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What FunCom Fails to Tell You Anti - Cheat

RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
in Conan Exiles
I purchased this game off https://conanexiles.com/ for early access this company Did not inform me they use "Battleye" or 3rd party DRM Denuvo which have (THIRD PARTY Agreements / EULA) That you may not agree to Funcom doesn't make you aware of this, or aware of any Terms OF Service, so technically you are bound by nothing, and they require these to play the game.

Although Battleye does ask consent when I installed this game, and did give me a chance to back out of installing and I trust it a bit more now, Funcom should still make customers aware on their purchase website.
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  • holdenhamletholdenhamlet Member EpicPosts: 3,772
    Apparently you can set up servers to not use it, or join ones that don't use it.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited February 2017
    Apparently you can set up servers to not use it, or join ones that don't use it.
    Yep I was made aware of this (After purchase not before) I hope funcom can offer refunds to those who do have an issue they should at least be making customers aware of these two major issues 3 if you include the fact they mention no Terms OF Service before purchase.

    And actually Battleye did ask consent and showed me an EULA for that service, but Denuvo doesn't have any info except on their website, and I am not sure I trust this service because the Crackers / Hackers who crack software I have spoken to on reddit says it constantly writes changes code within the game and decrypts data on a persons hard-drive which can cause it to fail.
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    edited February 2017
    It must really be challenging to go through life worrying about everything you read on the internet.

    Blissful ignorance has worked well for me. ;)

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    I first ran into the same thing with Battleye when i loaded H1Z1 and it was actually annoying as hell,i just forget why.It was booting me out of game each time for some reason so i just said screw it and asked Steam for a refund.

    Good thing about Steam,long it doesn't show 2 hours played you auto get a refund.

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  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Kyleran Funcom has had problems ever sense there first game they put out. You probably know this better then me.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Renoaku said:
    I purchased this game off https://conanexiles.com/ for early access this company Did not inform me they use "Battleye" or 3rd party DRM Denuvo which have (THIRD PARTY Agreements / EULA) That you may not agree to Funcom doesn't make you aware of this, or aware of any Terms OF Service, so technically you are bound by nothing, and they require these to play the game.

    Although Battleye does ask consent when I installed this game, and did give me a chance to back out of installing and I trust it a bit more now, Funcom should still make customers aware on their purchase website.
    Well it does tell you , it tells all purchases go thru  Steam ..

     ....Conan Exiles game key for use on Steam....

    Before you purchase ..

     Steam Page ..

     on the right , direclty under Play modes .. Highlighted in yellow ...

    http://store.steampowered.com/app/440900/?snr=1_4_4__discovery-queue-0

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Not everyone is going to read on steam, if this is true they should only sell their product through Steam, and this is why I see Funcom company as "FAILURE" since Age OF Conan, and TSW both games flat out sucked, Conan Exiles which could have potential already being ruined by poor development decisions...

    The main webpage should still have the information on it with a checkbox that says " I Agree to the Terms & Conditions listed here and mentions battleye being a requirement, and Denuvo DRM usage".

    Also the game is unplayable, and what looks like a great game could be a failure of a game having serious issues even getting the game to run any time I log out of the game "Conan Sandbox.exe gets stuck in task manager, along with "Beserve.exe" or battleye not closing have to close them out manually and restart...

    Server Lists do not populate correctly, and while the game is running lots of DNS errors just browsing the internet no other game does this so its not on my end.

    And the last thing "Private Servers" what could be a great game feels like its going to be no better than mine-craft simply because it didn't offer the MMO concept of games where a player can just login to the world like with "Elder Scrolls Online" on an official server if they want sure Private servers are fine, but if a player just wants to play on an official server, without getting the error (This server is full they should be able to, rather than having created 10 or 20 characters per server its rather annoying a game with good potential already being thrown down the drain because of the decisions in development );.
  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Renoaku said:
    Not everyone is going to read on steam, if this is true they should only sell their product through Steam, and this is why I see Funcom company as "FAILURE" since Age OF Conan, and TSW both games flat out sucked, Conan Exiles which could have potential already being ruined by poor development decisions...

    The main webpage should still have the information on it with a checkbox that says " I Agree to the Terms & Conditions listed here and mentions battleye being a requirement, and Denuvo DRM usage".

    Also the game is unplayable, and what looks like a great game could be a failure of a game having serious issues even getting the game to run any time I log out of the game "Conan Sandbox.exe gets stuck in task manager, along with "Beserve.exe" or battleye not closing have to close them out manually and restart...

    Server Lists do not populate correctly, and while the game is running lots of DNS errors just browsing the internet no other game does this so its not on my end.

    And the last thing "Private Servers" what could be a great game feels like its going to be no better than mine-craft simply because it didn't offer the MMO concept of games where a player can just login to the world like with "Elder Scrolls Online" on an official server if they want sure Private servers are fine, but if a player just wants to play on an official server, without getting the error (This server is full they should be able to, rather than having created 10 or 20 characters per server its rather annoying a game with good potential already being thrown down the drain because of the decisions in development );.
    Your OP is nothing but Misleading and False information , that any self respecting  Admin here should remove ...

                   Your response here is a illegitimate, forgettable, wall of Nerdrage ...

    Any consumer that took 35 seconds to glance over the Steam page would see it .. Its highlighted in Yellow for a reason , When you you clicked BUy and entered your CC info it linked you directly to the Steam Page , But if you mash buttons ..  ADD TO CArt ...PURCHASE... INSTALL, and took no time to read about the product .. thats your fault .. The 3rd party info is right there in plan sight as well as the Disclaimer for EA as well as Funcoms own EULA ...

      the rest of this response is clearly someone  who doesnt understand EA /Alpha testing and should not participate in it ...

