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Is there still no end game?

ExinExin Member UncommonPosts: 65
Hey, so I have been wondering whether to come back to Black Desert. I quit during the P2W-quit-wave and am now waiting for Revelation to come out. But I still have a sentiment for this game... I'm just not sure, since what made me stop play was not really the P2W aspect, but the lack of end game. Node wars were fun at first, but later it was nothing special and more like a requirement to take part in than a pleasure.

Does the new update offer new ways to spend time? I see the huge sea and it's kinda awesome, but on the other hand, 45 minute journey one-way? I hope it's worth it! I remember how it was with whale hunting - everyone was waiting for it and then mehhh, swimming back and forth and spamming shooting wasn't really fun.

Thanks a lot for all suggestions!
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  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    edited January 2017
    Quit the BDO P2W wave while waiting for a new game that's bound to be P2W in the biggest ways possible..? LOL

    About that massive sea - yes, it's worth it for sure if you're into PvE. It holds a huge amount of epic monsters (boss like) what you need to kill with large groups. From the PvP point of view - nothing new and the more (real life) money you spend in the game the better weapons you can grab from the AH...
  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Kind of wondering what the OP classes as being 'end game' honestly, because from what i've seen there is a ton  of it.
    BDO is a game where you really need to join a guild and take part in things, so join the right guild for you, whether its pvp, pve or both, if your a solo type of person your probably going to find the end game a bit empty same as just about every other MMO out there. :o
  • CopperfieldCopperfield Member RarePosts: 654
    DMKano said:
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?

    Dont really need a TET primary or secodsry weapon to be effective. can do fine in DUO and TRI

    Also 15 euro for 10mil silver is HORRIBLE.

    I know Kakao did this as a way of making moneyx but you can sneeze and make 10mil silver in game at 56+.

    The pric ahould be at LEAST 10x IMO, like 150 mil silver for 15 euro.
    ahh the forumwarrior Hello

    duo or pri costs around 300 mill..

    so gearing up and char costs around? 

    better off just buying char @ playerauctions then tossing money into bdo..

    on the other hand if you just play the game you will be fine
  • ExinExin Member UncommonPosts: 65
    edited January 2017
    Reizla said:
    Quit the BDO P2W wave while waiting for a new game that's bound to be P2W in the biggest ways possible..? LOL

    About that massive sea - yes, it's worth it for sure if you're into PvE. It holds a huge amount of epic monsters (boss like) what you need to kill with large groups. From the PvP point of view - nothing new and the more (real life) money you spend in the game the better weapons you can grab from the AH...
    Ehm.. Learn to read? I never said I was bother by P2W because there was really not much P2W going on. What made me quite is first, majority of my friends decided to quit, second, the fact that the publisher lied and the risk of P2W was quite high since we didn't know the impact.

     "I quit during the P2W-quit-wave and am now waiting for Revelation to come out. But I still have a sentiment for this game... I'm just not sure, since what made me stop play was not really the P2W aspect, but the lack of end game."

    I quit because all my friend decided to quit, and we've all spent a lot of money on the game and spend a looot of time. At that time our gear was considered very good - 3/4 boss TRI gear and TRI kzarka's. 

    Also regarding Revelation - so far there is nothing P2W about it the way Black Desert was with for example Ghillie Suit. It's heavy on progression-aiding items, though. But this will just help you get ahead at the beginning - then you are capped and thinking why have you wasted thousands of dollars if you could've just play for 2-3 months like everyone else :)
  • ExinExin Member UncommonPosts: 65
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?
    Where have I said this game is P2W? There was a P2W-quit-wave when they announced cash shop sales on the AH and that's the point in time I have quit as well, because my whole guild decided to quit.

    BDO is very heavy on convenience items, though, with things like weight limit etc. Without those you are kinda screwed with grinding.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Exin said:
    Reizla said:
    Quit the BDO P2W wave while waiting for a new game that's bound to be P2W in the biggest ways possible..? LOL

    About that massive sea - yes, it's worth it for sure if you're into PvE. It holds a huge amount of epic monsters (boss like) what you need to kill with large groups. From the PvP point of view - nothing new and the more (real life) money you spend in the game the better weapons you can grab from the AH...
    Ehm.. Learn to read? I never said I was bother by P2W because there was really not much P2W going on. What made me quite is first, majority of my friends decided to quit, second, the fact that the publisher lied and the risk of P2W was quite high since we didn't know the impact.

     "I quit during the P2W-quit-wave and am now waiting for Revelation to come out. But I still have a sentiment for this game... I'm just not sure, since what made me stop play was not really the P2W aspect, but the lack of end game."

