These are indeed 5 features that look interesting. However, I'd love to know more about the combat. What I've seen in the videos thus far looks amazingly boring. I'm not a FPS gamer these days but I don't think we need to go the full 180 to get away from that. If the launch version of combat isn't considerably more exciting, I doubt people will stay. Any combat where characters are regularly checking out to go sit down to recover mana (or whatever) just isn't going to be invigorating... it's more like the snoozefest those characters are "roleplaying."
These are indeed 5 features that look interesting. However, I'd love to know more about the combat. What I've seen in the videos thus far looks amazingly boring. I'm not a FPS gamer these days but I don't think we need to go the full 180 to get away from that. If the launch version of combat isn't considerably more exciting, I doubt people will stay. Any combat where characters are regularly checking out to go sit down to recover mana (or whatever) just isn't going to be invigorating... it's more like the snoozefest those characters are "roleplaying."
Learning how to manage or mitigate downtime between fights is actually a core design of old school games and I'd be surprised if they decided to do away with it.
Besides giving the player and group something to work on improving it allows for dependencies between classes.
In DAOC my Mentalist is sought after for his mana regen to get the casters back into the fight more quickly. (also a secondary healer for when things go bad)
Bards are sought for speed to the fight, endurance regen for the melee and sprinting. (they also do baseline buffs and healing)
Wardens have a pulsing bladeturn which is a lifesaver for cloth wearers in both PVE and RVR. They can heal or even off tank.
Melee classes taunt of course, some can put shield block or protect on healers or casters, preventing one shot deaths.
All this interdependence which has to be recast or adjusted between fights keeps everyone very busy.
Heck, sometimes we even have time to chat.
Might not be your style of combat or gameplay, but some of us are looking forward to a new MMO which provides this experience again.
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The underlying tie for all of these features is they encourage player reliance, interaction, and interdependence.
This may just turn out to be the most social virtual world created in quite some time.
This is the greatest draw for me to follow this title.
May be. The most interesting part of the social experiment to me is if the community will behave in a way that supports that.
I wish them a small dedicated community so they have a chance.
While I have no illusions about the nobility of the modern gamer, I'm hoping "enlighted self-interest" will encourage a more social environment.
Even that works best with like-minded small audiences. Haven't we all seen what mainstream success does to MMOs? Aren't you current experiencing a DAoC revival in a small community?
My holy grail of MMO gaming is to play with just that type of dedicated niche gamers... ah the good 'ole days
Might surprise you to know my new "small" community had 4500 logged in one server.
A truly amazing experience as back in the game's heyday the most populated live servers topped out at 2500.
Imagine Darkness falls with like 700 in it...epic battles raged there and in the frontiers.
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In Pantheon, there often won't simply be a weapon or piece of gear
that is the absolute best item for your character’s class and level.
Instead, many items will
be more situational, and the player will need to ask himself, 'where
am I?', 'what am I going to fight next?', and 'who in my group is what
class, and what items do they have that may help defeat the next
encounter?' Items that protect against climates/atmospheres (areas of
extreme heat or cold, or disease, or absolute darkness) will often be
important. So also will 'bane' items that are especially effective
against certain types of mobs (for example, the Undead, or Dragonkind)."
The underlying tie for all of these features is they encourage player reliance, interaction, and interdependence.
This may just turn out to be the most social virtual world created in quite some time.
This is the greatest draw for me to follow this title.
May be. The most interesting part of the social experiment to me is if the community will behave in a way that supports that.
I wish them a small dedicated community so they have a chance.
While I have no illusions about the nobility of the modern gamer, I'm hoping "enlighted self-interest" will encourage a more social environment.
Even that works best with like-minded small audiences. Haven't we all seen what mainstream success does to MMOs? Aren't you current experiencing a DAoC revival in a small community?
My holy grail of MMO gaming is to play with just that type of dedicated niche gamers... ah the good 'ole days
Might surprise you to know my new "small" community had 4500 logged in one server.
A truly amazing experience as back in the game's heyday the most populated live servers topped out at 2500.
Imagine Darkness falls with like 700 in it...epic battles raged there and in the frontiers.
Tempted...
