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Crowfall - The Road to Persistence - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited December 2016 in News & Features Discussion

imageCrowfall - The Road to Persistence - MMORPG.com

While in Austin, Red Thomas stopped in to see Gordon Walton and Todd Coleman about their game Crowfall. With recent patches adding multiple unique servers, the project seems to be on the cusp of persistence!

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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    edited December 2016
    Not normally a pvp guy, but Crowfall seems different. They understand the problems that come with the territory, and have plans in place to deal with them. That, and their interesting Lore/design integration makes this one to watch.
    Post edited by Arglebargle on

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • wesjrwesjr Member UncommonPosts: 506
    they have PVE servers as well
  • AlleinAllein Member RarePosts: 2,139

    wesjr said:

    they have PVE servers as well



    There will be player housing "servers," but not traditional PVE servers nor traditional PVE for that matter. Mobs provide more environmental danger than source of rewards.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    edited December 2016
    I'm relatively certain this game will be what it pitched it would be. Beyond that, it's anybody's guess. To clarify on the whole investment they're going on, you're investing in the Company itself and not the game. The game is what the company is producing. If they produce other games after a potential success, then you are also part "owner" of those games. This information can be found in their webinar tab on the Microventures site.

    I would, however, be wary of any investments; only put in what you're willing to lose. If there is any return, it likely won't be for many years down the road. This is especially true if they want to make more games from the profits instead of declaring dividends. Though it is one of the first games that have jumped through the hoops to allow non-accredited investors. Kind of history making. It's a rarity for gamers to actually hold shares in a game and say they're part owners.
    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Post this so called information on shares,i bet it is a scamaz big time.There are various forms of shares.

    $180 to get into a testing phase./sigh so if was a top quality subscription game that would be the equivalent of pay us up front for a full year of HQ finished gaming,this math does NOT add up to FAIR value.

    So i goto Crowfall site to look up these shares,i don't see anything,what i see are two headlines...

    1 IGN most anticipated of 2016
    2 MMORPG BEST of 2015 ..most anticipated,talk about a bit misleading "best of" i don't think so.

    Furthermore,at that point in time Crowfall had literally nothing of note to brag or showoff,so drawing conclusions at that point is laughable and loses credibility.

    Back to the IGN headline.So i go today to IGN ,click on upcoming PC games to loo kfor,guess what NO CROWFALL,so i click the "more games" icon and again NO Crowfall,guess they stopped giving IGN money to promote their game.I did not have the patience to click "load anotehr 50 games" because at that point i got the picture bright and clear,that so called MOST anticipated seemed to go to "who cares" in very short order.

    Bottom line is ,can we TRUST any website in the business of making money from game sponsors??Nope not one bit.This is why there is LAW against this sort of stuff,it is trying to deceive people and create an unfair market deceiving people into thinking only the sponsored games are good.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • zigalucardzigalucard Member UncommonPosts: 145

    Wizardry said:

    Post this so called information on shares,i bet it is a scamaz big time.There are various forms of shares.



    $180 to get into a testing phase./sigh so if was a top quality subscription game that would be the equivalent of pay us up front for a full year of HQ finished gaming,this math does NOT add up to FAIR value.



    So i goto Crowfall site to look up these shares,i don't see anything,what i see are two headlines...



    1 IGN most anticipated of 2016

    2 MMORPG BEST of 2015 ..most anticipated,talk about a bit misleading "best of" i don't think so.



    Furthermore,at that point in time Crowfall had literally nothing of note to brag or showoff,so drawing conclusions at that point is laughable and loses credibility.



    Back to the IGN headline.So i go today to IGN ,click on upcoming PC games to loo kfor,guess what NO CROWFALL,so i click the "more games" icon and again NO Crowfall,guess they stopped giving IGN money to promote their game.I did not have the patience to click "load anotehr 50 games" because at that point i got the picture bright and clear,that so called MOST anticipated seemed to go to "who cares" in very short order.



    Bottom line is ,can we TRUST any website in the business of making money from game sponsors??Nope not one bit.This is why there is LAW against this sort of stuff,it is trying to deceive people and create an unfair market deceiving people into thinking only the sponsored games are good.






    http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/02/01/9-most-anticipated-mmorpgs-of-2016

    It's on the list still.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    edited December 2016
    Wizardry said:
    Post this so called information on shares,i bet it is a scamaz big time.There are various forms of shares.

    https://app.microventures.com/crowdfunding/artcraft-entertainment?target=blank
    https://app.microventures.com/investment_docs/ba023db4152dbbb8d9c9c781be0f4e74e37aee1d

    "There are no mandatory dividends declared for this stock. While we may decide to use potential profits to pay a dividend, it is equally likely that we will instead use those profits to reinvest in the company drive company growth.

