 46 PPI.  For comparison a 24 inch monitor running 1920x1080 would have double the PPI (2202/24 = 92 PPI) and appear sharper side by side with the 48 inch 1080p viewed from the same distance.  However, I would imagine you would be viewing the 1080p from further away than a 24 inch monitor so it may not be noticeable depending on your viewing distance.


    Thank you, bud.
  • HulluckHulluck Member UncommonPosts: 839
    GTX 960 is a very odd pick given it's price tag? How much is the one you are looking at? I'm seeing them for $300 plus!!! That's crazy.  Is this a prebuilt system?  Rx 480 , R9 Fury Nitro is still on sale on newegg for $259 + $20 mail in rebate but not for long.  GTX 1060 6gb version is cheaper. why a GTX 960?  I'm just asking not trying to confuse anyone. I'm not giving advice. Just basically pointing out something i don't understand.
  • repomanrepoman Member UncommonPosts: 18
    edited January 2017
    This build will work at 1080p TV ( Resolution 1920x1080 pixels ), i guess ...
    as i read your build is finished?
    If it is already bought, then stop reading here. ;oP

    but...you could get in direct comparision ( pricewise + EU ):

    CPU - couldnt find anything else (really well useable for playing) around that price tag except an intel i3
               and that is hard near the bottom line for playing games
     
    Maybe you should fiddle around somewhat longer with CPU/GPU decision

    GPU- much better value would be to get a GTX  970 or ( much newer! ) a RX470 
              ( found also a RX480 4G around 200€! - that would be a real DEAL ) 

    A big ThinkAbout! is the new AMD product line early 2017 - but right now it's ??? price and value...

    Trying hard to become human as it should be.

  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,122
    edited January 2017
    I also find the GTX960 pick strange.

    Earlier this year, a range of new graphics cards came out. The two graphics card companies (Nvidia and AMD) were competing heavily, which drove the prices down. In practise, this means the newest cards are extremely cost effective, more so than ever in the past. They offer a lot of power for a reasonable price.

    The GTX960 is an "old" card. It does not pack a lot of power. It also costs around the same as some of the new cards. The only situation where you should consider the GTX960 is if it was heavily discounted (for $100-150?) and you could not squeeze out an additional $50-$100 to buy a newer card. I'm not even sure you can get it at that price though.

    The new line includes the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB). It has higher performance compared to the GTX 960 (2GB) you were looking at, while also costing the same (if not less). If you can manage to budget for a GTX 1060 (6GB), which is at around $250, you'll have a card that's more than viable for several years to come. If not, the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB) costs around $150, still being very decent in terms of performance.

    The GTX 960 (2GB) I'm seeing are in the $200-300 range, which would not make sense. At this point, it is an "out of print" card. They don't manufacture them anymore, so you are paying a premium to buy one, even though it's not that powerful.
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    For best bang for buck GPU you should look at AMD RX470, it costs about the same as GTX960 but its ~50% faster.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    You don't need anything special just to do the internet or simple games on a TV at 1080p.  Flat screen TVs are just big monitors really.

    As others have said, no real reason to get a 960 at this point.  A 1050 would be better or a rx480 if you're feeling up to spending a little more and stepping to the AMD dark side (just got one, it's very nice for the price).
  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
    edited January 2017
    A friend of mine bought all of this stuff to build his system and he gave up and bought a pre-made rig. He sold me all of this for $375. That's why I chose these components. Here's what Game-debate said about the system. I only play SWTOR, GW2 and WoW and this is a lot better than what I have now. I'm currently using a laptop that sounds like the fan is going to fly up out of it each time I hit a congested area in game.


  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,122
    That makes a lot of sense. It's not ideal to buy a new GTX 960, but if it comes as part of a deal, it's not bad at all.

    You should see no problems with games at 1080p. MMOs especially, should not struggle in the slightest. All of the games you listed will run on High/Highest details.

    I think it's a very solid deal. If you eventually find a game that struggles, you can always upgrade the parts that fall behind. Now you have a base to work with - something that's not possible with a laptop.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113410

    That's the same thing as the A10-7850K, except with the integrated GPU disabled.  As you can see, that makes it much cheaper.
  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
    Quizzical said:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113410

    That's the same thing as the A10-7850K, except with the integrated GPU disabled.  As you can see, that makes it much cheaper.
    Are there going to be any conflicts with the A10-7850K I have now, Quizz? I will definitely get the one you linked, but it may be a while before I get it.  
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    If you already have the hardware you listed, it's fine.  Most computers have a lot of hardware that isn't being used, and an integrated GPU sitting there idle isn't a problem.  My point is that if you had a list of components to buy new, you don't want to pay extra for an integrated GPU that isn't going to be used.
  • ThorkuneThorkune Member UncommonPosts: 1,969
    Quizzical said:
    If you already have the hardware you listed, it's fine.  Most computers have a lot of hardware that isn't being used, and an integrated GPU sitting there idle isn't a problem.  My point is that if you had a list of components to buy new, you don't want to pay extra for an integrated GPU that isn't going to be used.
    I appreciate the help.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    laxie said:
    I also find the GTX960 pick strange.