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I don't know what the rules are for kickstarter but I bet if they had another one they would actually get the funding they wanted now that they actually have something to show.
Just a suggestion regarding your crowdfunding/pledges. I feel the $50 Watchers package would be more desirable and give people an incentive to pledge if it included beta access. I would also suggest a single game pledge package in the middle of the $50 and $100 package; not everyone needs two copies of the game.
The underlying tie for all of these features is they encourage player reliance, interaction, and interdependence.
This may just turn out to be the most social virtual world created in quite some time.
This is the greatest draw for me to follow this title.
May be. The most interesting part of the social experiment to me is if the community will behave in a way that supports that.
I wish them a small dedicated community so they have a chance.
While I have no illusions about the nobility of the modern gamer, I'm hoping "enlighted self-interest" will encourage a more social environment.
Even that works best with like-minded small audiences. Haven't we all seen what mainstream success does to MMOs? Aren't you current experiencing a DAoC revival in a small community?
My holy grail of MMO gaming is to play with just that type of dedicated niche gamers... ah the good 'ole days
Number 3 - bringing back a reliance on other classes in the holy trinity (or quaternity in this case) without LFG system and thus promoting socialisation is really what I am looking forward to.
This MMO has more promise then any game in development IMO. I think their only downfall will be holding on to old game systems like heavy death penalty over taking time to think how they could make it have a modern twist while keeping the fear of death high. Keeping old systems just because thats how it was with EQ1 in its glory days, without asking how we could make it better IMO will just drive off customers, even the ones that think this is what they want.
Honestly in my experience and personal opinion (dating back to original EQ, WoW, vanguard etc), the fear of death/constant respect of your surroundings is what makes your heart beat faster/ adrenaline start pumping not only during fights but things deemed "trivial" in other MMOs such as traveling. The strength of the world and the constant caution/varying aggro ranges based on level, factions, race, night/day time, just makes the world come alive and gives things more consequence. Every other game dying is simply a task (I.e. Run in ghost form back to your corpse, which is literally just a repetitive time task that we end up hating). EQ style, it adds so much, from neceomancers having a market to do corpse runs, to simply really taking your time and getting that full risk vs reward factor and actual thrill of victory when you defeat something. Actually friending people becausw they're skilled, not just to fill out groups because everyone is competent enough to press 1,2,3,4, cyclically etc. just my 2 cents
I couldn't agree more with @Zuldan1. This is exactly the way I feel about it. I honestly can't see what else they could possibly come up with that would truly keep that fear/respect of death, and the sense of adventure. As frustrating as it can be at times, it adds much more, to the atmosphere of the game, than it takes away, imho. I hope that they put it all in.
I'll save any excitement for this game until after it: 1 releases (if it does, and in decent shape), and 2. is good. Underfunded, indie MMO efforts as of late have had a terrible record lately of either, the list of those is long.
And there is NO WAY these people will go back for more "crowdfunding". They can't without opening up the giant can of works about what happened to the last $140k+ of crowdfunding cash the last time they did (and McQuaid pocketing at least $45k of it for personal expenses which he apologized for doing), and that is something they desperately do not want to do. They do not want to bring up the question of what they "owe" those "donors", either.
My god. At 2 hours into that youtube video there are 4 people just standing there. Literally just standing there while the 2 melee keep hacking away. How can anyone say that sounds fun?
My god. At 2 hours into that youtube video there are 4 people just standing there. Literally just standing there while the 2 melee keep hacking away. How can anyone say that sounds fun?
if you watched a 2 hr video of someone else playing a game, you should have no issue just standing there.
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Ideas and visions are great but everything depends on execution, the details and hands on feeling. For me there are ideas I absolutely love about Pantheon (like no 4 on the list, perception system, and others) and then other mechanics that I feel should be improved on (quality of life, reducing time vasting that has no purpose), and some I just plain dislike (p1999 mentality, stubbornly holding on to specific mechanics that are obviously not fun).
Can't have the perfect game, but these days any game with a little depth that isn't corrupted with f2p(lague) shop have a huge lead on just that alone. Also Pantheon is the only serious game in 10 years that is PvE focused and not story driven (afaik).