    The shares being offered are preferred shares, which means that you are buying a portion of the company's potential. The most likely scenario is that this potential could be realized through a liquidity event, such as an acquisition or an IPO (initial public offering)."

    "...or if we decide to pay a dividend, yes!

    While there is no guarantee, obviously, the most likely scenarios for "cashing in" (i.e. a liquidity event) are: dividends, initial public offering (IPO) or aquisition.

    Dividends are certainly possible, if our financials look great and we are in a position to pay them. The only reason we would be in that position and still elect NOT to pay dividends is: growth. If we feel like we can reinvest that money into the company to drive top-line growth (or profit margin), that might make more sense. The Board of Directors will make the decision of whether to pay dividends.

    IPO is a potential option, if (again) we have the financials and the traction to justify it.

    The most likely liquidity event in our space and for independent developers, however, is acquisition. It's not unreasonable to believe that, if our game is a hit, we will have any number of suitors that would be interested in acquiring ArtCraft.

    Obviously, we really don't know what the future will hold. The best indication of intent that I can give you is this: we are offering preferred stock, which gives you (and us, and our employees, and our previous investors) all in goal congruence. We only get a big financial "win", if you do!"

    There is a webinar on that page where you answer questions and go into detail.  Though the Form C is what you need to know as an investor.  On the times they wrote on this site, that cite and their official site, they have stated the risks and said most startups are not successful and to only invest if you can comfortably lose that money.
    ---------------
    $180 to get into a testing phase./sigh so if was a top quality subscription game that would be the equivalent of pay us up front for a full year of HQ finished gaming,this math does NOT add up to FAIR value.

    The 2017 Bundle is $69 and comes with Beta Test 1 (as well as the game, VIP month, bonus land, digital soundtrack and artbook, etc.) -- and if you look at the site information, it says what testers are in:

    " Currently Testing (Early Access) Groups: Pre-Alpha 1 & 2, Alpha 1, 2 & 3, Beta 1"  In big, bold letters on the store page where the package pricing is.  I'm not sure where you are getting $180 at the moment.  Old information?  Information that never existed?  People telling you without you doing research yourself?  I'd like to know.

    ---------------

    So i goto Crowfall site to look up these shares,i don't see anything,what i see are two headlines...

    1 IGN most anticipated of 2016
    2 MMORPG BEST of 2015 ..most anticipated,talk about a bit misleading "best of" i don't think so.

    Furthermore,at that point in time Crowfall had literally nothing of note to brag or showoff,so drawing conclusions at that point is laughable and loses credibility.

    Back to the IGN headline.So i go today to IGN ,click on upcoming PC games to loo kfor,guess what NO CROWFALL,so i click the "more games" icon and again NO Crowfall,guess they stopped giving IGN money to promote their game.I did not have the patience to click "load anotehr 50 games" because at that point i got the picture bright and clear,that so called MOST anticipated seemed to go to "who cares" in very short order.


    You can literally click on those "Awards" on their site, and it will take you to the sources.

    Since following up on things or actually doing research seems to be difficult, I'll provide it again:
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/02/01/9-most-anticipated-mmorpgs-of-2016?target=blank
    http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/feature/10383/page/1?target=blank

    I think you mentioned something about someone not having any credibility?

    Additionally, by the end of 2015 they had a significant amount of videos and information regarding Crowfall.  Kept on displaying new things at a quick pace.  Let us actually put our Historian's glasses on and do some more research and see for ourselves rather than just arguing or coming up with things in our heads:  http://www.crowfall.com/en/news/page/29/

    Work was already done for quite a while before their successful campaign, and the staff they presented are all veterans that have decades of experience.  My own research in the matter made this game the 5th one I've ever crowdfunded -- and I do thorough checks about claims and identities before risking money or reputations, unlike some people seem to do.

    Additionally, the whole "Best of" seemed to be the title of that year's rewards.  If you follow the link provided, you will see that it is a term MMORPG used to call the awards and the forum.




    Bottom line is ,can we TRUST any website in the business of making money from game sponsors??Nope not one bit. (Snip for length).


    We should always be wary of false information.  From sites, from businesses and from people who can't spend five minutes to research before trying to slander a game or group of people.  Luckily, the latter is easy to spot and combat with simple facts and sources.  Why the hatred towards the game?  Or the industry?  It isn't rational to conduct no research and to say things that were easily debunked as fallacy one after the other just by simply visiting the site a single time.