    I quit because all my friend decided to quit, and we've all spent a lot of money on the game and spend a looot of time. At that time our gear was considered very good - 3/4 boss TRI gear and TRI kzarka's. 

    Also regarding Revelation - so far there is nothing P2W about it the way Black Desert was with for example Ghillie Suit. It's heavy on progression-aiding items, though. But this will just help you get ahead at the beginning - then you are capped and thinking why have you wasted thousands of dollars if you could've just play for 2-3 months like everyone else :)
    Anyone who spends "thousands of dollars" trying to win a MMORPG is doing it wrong IMO, but hey its their money.

    Me, I'd probably invest in flight lessons or go on basejumping expeditions. ;)

    Sounds as if the P2W aspects are less onerous than first expected, so I say go back and give it another go.

    Maybe your friends will even come back and join you.

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    DMKano said:
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?

    Dont really need a TET primary or secodsry weapon to be effective. can do fine in DUO and TRI

    Also 15 euro for 10mil silver is HORRIBLE.

    I know Kakao did this as a way of making moneyx but you can sneeze and make 10mil silver in game at 56+.

    The pric ahould be at LEAST 10x IMO, like 150 mil silver for 15 euro.
    ahh the forumwarrior Hello

    duo or pri costs around 300 mill..

    so gearing up and char costs around? 

    better off just buying char @ playerauctions then tossing money into bdo..

    on the other hand if you just play the game you will be fine
    It depends a lot on the type of armour/weapons
    For instance, Duo ultimate zereth will knock you back between 40-50 million silver. But if you mean Duo kzarka or liverto etc. then yeah, they cost. :o
  • free2playfree2play Member UncommonPosts: 2,043
    The game tends to focus on throwing 200 things to do at you rather than completion so I suppose "endgame" is weak if you went for level cap and called it done.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Nope, nothing has changed. No real end game content.

    That's kinda the thing with sandbox games though. You do what you feel like, rather than doing what you feel you SHOULD do (aka raiding, otherwise you'll never get the best goodies).

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  • ReizlaReizla Member RarePosts: 4,092
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?
    ...didn't say the game was P2W - I referred to RO being P2W for sure ;) Other than that, I think it's still kinda lame that you can stills wipe your CC for pearls and cash them in the game for silvers. While Kakao did not make the game really P2W with it, you can get in-game currency for real world money...
  • ExinExin Member UncommonPosts: 65
    There's a lot to do but nothing really meaningful. I wish there were some theme park (instanced PVP etc.) additions, but that's never gonna happen... I'm gonna check the sea update though as it looks pretty cool.
  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    Exin said:
    There's a lot to do but nothing really meaningful. I wish there were some theme park (instanced PVP etc.) additions, but that's never gonna happen... I'm gonna check the sea update though as it looks pretty cool.
    There is instanced PvP. The Red Battlefield. It just doesn't get used all that much I think.

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

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  • bamwallabamwalla Member UncommonPosts: 221
    Its the same game, though I don't know you will be happy going from BDO combat to Revelation.   Personally I don't see the P2W aspect of BDO as much as others seem to... pay to win what?  a node? a castle? a marketplace bid? a duel? lol.  People have become so afraid of losing that they must blame anything but themselves...  really... Silver is so easy to get, I have hundreds of millions (mostly in gold ingots from log in rewards)and my top character is 52...and I took 9 months off...you get silver just for logging in...
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  • ste2000ste2000 Member EpicPosts: 6,194
    DMKano said:
    both players above me can explain how this game is p2w tbh

    15 euro = 10 mill silver with a value pack in ah

    1 tet kazaka sword is around 1,3 bill silver

    can you do any math?

    Dont really need a TET primary or secodsry weapon to be effective. can do fine in DUO and TRI

    Also 15 euro for 10mil silver is HORRIBLE.

    I know Kakao did this as a way of making moneyx but you can sneeze and make 10mil silver in game at 56+.

    The pric ahould be at LEAST 10x IMO, like 150 mil silver for 15 euro.
    This is also the reason why BDO is NOT P2W.
    At 700k Silver per Euro it will take 400 Euros to buy a BIS TRI which is the minimum to be competitive in PvP.
    Multiply that for 14 slots = 5600 Euros just to be competitive with most players who didn't spend a single Penny.
    I have all DUO plus the 3 Weapons TRI and I've been off for 6 months, people who never quit are comfortably in full TRI with many TET items, if not full TET.