The name Pantheon, made me think this was a Roman mythology game. After the last one I had no interest in that genre. I knew Brad and others were involved so I felt it would do well. But I didn't know the meat and potatoes of the game. After this list, I still don't. I'm not here to talk about what I learn from the P:RotF web site, only what I take from this article.
5. Playing with Friends
I take it this is not a solo friendly game. Clearly there are no single pulls, 3+ mob pulls seem to be the norm. Group balancing, in whatever form a game takes it, seems to be the way things are going for MMO and multiplayer. At some point in time friends or guilds will be at ±20 levels (ie. 7, 27, 47). There has to be a "Mentoring System" that brings everyone down or up to the same level.
Personally I don't want to see 9 level 1 players, their first day in the game, teamed up with a Max level "Mentor" doing end game content. I rather see mentor time earned and banked by having the Higher level friend "Mentored" at the lower level. Each higher level player will earn a scaled fraction of their time to "Mentor" up a lower character. I also think the the up "Mentoring" would be locked to levels 10+, and a max up "Mentor" of +20 levels.
I see some problems with this system, but I would still try it out and test it. Playing with friends and groups should be encouraged and supported in MMOs. The number of players that make it to end game content is typically less than 20%. IMO, if the number of end game players was closer to 90% or more, then the need for gold sells would diminish or end. Everyone would be playing at the "more cash then I know what to do with" levels of game play.
4. Your Character Will Learn the Land
Not sure what this means. Are you saying there are no maps in game? I assure you that eventually some site will be hosting a player made map, with POIs and Resources IDed. Once again Bartle tells us that there are four types of MMO players. Only one type is an Explorer, and only a few are Explorer hybrids. I'm an Achiever Hybrid with a fraction of Explorer. My father was a Professional Land Surveyor, and I have been collecting and using maps since the early 70's. But a large percentage of players will not be able to "Learn the Land."
But Garrett use words like praying to learn information, sense types of mana, and exploring the world. These words lead me to believe that the player will be clearing a fog of war from a map. WIth the help of a well rounded group the will travel to many locations of added prayed and sensed information to their maps. This gives me a feel of "Magic: The Gathering."
3. A Variety of Races and Classes That Complement Each Other
This sounds self evident, but I could be wrong. All I will say is that i am a fan of a large and diverse class system.
2. Abilities as Loot
The thing that put a sour taste in my mouth, is the exclusive talk of magic user abilities being lootable items. Why not every class. So every class has three mid level skills. Each with a cap distribution of 5%. Meaning only 5% of a class will ever have this skill. Then the same with three high level skills.
1. The Mana and Land System
I just hope this is not a Magic user only thing. Share the "Joy" with the Melee and Ranged class along the way. Again I'm thinking "Magic: The Gathering."
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Konfess your cyns and some maybe forgiven Boy: Why can't I talk to Him? Mom: We don't talk to Priests. As if it could exist, without being payed for. F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing. Even telemarketers wouldn't think that. It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
4.11 Can I play with my friend’s new character using my high-level character? What about alts?
Yes, through the Mentor System. Mentoring temporarily de-levels your character and allows you to group with them. You will either scale down or assume the character you were at that lower level (TBD) and be a huge help. This will enable players to group together without one being overpowered and content trivialized.
The Mentor System is voluntary although there will be incentives to mentor, giving your character certain advantages (points, recognition, and other rewards – the details are TBD). We want to encourage people to help new players. Additionally, there will be incentives to create alternate characters through the Progeny System (where when you reach a certain level you can create an alternate level one character who will have some advantages over a brand-new character).
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-------------------------------------------------------------- Brad McQuaid CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc. www.pantheonmmo.com --------------------------------------------------------------
This can be key to opening players up to true community play. There were a lot of players like this in SWG from the start. There were a number of them who used to hang around, seeking out newbs, giving them starter gear, credits, etc.. As well as offering tips on how to play. First impressions mean a lot after all.
I was greeted by a player like that myself in SWG; coming from DAOC it was a stark contrast to the type of community I'd left behind.
SWG and EQOA were the only games I've ever experienced that in. Both of which I was strongly into community play.
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4.11 Can I play with my friend’s new character using my high-level character? What about alts?