    This genuinely makes me a little sad.  I'm wondering if someone is using Wizard's account without asking, as there are inconsistencies with writing, grammar and general thought-processes when it comes to these things when compared to his past posts.  There was another post where he expresses distaste for the game, but it had logical general assessments regarding living worlds.  Of which Crowfall does have / have planned, including but not limited to Thralls being hired and or forced to work in your works, in buildings, etc.  As well as the world playing itself before going online, with civilizations rising up from nothing leaving ruins if they were destroyed.  It will be interesting if they can provide this experience as a whole.  Though these are less known features that do take a little time and interest to find out about.





    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558
    Wizardry said:
    Post this so called information on shares,i bet it is a scamaz big time.There are various forms of shares.

    $180 to get into a testing phase./sigh so if was a top quality subscription game that would be the equivalent of pay us up front for a full year of HQ finished gaming,this math does NOT add up to FAIR value.

    So i goto Crowfall site to look up these shares,i don't see anything,what i see are two headlines...

    1 IGN most anticipated of 2016
    2 MMORPG BEST of 2015 ..most anticipated,talk about a bit misleading "best of" i don't think so.

    Furthermore,at that point in time Crowfall had literally nothing of note to brag or showoff,so drawing conclusions at that point is laughable and loses credibility.

    Back to the IGN headline.So i go today to IGN ,click on upcoming PC games to loo kfor,guess what NO CROWFALL,so i click the "more games" icon and again NO Crowfall,guess they stopped giving IGN money to promote their game.I did not have the patience to click "load anotehr 50 games" because at that point i got the picture bright and clear,that so called MOST anticipated seemed to go to "who cares" in very short order.

    Bottom line is ,can we TRUST any website in the business of making money from game sponsors??Nope not one bit.This is why there is LAW against this sort of stuff,it is trying to deceive people and create an unfair market deceiving people into thinking only the sponsored games are good.


    Oh look , the blah blah blah man is back online. Please go outside and take a deep breath.
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  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Arglebargle said:
    Not normally a pvp guy, but Crowfall seems different. They understand the problems that come with the territory, and have plans in place to deal with them. That, and their interesting Lore/design integration makes this one to watch.
    Completely agree.  I'm more of an industrial guy myself.  Mostly because I'm really busy and don't have time to be good at PvP.  Plus, I'm getting a little older and the fast-paced life of a player-killer just isn't as in reach of my abilities as it once was.  lol

    I think CF gets how important context is to PvP, though.  They're creating a bunch of micro resource wars, and that gives the PvP meaning.  Like null-sec does in EVE.  It's just ganking for the hell of it, it's ganking with a purpose.  That makes it way more interesting, imho.
  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Wizardry said:
    Post this so called information on shares,i bet it is a scamaz big time.There are various forms of shares.

    $180 to get into a testing phase./sigh so if was a top quality subscription game that would be the equivalent of pay us up front for a full year of HQ finished gaming,this math does NOT add up to FAIR value.

    So i goto Crowfall site to look up these shares,i don't see anything,what i see are two headlines...

    1 IGN most anticipated of 2016
    2 MMORPG BEST of 2015 ..most anticipated,talk about a bit misleading "best of" i don't think so.

    Furthermore,at that point in time Crowfall had literally nothing of note to brag or showoff,so drawing conclusions at that point is laughable and loses credibility.

    Back to the IGN headline.So i go today to IGN ,click on upcoming PC games to loo kfor,guess what NO CROWFALL,so i click the "more games" icon and again NO Crowfall,guess they stopped giving IGN money to promote their game.I did not have the patience to click "load anotehr 50 games" because at that point i got the picture bright and clear,that so called MOST anticipated seemed to go to "who cares" in very short order.

    Bottom line is ,can we TRUST any website in the business of making money from game sponsors??Nope not one bit.This is why there is LAW against this sort of stuff,it is trying to deceive people and create an unfair market deceiving people into thinking only the sponsored games are good.

    I did post about the funding, and even linked it in the article.  Second to last paragraph.  I would not ever encourage anyone to invest in equity crowdfunding as an actual investment.  Equity investments are insanely risky, though payouts tend to be huge for the few that survive.  They are not scams, though.

    The reason you're not seeing much on it is because the FTC puts incredibly strict regulations on Title III raises.

    It's not some great conspiracy.  You just don't know what you're talking about.
  • waynejr2waynejr2 Member EpicPosts: 7,771
    I wonder if any of the people who make statements like "I don't want to work in my mmorpg" are loving these tools...
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  • ArchlyteArchlyte Member RarePosts: 1,405
    Are there ex-Blizzard employees making this? Because those graphics are not pleasing to me.
    MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794


    Red_Thomas said:


    Arglebargle said:

    Not normally a pvp guy, but Crowfall seems different. They understand the problems that come with the territory, and have plans in place to deal with them. That, and their interesting Lore/design integration makes this one to watch.


