The Players Have Spoken - ESO Takes Home Best MMO 2016 - Elder Scrolls Online - MMORPG.com

SBFord · February 2017

The Players Have Spoken - ESO Takes Home Best MMO 2016 - Elder Scrolls Online - MMORPG.com

Elder Scrolls Online News - After the conclusion of our Player's Choice Award for Best Overall MMO of 2016, the results are in. Elder Scrolls Online has taken the top spot with nearly one-third of the overall vote. Second place was taken by World of Warcraft, third by Black Desert Online.

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Alverant · February 2017

Congrats to the winner. I hope it continues to grow and give the players what they want from a game.

kitarad · February 2017

Congrats ESO.

Mikeha · February 2017

Final Fantasy XIV

yonpachi · February 2017

Too bad I've retired from ESO due to that RNG boxes shits.

Overpriced badly designed Elk Mount (it seems to sold very well so I can only imagine they going to release the recolor version of course with +500 More Expensive price).
A simple motif that cost more than DLC packs.

What else? I guess I'm just very very sad. I love ESO, but RNG loot boxes is the most thing I hate in MMORPG.

Thebeasttt · February 2017

Glad FFXIV is being exposed for the obvious WoW clone it is.

Megilindir · February 2017

yonpachi said:

What else? I guess I'm just very very sad. I love ESO, but RNG loot boxes is the most thing I hate in MMORPG.

I never bought them even do not know if they exist in the game. Completely ignoring them changed nothing in my gameplay.
You should inherit the same point of view for nowadays its all about RNG and boxes everywhere.

yonpachi · February 2017

Megilindir said:

yonpachi said:

What else? I guess I'm just very very sad. I love ESO, but RNG loot boxes is the most thing I hate in MMORPG.

I never bought them even do not know if they exist in the game. Completely ignoring them changed nothing in my gameplay.
You should inherit the same point of view for nowadays its all about RNG and boxes everywhere.

I'm against this. There's many way to generate income for the game. How about selling some real good contents in crown shops? How about putting extra sweats in designing real good costumes, pets, or mounts? (You know the stuffs that make you goes like OMG that is very sexy on my toon I must get those!) If it's not enough put them behind Premium cosmetics price, if it's not enough put them behind bundle pack or something. Not enough? Put them behind time limit.

But instead we are getting Crown RNG Boxes.

In B&S they had this. Not only once, but many times each come with their own costumes, and they even also put upgrading stones as one of their rewards, I forgot what was it called but it is equivalent to Tempering Alloys/Dreugh Wax/Rosin.

I've also bring the topics on my Traders guild, most of them were indifferent.

"Well then if you don't want it, just don't buy it!"
"No one forces you to buy such thing!"
"Well, maybe I'll buy some of the boxes like $20 and see how the loot like, hehe"
"It's their money, up to them what they want to spend it on is not your business. gtfo!! lol"

But my friend, let me tell you, not everyone are the same like you. Some of them are rather weak to this kind of gambling stuffs. Gambling addiction is a real thing http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/basics/definition/con-20023242 Are you sure you want to support them in this gambling boxes thingy?

Lot of stories out there if you are willing to see.

A father who stole his children's college fund to support his rng boxes gambling compulsion.

A lady who, when the company whose game she played bought her a plane ticket to come to a convention to meet the team that built it couldn't go because she couldn't afford the train ticket to the airport. As she had spent literally every cent she had on the rng boxes.

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

If you say "Yes", may Stendarr have mercy on you.

Bislobo · February 2017

Congrats ESO, big expansion coming in June so 2017 looks even more promising. Morrowind!

Classicstar · February 2017

Played on steam 3000+ hours Skyrim probably as much also Morrowind back when it was released in 2002. I dont see ESO as Elder scroll game i ignore it totally hehe.

jimmywolf · February 2017

it not the big bad corporate, it idiots who lack self control an you say they should babysit them? an make a safe environment were no one can hurt themselves? right....

were in a world were everyone need money, were also in a world were everyone has major entitlement issues an think they should get everything for next to nothing or free.

supply an demand is great free market but their a point were regardless your demand they cannot financially long term afford to supply it, it a give an take or their be nothing left to take an the game will fade away.

but since you already left it all irrelevant an since you hated paying or did not feel it was worth it for cosmetics i doubt it a major loss.

Alverant · February 2017

jimmywolf said:

it not the big bad corporate, it idiots who lack self control an you say they should babysit them? an make a safe environment were no one can hurt themselves?

He said no such thing. RNG boxes are gambling and gambling is regulated in this country. Besides, it's not like there isn't some middle ground. Limit the purchases to $10 a day is reasonable. Also make it opt-in where players get to decide if the even want to receive RNG boxes. If you're going to force players to either avoid them or use up an inventory slot, let them sell the boxes at a decent price.

"were also in a world were everyone has major entitlement issues"
Like companies who think they are entitled to your money by pressing you to engage in their gambling practices?

Supply and demand tends to break down when you effectively have a limitless supply anyway.