Yes, through the Mentor System. Mentoring temporarily de-levels your character and allows you to group with them. You will either scale down or assume the character you were at that lower level (TBD) and be a huge help. This will enable players to group together without one being overpowered and content trivialized.
The Mentor System is voluntary although there will be incentives to mentor, giving your character certain advantages (points, recognition, and other rewards – the details are TBD). We want to encourage people to help new players. Additionally, there will be incentives to create alternate characters through the Progeny System (where when you reach a certain level you can create an alternate level one character who will have some advantages over a brand-new character).
My question about that is, will it be as extreme as FFXI/XIV when you scale down and grey out your higher level abilities or will it be like Rift/GW2 where you keep all your abilities but they are just scaled down in terms of damage?
This MMO has more promise then any game in development IMO. I think their only downfall will be holding on to old game systems like heavy death penalty over taking time to think how they could make it have a modern twist while keeping the fear of death high. Keeping old systems just because thats how it was with EQ1 in its glory days, without asking how we could make it better IMO will just drive off customers, even the ones that think this is what they want.
You had your chance with that mess that was EQ next. I remember you spouting on about the same thing and happy because they were leaving the old EQ concept behind.
Well these devs are not so you can go with it or go find another EQ next. Plenty of people will play this game with the thought of mmo's going back to there routes and will have no problem with the death penalty if it is similar to EQ.
Unlike your EQ next which didn't deserve the name title of 'EQ' this game wont crash and burn.
The underlying tie for all of these features is they encourage player reliance, interaction, and interdependence.
This may just turn out to be the most social virtual world created in quite some time.
This is the greatest draw for me to follow this title.
May be. The most interesting part of the social experiment to me is if the community will behave in a way that supports that.
I wish them a small dedicated community so they have a chance.
While I have no illusions about the nobility of the modern gamer, I'm hoping "enlighted self-interest" will encourage a more social environment.
Bring on the assclowns lol. In EQ on the Karana server we had a rogue guild form so they could try to break the long standing system we had in place for making sure all guilds got a shot at certain raid targets and that it wasn't just farmed out by the top guilds.
The server banded together and made sure the rogue guild was denied almost every raid possible and their guildmembers were blacklisted from the community. Was fun seeing everyone come together for a common goal and you knew you had a great community when guild feuds were put aside to deal with a server problem.
I actually really like the sound of most of that stuff. However, the one that stood out as a red flag was the thing about "abilities as loot". Learn your high level skills by killing boss mobs...blah, blah, blah. Yeah,...to me that once again screams out RAID OR QUIT.
I really should never even read about this game because I love the sound of what the early game will be but I absolutely despise what I know the end game will be. All the adventure, the small groups of friends, the exploration,...all the fun...will be swept aside after a couple of months and replaced with a god awful, poopsocking, just-another-face-in-the-crowd, raiding endgame.
I actually really like the sound of most of that stuff. However, the one that stood out as a red flag was the thing about "abilities as loot". Learn your high level skills by killing boss mobs...blah, blah, blah. Yeah,...to me that once again screams out RAID OR QUIT.
I really should never even read about this game because I love the sound of what the early game will be but I absolutely despise what I know the end game will be. All the adventure, the small groups of friends, the exploration,...all the fun...will be swept aside after a couple of months and replaced with a god awful, poopsocking, just-another-face-in-the-crowd, raiding endgame.
It's just so depressing.
Depends whether they mean raid boss mobs or just boss mobs in general. I learnt some skills of boss/named mobs in Vanguard so i wouldn't neg out on that. Some I soled and some were just group dungeon boss mobs.
The underlying tie for all of these features is they encourage player reliance, interaction, and interdependence.
This may just turn out to be the most social virtual world created in quite some time.
This is the greatest draw for me to follow this title.
May be. The most interesting part of the social experiment to me is if the community will behave in a way that supports that.
I wish them a small dedicated community so they have a chance.
While I have no illusions about the nobility of the modern gamer, I'm hoping "enlighted self-interest" will encourage a more social environment.
Bring on the assclowns lol. In EQ on the Karana server we had a rogue guild form so they could try to break the long standing system we had in place for making sure all guilds got a shot at certain raid targets and that it wasn't just farmed out by the top guilds.