    Earlier this year, a range of new graphics cards came out. The two graphics card companies (Nvidia and AMD) were competing heavily, which drove the prices down. In practise, this means the newest cards are extremely cost effective, more so than ever in the past. They offer a lot of power for a reasonable price.

    The GTX960 is an "old" card. It does not pack a lot of power. It also costs around the same as some of the new cards. The only situation where you should consider the GTX960 is if it was heavily discounted (for $100-150?) and you could not squeeze out an additional $50-$100 to buy a newer card. I'm not even sure you can get it at that price though.

    The new line includes the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB). It has higher performance compared to the GTX 960 (2GB) you were looking at, while also costing the same (if not less). If you can manage to budget for a GTX 1060 (6GB), which is at around $250, you'll have a card that's more than viable for several years to come. If not, the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB) costs around $150, still being very decent in terms of performance.

    The GTX 960 (2GB) I'm seeing are in the $200-300 range, which would not make sense. At this point, it is an "out of print" card. They don't manufacture them anymore, so you are paying a premium to buy one, even though it's not that powerful.
    Odd post.  I have a 960 and run just about everything on high, calling it low power card is silly.  Granted a 1060 is probably a better choice, but twice the cost.  I was in Microcenter yesterday and 960's were going to $150 or less.  Know your subject matter a bit better.  Cost is always a concern for most people.
  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Quizzical said:
    If you already have the hardware you listed, it's fine.  Most computers have a lot of hardware that isn't being used, and an integrated GPU sitting there idle isn't a problem.  My point is that if you had a list of components to buy new, you don't want to pay extra for an integrated GPU that isn't going to be used.
    So what is his choice?  An Intel chip with a integrated gpu?  Most of the newer cpu's have an integrated gpu which is worthless for gaming.  Who really cares?
  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237
    For your purposes and a $375 price tag for all that it is fine.. even better than fine.

    On the CPU you just wont be using the integrated graphics card, instead you will use the 960. There should be no conflicts, but you may have to disable the Integrated GPU and enable the 960. Not 100% sure as I havent used anything with an IGPU in many year.

    I would say for the price it was a nice deal.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    Ozmodan said:
    Quizzical said:
    If you already have the hardware you listed, it's fine.  Most computers have a lot of hardware that isn't being used, and an integrated GPU sitting there idle isn't a problem.  My point is that if you had a list of components to buy new, you don't want to pay extra for an integrated GPU that isn't going to be used.
    So what is his choice?  An Intel chip with a integrated gpu?  Most of the newer cpu's have an integrated gpu which is worthless for gaming.  Who really cares?
    Well, with Intel, you don't really get the option to do without, unless you go to the extreme budget (Basic Pentium line) or very high end (Extreme/Xeon line).
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383
    jdnewell said:
    For your purposes and a $375 price tag for all that it is fine.. even better than fine.

    On the CPU you just wont be using the integrated graphics card, instead you will use the 960. There should be no conflicts, but you may have to disable the Integrated GPU and enable the 960. Not 100% sure as I havent used anything with an IGPU in many year.

    I would say for the price it was a nice deal.
    First - I agree, and it should run 1080 just fine. May not MAX MAX everything, but pretty close.

    Second - worst case is that you have to temporarily hook the monitor up to the motherboard, use that to disable the Integrated GPU, then switch it back over to your 960. Usually computers are smart enough to pick up where you have the monitor plugged in and work, but not always.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Ozmodan said:
    Quizzical said:
    If you already have the hardware you listed, it's fine.  Most computers have a lot of hardware that isn't being used, and an integrated GPU sitting there idle isn't a problem.  My point is that if you had a list of components to buy new, you don't want to pay extra for an integrated GPU that isn't going to be used.
    So what is his choice?  An Intel chip with a integrated gpu?  Most of the newer cpu's have an integrated gpu which is worthless for gaming.  Who really cares?
    My point was that if you get AMD, you do have a choice, and it's cheaper to get it without the integrated GPU.  If it was the same price either way, I'd say to go ahead and get the one with the integrated GPU.
  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,122
    Ozmodan said:
    Odd post.  I have a 960 and run just about everything on high, calling it low power card is silly.  Granted a 1060 is probably a better choice, but twice the cost.  I was in Microcenter yesterday and 960's were going to $150 or less.  Know your subject matter a bit better.  Cost is always a concern for most people.
    Fair. I have a 970, able to run most things perfectly fine. I'm sure the 960 is a great card as well. Was not familiar with the pricing.