         In the future take a few minutes to read , and maybe not jumped into Day 1 EA Alpha games , give them some time to iron out issues that We all know crop up in these projects and allow the Developer time to ironn out some of these common EA/ALpha issues that seem to be causing you some unecassary aggravation...
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    edited February 2017
    How is anti-cheat embedded in the games that you can't see any better? It's easy to single out 3rd party anti-cheat and blame it for every wonky thing that happens to your computer but the reality is that all PVP games without the explicit 3rd party apps have very similar code in them... or did you think they worked on the "honor system"? :)
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Elsabolts said:
    Kyleran Funcom has had problems ever sense there first game they put out. You probably know this better then me.
    AOC taught me to be wary of their products at "launch."

    If ever there was a company to never buy an EA release from this is it.

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  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Translation: I didn't read.. now I'm mad...

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  • PsYcHoGBRPsYcHoGBR Member UncommonPosts: 482
    I just came off the game and none of the official servers have the battle eye logo showing. Maybe they don't have it or they stopped using it.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    The problem here again is "The game does not inform people on the Concan Exiles website that it requires an Anti Cheat made by a third party...

    There is no (EULA OR Terms OF Service regarding the use of the game software from Funcom.) Meaning I could hack the software, decode do whatever the heck I please with it right now because I bought it through a 3rd party and wasn't required to agree to anything before my purchase right?

    The Anti Cheat did ask consent to install itself this time last time on Planet Side 2 it didn't.

    But what also wasn't told to me before my purchase or shown to me the 3rd party information was "DRM" Denuvo...

    http://www.pcgamer.com/denuvo-admits-its-anti-piracy-tech-is-not-uncrackable-after-fast-resident-evil-7-crack/

    http://www.denuvo.com/

    I don't agree with the denuvo terms of service, nor do I agree with it leaving files behind on my PC if I remove something, nor do I agree with them saying it doesn't impact my game or performance this is a complete lie...

    There is a reason why "Doom" Removed Denuvo from their game, and why a few other games have as well..

    Instead all I see on the conan Exiles site is a "Buy Now" button, and asking for my email, and PayPal, or Credit Card, no EULA / TOS with the actual game software, no mention of Battle Eye, although looking it it now it appears they put Denuvo DRM, but they still do not disclose what Denuvo is, how it works, or link to their website which tells people it can leave stuff behind, as for 5 activation limit a day who would need that lol Denuvo is a complete joke anyways causes performance issues.


  • krevrakrevra Member UncommonPosts: 50
    Jesus, learn to read guys.
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    If you already have BattleEye on your system from another game will it use the one you already have?

    I got it when I installed Paladins and thought I didn't like the whole leave "stuff on your computer" but my desire to play the game outweighed the concern of any problems the 3rd party software may cause.

    I think DayZ also installs BattleEye but I could be wrong.
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    BruceYee said:
    If you already have BattleEye on your system from another game will it use the one you already have?

    I got it when I installed Paladins and thought I didn't like the whole leave "stuff on your computer" but my desire to play the game outweighed the concern of any problems the 3rd party software may cause.

    I think DayZ also installs BattleEye but I could be wrong.
    Yeah, but Battleye actually asks with each game or is supposed to except for the bug with a couple of games where it was installed without asking each game you install it installs a different .exe file in the common files directory for the game you are playing.

    I mean I don't have a problem with Battleye being they are making an effort even to fix it on some games where it didn't so the agreement but its (Publishers) and (Developers) who need to make this clear on the website they sell their games with a notice and agreement with a check box saying that the user has acknowledged they read that it is required to have battleye to play on official servers...

    This saves time for the company as they don't get lots of refund requests from those who don't want it, and they inform the user at the same time so there isn't arguments.
  • HeretiqueHeretique Member RarePosts: 1,536
    Renoaku said:
    I see Funcom company as "FAILURE" since Age OF Conan, and TSW both games flat out sucked

    And the real reasoning for the thread has appeared.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    I dunno, if I bought Conan, I'd be mostly miffed that they've had to knock the server cap down even lower than 70 due to shoddy testing.  This issue would be less irritating, to me.

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  • goboygogoboygo Member RarePosts: 2,141
    Huh?
  • rodarinrodarin Member EpicPosts: 2,611
    ummmmm


    http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/460585/battle-eye#latest
  • Dagon13Dagon13 Member UncommonPosts: 566
    I have mixed feelings about this.  Surely anyone who would care enough to not use the product based on the TOS/EULA would a) know that all online games have a TOS/EULA and b) research the TOS/EULA before purchasing.  Such an individual would not risk purchasing the product before knowing what the TOS/EULA is.

    That being said, companies should be upfront about these things in all avenues of purchase.  I shouldn't miss out on information because I used X method to purchase the game.


  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,649
    edited February 2017
    Ark uses  "Battleye"  too.  

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  • frostymugfrostymug Member RarePosts: 645
    Well I'll be damned, look at this shit... when you go to purchase on the conanexiles site.

    I know you didn't bother to get a screenshot when you purchased, and I know it wasn't there at that time because you would have diligently noticed it, so they have obviously been lurking here and changed it because of this thread or the other 7,694 you have posted about this in.

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  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    frostymug said:
    Well I'll be damned, look at this shit... when you go to purchase on the conanexiles site.

    I know you didn't bother to get a screenshot when you purchased, and I know it wasn't there at that time because you would have diligently noticed it, so they have obviously been lurking here and changed it because of this thread or the other 7,694 you have posted about this in.

    Hi Trond!




    and this right here proves this is just a troll thread

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