The server banded together and made sure the rogue guild was denied almost every raid possible and their guildmembers were blacklisted from the community. Was fun seeing everyone come together for a common goal and you knew you had a great community when guild feuds were put aside to deal with a server problem.
When I read what you described; the rogue guild come across as heroes by trying to break the monopoly of the top raiding guilds, whilst the reaction of the server community or top guilds come across as assclowns because someone had the nerve to try and take their toys away.
I'm sorry if I read this wrong; it's just your description puts (IMO) the server in a bad light, not the rogue guild.
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Besides giving the player and group something to work on improving it allows for dependencies between classes.
In DAOC my Mentalist is sought after for his mana regen to get the casters back into the fight more quickly. (also a secondary healer for when things go bad)
Bards are sought for speed to the fight, endurance regen for the melee and sprinting. (they also do baseline buffs and healing)
Wardens have a pulsing bladeturn which is a lifesaver for cloth wearers in both PVE and RVR. They can heal or even off tank.
Melee classes taunt of course, some can put shield block or protect on healers or casters, preventing one shot deaths.
All this interdependence which has to be recast or adjusted between fights keeps everyone very busy.
Heck, sometimes we even have time to chat.
Might not be your style of combat or gameplay, but some of us are looking forward to a new MMO which provides this experience again.
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A truly amazing experience as back in the game's heyday the most populated live servers topped out at 2500.
Imagine Darkness falls with like 700 in it...epic battles raged there and in the frontiers.
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"Situational Gear
In Pantheon, there often won't simply be a weapon or piece of gear that is the absolute best item for your character’s class and level. Instead, many items will be more situational, and the player will need to ask himself, 'where am I?', 'what am I going to fight next?', and 'who in my group is what class, and what items do they have that may help defeat the next encounter?' Items that protect against climates/atmospheres (areas of extreme heat or cold, or disease, or absolute darkness) will often be important. So also will 'bane' items that are especially effective against certain types of mobs (for example, the Undead, or Dragonkind)."This turned me on! HORIZONTAL PROGRESSION BABY!!!
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Just a suggestion regarding your crowdfunding/pledges. I feel the $50 Watchers package would be more desirable and give people an incentive to pledge if it included beta access. I would also suggest a single game pledge package in the middle of the $50 and $100 package; not everyone needs two copies of the game.
DAoC still exists.
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I couldn't agree more with @Zuldan1. This is exactly the way I feel about it. I honestly can't see what else they could possibly come up with that would truly keep that fear/respect of death, and the sense of adventure. As frustrating as it can be at times, it adds much more, to the atmosphere of the game, than it takes away, imho. I hope that they put it all in.
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Can't have the perfect game, but these days any game with a little depth that isn't corrupted with f2p(lague) shop have a huge lead on just that alone. Also Pantheon is the only serious game in 10 years that is PvE focused and not story driven (afaik).
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5. Playing with Friends
I take it this is not a solo friendly game. Clearly there are no single pulls, 3+ mob pulls seem to be the norm. Group balancing, in whatever form a game takes it, seems to be the way things are going for MMO and multiplayer. At some point in time friends or guilds will be at ±20 levels (ie. 7, 27, 47). There has to be a "Mentoring System" that brings everyone down or up to the same level.
Personally I don't want to see 9 level 1 players, their first day in the game, teamed up with a Max level "Mentor" doing end game content. I rather see mentor time earned and banked by having the Higher level friend "Mentored" at the lower level. Each higher level player will earn a scaled fraction of their time to "Mentor" up a lower character. I also think the the up "Mentoring" would be locked to levels 10+, and a max up "Mentor" of +20 levels.
I see some problems with this system, but I would still try it out and test it. Playing with friends and groups should be encouraged and supported in MMOs. The number of players that make it to end game content is typically less than 20%. IMO, if the number of end game players was closer to 90% or more, then the need for gold sells would diminish or end. Everyone would be playing at the "more cash then I know what to do with" levels of game play.