    Completely agree.  I'm more of an industrial guy myself.  Mostly because I'm really busy and don't have time to be good at PvP.  Plus, I'm getting a little older and the fast-paced life of a player-killer just isn't as in reach of my abilities as it once was.  lol

    I think CF gets how important context is to PvP, though.  They're creating a bunch of micro resource wars, and that gives the PvP meaning.  Like null-sec does in EVE.  It's just ganking for the hell of it, it's ganking with a purpose.  That makes it way more interesting, imho.



    Maybe I misunderstood this but "ganking" for any reason does not have context in my opinion. It is the "gankers" that have driven me away from any pvp based MMO. CF may be providing a backdrop that seems to explain ganking or justify it but ganking is still just ganking. I will try to keep an open mind on this and watch CF accordingly. I was intrigued by a lot CF has to offer but I am still concerned for the way pvp (and lackluster pve) will come together.

    Let's party like it is 1863!

  • Arkade99Arkade99 Member RarePosts: 538

    Gruug said:





    Red_Thomas said:




    Arglebargle said:


    Not normally a pvp guy, but Crowfall seems different. They understand the problems that come with the territory, and have plans in place to deal with them. That, and their interesting Lore/design integration makes this one to watch.




    Completely agree.  I'm more of an industrial guy myself.  Mostly because I'm really busy and don't have time to be good at PvP.  Plus, I'm getting a little older and the fast-paced life of a player-killer just isn't as in reach of my abilities as it once was.  lol

    I think CF gets how important context is to PvP, though.  They're creating a bunch of micro resource wars, and that gives the PvP meaning.  Like null-sec does in EVE.  It's just ganking for the hell of it, it's ganking with a purpose.  That makes it way more interesting, imho.






    Maybe I misunderstood this but "ganking" for any reason does not have context in my opinion. It is the "gankers" that have driven me away from any pvp based MMO. CF may be providing a backdrop that seems to explain ganking or justify it but ganking is still just ganking. I will try to keep an open mind on this and watch CF accordingly. I was intrigued by a lot CF has to offer but I am still concerned for the way pvp (and lackluster pve) will come together.



    How do you define ganking? Obviously in a PvP game, players are going to kill other players, so what makes a kill a gank rather than just a kill? Is it someone engaging you in non-consentual PvP?

    In CF, there will be no leveling. Players won't be grinding mobs for XP. There are also no safe zones in the campaign worlds but the ones the players make for themselves, and even those can be torn down. Players will be divided into different groups based on the ruleset of the campaign they join, whether it be factions or guild based or whatever. Anyone not in your group is an enemy and someone you are competing against to win the campaign. If you are out collecting resources solo and my group of 5 people rolls up, kills you and takes your stuff, is that ganking? You are the enemy. You chose to go out harvesting alone. That means you have to accept the risk that comes with that.

    From your perspective, that's probably a gank. It's 5 against 1. You have no chance. Yet if we let you go, you can take those resources back to your side and use them to craft weapons to use against us. So where do you draw the line?

    Nearly everything you do within a campaign will be part of trying to win the campaign, whether that is fighting, harvesting food/wood/ore/body parts, transporting resources, crafting, hunting for thralls, building defenses, killing mobs to skin, hunting for vessels or whatever. What exactly is a gank in a game that is entirely built around player vs player competition? You give consent to PvP just by joining a campaign.
  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    Gruug said:


    Red_Thomas said:


    Arglebargle said:

    Not normally a pvp guy, but Crowfall seems different. They understand the problems that come with the territory, and have plans in place to deal with them. That, and their interesting Lore/design integration makes this one to watch.


    Completely agree.  I'm more of an industrial guy myself.  Mostly because I'm really busy and don't have time to be good at PvP.  Plus, I'm getting a little older and the fast-paced life of a player-killer just isn't as in reach of my abilities as it once was.  lol

    I think CF gets how important context is to PvP, though.  They're creating a bunch of micro resource wars, and that gives the PvP meaning.  Like null-sec does in EVE.  It's just ganking for the hell of it, it's ganking with a purpose.  That makes it way more interesting, imho.