    If you really want to win multiply that for x2 (10k Euros) for a full set of TET and x4 (20k Euros) for a full set of PEN (which by the way you can't even find on the Market).
    Sure there are people that can spend that kind of money but I don't think there are so many that the numbers bother me.
    Basically, the average Whale is not going to win in BDO.

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196
    I want dungeons and group content. Endgame is what you make it.
  • rojoArcueidrojoArcueid Member EpicPosts: 10,722
    Some people complain there is no end game in some mmos and when you ask them what end game is to them, they either cant answer or randomly say LFG/LFR.

    OP, i dont know where you stand, but if you are one of these people you are playing this game wrong.






  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited February 2017
    Pretty sure most people that p2w do it with Aritisan's Memories, not selling cash shop gear.  Have any of you tried to repair an item you're upgrading?  It's really expensive.  Artisan's memories cuts that cost in half.

    As for endgame- It's basically solo grinding with a few unrewarding scheduled sieges per week.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    Some people complain there is no end game in some mmos and when you ask them what end game is to them, they either cant answer or randomly say LFG/LFR.

    OP, i dont know where you stand, but if you are one of these people you are playing this game wrong.



    God forbid people want group content in an MMORPG.
  • solochoowookiesolochoowookie Member UncommonPosts: 54
    End game means there is an end. Its over when you are done playing, but until that time there will be stacks of things to do. Better if you dont try to define it as a theme park where you get instanced gated content to help define it.

    You dont have to grind for gear, you dont have to be max level, you dont have to chain war zones... You dont have to do anything. Just do what you want. 
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited February 2017
    End game means there is an end. Its over when you are done playing, but until that time there will be stacks of things to do. Better if you dont try to define it as a theme park where you get instanced gated content to help define it.

    You dont have to grind for gear, you dont have to be max level, you dont have to chain war zones... You dont have to do anything. Just do what you want. 

    i.e. nothing productive, unless you solo grind on a road to nowhere.  And if what you want is group content in an online game, with BDO you're shit out of luck.

    If you're implying it has sandbox features where you can create your own content instead of provided content, it barely has as many sandbox features as a theme park.  You can't even trade with other players.
  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    edited February 2017
    Aori said:
    This game definitely needs some open world dungeons that require or encourages group play to traverse. 
    It has a few open world dungeons in Valencia.  They are super cool, but you can't get anything really good for going there.  No bosses or anything either, it's just a grind zone really.

    I've tried to figure out why they eliminated any semblance of group play from an online game without even substituting epic solo content- just grind, and it doesn't make much sense.  I'd bet it ties into their monetization model, or development just got messed up somewhere along the line.

    The bizzare thing is it's clear the devs weren't lazy.  There is a lot of quality in the game.  So this lack of group content must have either been intentional or forced on them.

    I can't imagine a Dev coming up with the maps and mobs and animations for the open world dungeons, let alone all the other cool areas that are pretty pointless, and envisioning them as places nobody would bother going to because there's no point to.

    And the argument of "who cares if there's a point" is lame, imo.  It's like in real life if you just decided to wander around with no goal whatsoever you're entire life.  Sure it's fun if you're high as hell or mentally challenged, but people generally don't enjoy doing that.

    With BDO it's even worse because at least wandering around you can interact with strangers in a meaningful way. 
  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    Nope, nothing has changed. No real end game content.

    That's kinda the thing with sandbox games though. You do what you feel like, rather than doing what you feel you SHOULD do (aka raiding, otherwise you'll never get the best goodies).
    It's true that you sort of do what you feel like in sandbox games, but sandboxes like EVE offer a lot more choices. That's the problem with BDO. There simply isn't enough variety. When I log into EVE I can decide to spend the night PVP'ing in low-sec Faction Warfare with a few friends. Or maybe go gank some haulers with CODE. Or maybe I feel like daytripping to some wormholes, and the list goes on and on. That type of choice does not exist in BDO.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,057
    Nope, nothing has changed. No real end game content.

    That's kinda the thing with sandbox games though. You do what you feel like, rather than doing what you feel you SHOULD do (aka raiding, otherwise you'll never get the best goodies).
    It's true that you sort of do what you feel like in sandbox games, but sandboxes like EVE offer a lot more choices. That's the problem with BDO. There simply isn't enough variety. When I log into EVE I can decide to spend the night PVP'ing in low-sec Faction Warfare with a few friends. Or maybe go gank some haulers with CODE. Or maybe I feel like daytripping to some wormholes, and the list goes on and on. That type of choice does not exist in BDO.
    In all fairness EVE has been around a "few" more years than BDO.

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