4. Your Character Will Learn the Land
Not sure what this means. Are you saying there are no maps in game? I assure you that eventually some site will be hosting a player made map, with POIs and Resources IDed. Once again Bartle tells us that there are four types of MMO players. Only one type is an Explorer, and only a few are Explorer hybrids. I'm an Achiever Hybrid with a fraction of Explorer. My father was a Professional Land Surveyor, and I have been collecting and using maps since the early 70's. But a large percentage of players will not be able to "Learn the Land."
But Garrett use words like praying to learn information, sense types of mana, and exploring the world. These words lead me to believe that the player will be clearing a fog of war from a map. WIth the help of a well rounded group the will travel to many locations of added prayed and sensed information to their maps. This gives me a feel of "Magic: The Gathering."
3. A Variety of Races and Classes That Complement Each Other
This sounds self evident, but I could be wrong. All I will say is that i am a fan of a large and diverse class system.
2. Abilities as Loot
The thing that put a sour taste in my mouth, is the exclusive talk of magic user abilities being lootable items. Why not every class. So every class has three mid level skills. Each with a cap distribution of 5%. Meaning only 5% of a class will ever have this skill. Then the same with three high level skills.
1. The Mana and Land System
I just hope this is not a Magic user only thing. Share the "Joy" with the Melee and Ranged class along the way. Again I'm thinking "Magic: The Gathering."
Boy: Why can't I talk to Him?
Mom: We don't talk to Priests.
As if it could exist, without being payed for.
F2P means you get what you paid for. Pay nothing, get nothing.
Even telemarketers wouldn't think that.
It costs money to play. Therefore P2W.
4.11 Can I play with my friend’s new character using my high-level character? What about alts?
Yes, through the Mentor System. Mentoring temporarily de-levels your character and allows you to group with them. You will either scale down or assume the character you were at that lower level (TBD) and be a huge help. This will enable players to group together without one being overpowered and content trivialized.
The Mentor System is voluntary although there will be incentives to mentor, giving your character certain advantages (points, recognition, and other rewards – the details are TBD). We want to encourage people to help new players. Additionally, there will be incentives to create alternate characters through the Progeny System (where when you reach a certain level you can create an alternate level one character who will have some advantages over a brand-new character).
--
--------------------------------------------------------------
Brad McQuaid
CCO, Visionary Realms, Inc.
www.pantheonmmo.com
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I was greeted by a player like that myself in SWG; coming from DAOC it was a stark contrast to the type of community I'd left behind.
SWG and EQOA were the only games I've ever experienced that in. Both of which I was strongly into community play.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
You had your chance with that mess that was EQ next. I remember you spouting on about the same thing and happy because they were leaving the old EQ concept behind.
Well these devs are not so you can go with it or go find another EQ next. Plenty of people will play this game with the thought of mmo's going back to there routes and will have no problem with the death penalty if it is similar to EQ.
Unlike your EQ next which didn't deserve the name title of 'EQ' this game wont crash and burn.
Bring on the assclowns lol. In EQ on the Karana server we had a rogue guild form so they could try to break the long standing system we had in place for making sure all guilds got a shot at certain raid targets and that it wasn't just farmed out by the top guilds.
The server banded together and made sure the rogue guild was denied almost every raid possible and their guildmembers were blacklisted from the community. Was fun seeing everyone come together for a common goal and you knew you had a great community when guild feuds were put aside to deal with a server problem.
I actually really like the sound of most of that stuff. However, the one that stood out as a red flag was the thing about "abilities as loot". Learn your high level skills by killing boss mobs...blah, blah, blah. Yeah,...to me that once again screams out RAID OR QUIT.
I really should never even read about this game because I love the sound of what the early game will be but I absolutely despise what I know the end game will be. All the adventure, the small groups of friends, the exploration,...all the fun...will be swept aside after a couple of months and replaced with a god awful, poopsocking, just-another-face-in-the-crowd, raiding endgame.
It's just so depressing.
Depends whether they mean raid boss mobs or just boss mobs in general. I learnt some skills of boss/named mobs in Vanguard so i wouldn't neg out on that. Some I soled and some were just group dungeon boss mobs.
No problem at all.
I'm sorry if I read this wrong; it's just your description puts (IMO) the server in a bad light, not the rogue guild.