    Maybe I misunderstood this but "ganking" for any reason does not have context in my opinion. It is the "gankers" that have driven me away from any pvp based MMO. CF may be providing a backdrop that seems to explain ganking or justify it but ganking is still just ganking. I will try to keep an open mind on this and watch CF accordingly. I was intrigued by a lot CF has to offer but I am still concerned for the way pvp (and lackluster pve) will come together.
    @Gruug to add to what @Arkade99 said, being alone (without party/guild) is not the way to play Crowfall. You can also soften it a bit by playing only Campaigns with, say, 3 factions (like ESO, DAoC) and no corpse loot.
     W...aaagh?
  • Red_ThomasRed_Thomas Member RarePosts: 666
    Gruug said:

    Maybe I misunderstood this but "ganking" for any reason does not have context in my opinion. It is the "gankers" that have driven me away from any pvp based MMO. CF may be providing a backdrop that seems to explain ganking or justify it but ganking is still just ganking. I will try to keep an open mind on this and watch CF accordingly. I was intrigued by a lot CF has to offer but I am still concerned for the way pvp (and lackluster pve) will come together.
    There's nothing wrong with that.  PvP isn't for everyone, and it's a perfectly legitimate position to not be a fan.

    I realize the idea people can have a difference of opinion or differing priorities is kind of unheard of in today's hyper-political world, but it honestly is fine to not be a big fan of playing against players.  =)  Personally, I prefer it because there's more of a challenge and bigger sense of reward from overcoming a human opponent than beating an AI.

    Like @JamesGoblin said, it is easier if you're with a group, though.  If you haven't done PvP as part of a larger organization before, you really should give it a shot.
  • nethervoidnethervoid Member UncommonPosts: 533
    Hopefully they get the PvP <-> Industry thing right like Eve and UO did. When you fight, you're putting assets on the line. You either win more assets or lose your assets. Then the industry dude makes and sells more assets due to the war.

    The only problem nobody has been able to really solve is what does the industry guy spend his money on? The industry guy doesn't have a natural cash sink like the PvP guy.

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  • GruugGruug Member RarePosts: 1,794
    This is sort of a blanket response to those that post in response to my previous. I have pvp'ed in the past in groups. Have even done well with it. However, I have always approached pvp as many of you have said...winning the "campaign". Unfortunately, I have also seen and been a unfortunate victim of those that may just group up and say "let's go out and just kill some players". To me, that has nothing to do with winning a campaign but is more akin to gangs going about doing drive-bye shootings...but without the potential consequences.

    In the example mentioned a few posts back where some group of 5 meets a solo player out gathering resources it is said the single player is fair game. Maybe I do not understand the way this is to work but in CF are all single players automatically enemy? And, are there no neutral players ever that do not take sides? To me, a system that does not allow for the non-aligned players makes any killing of single players just murder in the name of the "winning".  Unfortunately, no MMO including CF seems to account for the non-aligned players nor sets up consequences for just murdering those wishing to stay non-aligned.

    I am all for meaningful pvp. I am just not for ganking with excuses and no sense of what would or could happen even in real life. 

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  • khameleonkhameleon Member UncommonPosts: 486

    Gruug said:

    This is sort of a blanket response to those that post in response to my previous. I have pvp'ed in the past in groups. Have even done well with it. However, I have always approached pvp as many of you have said...winning the "campaign". Unfortunately, I have also seen and been a unfortunate victim of those that may just group up and say "let's go out and just kill some players". To me, that has nothing to do with winning a campaign but is more akin to gangs going about doing drive-bye shootings...but without the potential consequences.

    In the example mentioned a few posts back where some group of 5 meets a solo player out gathering resources it is said the single player is fair game. Maybe I do not understand the way this is to work but in CF are all single players automatically enemy? And, are there no neutral players ever that do not take sides? To me, a system that does not allow for the non-aligned players makes any killing of single players just murder in the name of the "winning".  Unfortunately, no MMO including CF seems to account for the non-aligned players nor sets up consequences for just murdering those wishing to stay non-aligned.

    I am all for meaningful pvp. I am just not for ganking with excuses and no sense of what would or could happen even in real life. 



    In real life, the settlers killed all the Indians and took their land... that is why you are here able to post this. In real life when territory is up for control or war is going on between factions/countries, they kill for any reason.

    My problem with this game is the entry price right now is ridiculous. They want us to pay $180 or something to beta test their game? No way....

    GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!

  • JamesGoblinJamesGoblin Member RarePosts: 1,242
    khameleon said:
    <snippety snip>
    My problem with this game is the entry price right now is ridiculous. They want us to pay $180 or something to beta test their game? No way....
    Actually, you're getting pre-alpha test access as one of many things for $70, it'll go down to $45-50 rather soon, and they should have open beta = free tests sometime this year.
     W...aaagh?
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