    The recent card releases were very competitive. The 1060 is a great future proof pick. If it's too expensive, AMD has some decent cards on the lower end. My point simply was to consider the new lineups first.

    I think the OP got a nice deal on the bundle though. The 960 is more than enough to run MMOs at 1080p. Heck, you can probably run any game on the market at that resolution with the 960. Except for modded Skyrim, that is a beast I hadn't been able to tame yet. :frown:
  • MalaboogaMalabooga Member UncommonPosts: 2,977
    Ozmodan said:
    laxie said:
    I also find the GTX960 pick strange.

    Earlier this year, a range of new graphics cards came out. The two graphics card companies (Nvidia and AMD) were competing heavily, which drove the prices down. In practise, this means the newest cards are extremely cost effective, more so than ever in the past. They offer a lot of power for a reasonable price.

    The GTX960 is an "old" card. It does not pack a lot of power. It also costs around the same as some of the new cards. The only situation where you should consider the GTX960 is if it was heavily discounted (for $100-150?) and you could not squeeze out an additional $50-$100 to buy a newer card. I'm not even sure you can get it at that price though.

    The new line includes the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB). It has higher performance compared to the GTX 960 (2GB) you were looking at, while also costing the same (if not less). If you can manage to budget for a GTX 1060 (6GB), which is at around $250, you'll have a card that's more than viable for several years to come. If not, the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB) costs around $150, still being very decent in terms of performance.

    The GTX 960 (2GB) I'm seeing are in the $200-300 range, which would not make sense. At this point, it is an "out of print" card. They don't manufacture them anymore, so you are paying a premium to buy one, even though it's not that powerful.
    Odd post.  I have a 960 and run just about everything on high, calling it low power card is silly.  Granted a 1060 is probably a better choice, but twice the cost.  I was in Microcenter yesterday and 960's were going to $150 or less.  Know your subject matter a bit better.  Cost is always a concern for most people.
    Its in the context of new generation cards, RX470 goes for 165$ and is 50-60% faster than that 960 (and 1050ti)

    To put it into perspective, thats same difference in performance like RX480 for 200$ and GTX1080 for 610+$.
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Ozmodan said:
    laxie said:
    I also find the GTX960 pick strange.

    Earlier this year, a range of new graphics cards came out. The two graphics card companies (Nvidia and AMD) were competing heavily, which drove the prices down. In practise, this means the newest cards are extremely cost effective, more so than ever in the past. They offer a lot of power for a reasonable price.

    The GTX960 is an "old" card. It does not pack a lot of power. It also costs around the same as some of the new cards. The only situation where you should consider the GTX960 is if it was heavily discounted (for $100-150?) and you could not squeeze out an additional $50-$100 to buy a newer card. I'm not even sure you can get it at that price though.

    The new line includes the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB). It has higher performance compared to the GTX 960 (2GB) you were looking at, while also costing the same (if not less). If you can manage to budget for a GTX 1060 (6GB), which is at around $250, you'll have a card that's more than viable for several years to come. If not, the GTX 1050 Ti (4GB) costs around $150, still being very decent in terms of performance.

    The GTX 960 (2GB) I'm seeing are in the $200-300 range, which would not make sense. At this point, it is an "out of print" card. They don't manufacture them anymore, so you are paying a premium to buy one, even though it's not that powerful.
    Odd post.  I have a 960 and run just about everything on high, calling it low power card is silly.  Granted a 1060 is probably a better choice, but twice the cost.  I was in Microcenter yesterday and 960's were going to $150 or less.  Know your subject matter a bit better.  Cost is always a concern for most people.
    In other words, you have no clue if it's any good, but think people should buy it anyway?

    $150 is way too much for a GTX 960 these days, as it's too close to a Radeon RX 470 for $170 that is about 50% faster and has double the memory.  At $120, it would be a more interesting option, as it is definitely faster than a Radeon RX 460 or a GeForce GTX 1050.

    I think your basic mistake is implicitly assuming that because a given price on a card would have been a good value a year ago, it's still a good value today.
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