Talonsin · February 2017

Well deserved. This game has changed so much for the better since release.

acidblood · February 2017

jimmywolf said:

it not the big bad corporate, it idiots who lack self control an you say they should babysit them? an make a safe environment were no one can hurt themselves? right....

were in a world were everyone need money, were also in a world were everyone has major entitlement issues an think they should get everything for next to nothing or free.

supply an demand is great free market but their a point were regardless your demand they cannot financially long term afford to supply it, it a give an take or their be nothing left to take an the game will fade away.

but since you already left it all irrelevant an since you hated paying or did not feel it was worth it for cosmetics i doubt it a major loss.

So by that logic I should be able to beat up old ladies in the street and take their money because they can't defend themselves?

There is a big difference between babysitting someone (i.e. I don't necessarily have to help old ladies cross the road), and intentionally praying on them, which is exactly what companies like Zenimax (and many others) are doing with RNG loot boxes.There is zero reason, beyond the greed of praying on addicted individuals (and hiding the true cost of certain items), that they couldn't have put all the items up for sale at a fixed price.

Also, yes, they absolutely should provide a safe environment where everyone can simply enjoy the game without bringing in real world concerns; at the very least they should be a bit more socially responsible and limit the amount of money an individual can spend on the game in a given time period (e.g. no more than $100 per month).

Props to ESO though, if it weren't for the loot boxes I would have tried it by now. My personal top MMO still remains FFXIV and I can't wait for the Stormblood expansion; one mention of loot boxes though, and I'm gone.

orbitxo · February 2017

its the year for Zeni!

inmysights · February 2017

As I said before and now I will say again, It is time for us to stopping logging in and start setting up boardgames! Once these developers see us moving on to better time spent, and our money being saved instead of spent on virtual trash like RNG lootboxes, we will start getting better MMO's and better games in every genre! Live in Houston check out are Boardgame meetup: https://www.meetup.com/North-Houston-Boardgamers/events/236968630/

Sovrath · February 2017

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Forgrimm · February 2017

Sovrath said:

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Exactly. I guess by some people's logic, we should shut down all casinos, liquor stores, tobacco sales, etc., because people might get addicted. Also lol at the guy comparing assaulting an elderly person to a company selling rng boxes in a game.

Daikuru · February 2017

Its kinda sad, if you ask me, If its the best we've got.

YashaX · February 2017

Looks like its going to be the best mmo in 2017 as well, they are really kicking ass.

YashaX · February 2017

Forgrimm said:

Sovrath said:

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Exactly. I guess by some people's logic, we should shut down all casinos, liquor stores, tobacco sales, etc., because people might get addicted.

I think the fact that legally you have to be an adult to use casinos, alcohol, and tobacco actually adds credibility to the argument that gambling boxes can be dangerous and probably shouldn't be used in games.

Forgrimm · February 2017

YashaX said:

Forgrimm said:

Sovrath said:

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Exactly. I guess by some people's logic, we should shut down all casinos, liquor stores, tobacco sales, etc., because people might get addicted.

I think the fact that legally you have to be an adult to use casinos, alcohol, and tobacco actually adds credibility to the argument that gambling boxes can be dangerous and probably shouldn't be used in games.

And it's mostly adults that have money that are buying rng boxes and other cash shop items. If someone has an addictive personality, they're always going to find a drug of choice if they want to.

cloudacv · February 2017

ESO has the most boring, flat uneventful combat and skill system. Probably the worst combat in an mmo. It feels next to pointless.

Talonsin · February 2017

YashaX said:

I think the fact that legally you have to be an adult to use casinos, alcohol, and tobacco actually adds credibility to the argument that gambling boxes can be dangerous and probably shouldn't be used in games.

The fact is, you have to be a certain age. That does not always translate to "being an adult"...

yonpachi · February 2017

Forgrimm said:

Sovrath said:

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Exactly. I guess by some people's logic, we should shut down all casinos, liquor stores, tobacco sales, etc., because people might get addicted. Also lol at the guy comparing assaulting an elderly person to a company selling rng boxes in a game.

Yeah we should totally totally defend drug dealer because it's definitely the addicts fault right?

Let me tell you that drug dealing is one of the worst crime you could ever do in this country where I currently live, the penalty is death.

YashaX · February 2017

yonpachi said:

Forgrimm said:

Sovrath said:

yonpachi said:

These are all real stories.

Stories that have been shared by us by the people in the industry or stories we've heard first hand.
Sometimes brave individual developers will quit or walk away from those companies but systemically... Nothing.

So are you sure you want ZoS to be financially depends on ability to prey on just such people?

Well, their issues are more than that rng boxes in a video game. Even if the game "just had a sub" they would still find other ways to gamble/lose their money elsewhere in the world.

Exactly. I guess by some people's logic, we should shut down all casinos, liquor stores, tobacco sales, etc., because people might get addicted. Also lol at the guy comparing assaulting an elderly person to a company selling rng boxes in a game.

Yeah we should totally totally defend drug dealer because it's definitely the addicts fault right?

Let me tell you that drug dealing is one of the worst crime you could ever do in this country where I currently live, the penalty is death.

Incoming death sentence for gambling boxes!

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