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How would you feel if someone intentionally sabotaged a raid?
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Recently, the MMO that i was playing had an update and a new raid boss was introduced. Super hard, etc, etc. You know the drill.
There was an event where everyone who completed the raid in the first month would get a small event reward. Nothing game breaking, mostly for cosmetic purposes.
The raid was very hard and was aimed at people with end game stats...and by end game i mean practically the best stats you could get with the current content. The kind that takes at least 6 months of playing or connections to get. To make things worse, our server was a small one, so we had very few people who met the stat and skill requiremetns to do the raid.
As the event was drawing to a close, I asked one of my friends (who had successfully completed it) whether we could try to do it before the event finished. He usually does it with another party, but this time round we ended up forming a party to try and get 3 people the event reward before the deadline.
One special guy in this party deliberately sabotaged the raid by using subpar gear and refusing to attack the boss until the last few minutes, at which point it didnt matter as we ran out of time to kill the boss. What he was doing was extremely obvious, and my friend was pissed that he deliberately refused to contribute. At this point, I still said nothing.
His reason for doing it was because he didnt want me to get the event reward before the deadline, so he refused to attack the boss.
My friend got pissed and disconnected after the failed attempt. The remaining party members got another party leader. I tried to join, but the new party leader told me he had to kick me or that special guy and his friends would deliberately throw the raid again. This is when I got really pissed.
Also this special guy has been doing childish stuff like this for several years now, so this is not the first time. He spent last year telling everyone that he has changed for the better, then goes and sabotages a raid to prevent me from getting an event reward.
Now heres the confusing part. You would typically expect that pulling a stunt like this would make you a pariah right? After all, who wants someone in their raids when they intentionally sabotage it by refusing to attack the boss? After I told some of my friends what happened, word got around and the special guy found out about it. He got really pissed, admitted to everyone that he did it on purpose and apparently spent an entire day shit talking about me, telling every party he was in that he didn't want me in his raids and spinning things to make me look like im the bad guy.
One of my friends was present when he was doing this, he says that everyone knows he sabotaged the raid on purpose but they either dont care or are just going along with him (because he is one of the few who has managed to successfully complete the raid and they want to suck up to him or something).
Like 90% of the people I talked to are treating me as the bad guy and telling me to "let it go" "move on", etc, and they dont seem to understand why I am pissed about this. Our mutual friends are trying to get the best of both worlds and refuse to get involved, which just encourages him even more. After all, he can literally sabotage a raid and nobody is saying anything, because they want to remain friends with him.
Again, he has spent years trolling and doing shit like this. But he keeps getting a free pass and people keep telling me to give him a free pass. I dont know if its because he sucks up to them, gives them free stuff, or what. I know one guy who is avoided by most of the server for much milder stuff than this.
One of his friends contacted me afterwards and tried to cover for him by saying that not everyone in the raid was using optimal gear or trying 100% so it wasnt his fault. The fact that one of his friends would go so far as to try and cover for him not attacking the boss is mind boggling. HIs friend also tried to push the blame to me by saying that it was my fault he refused to attack the boss because he was pissed about something I said to him several weeks ago. This is apparently a totally legitimate reason to sabotage a raid.
I cant tell if im the twilight zone or not. If you were in this situation, wouldnt you be pissed about it?
The special guy in question is about 20 years old from what I've been told, just in case you were wondering about his age. (People always seem to ask about age for stuff like this for some reason).
There was an event where everyone who completed the raid in the first month would get a small event reward. Nothing game breaking, mostly for cosmetic purposes.
The raid was very hard and was aimed at people with end game stats...and by end game i mean practically the best stats you could get with the current content. The kind that takes at least 6 months of playing or connections to get. To make things worse, our server was a small one, so we had very few people who met the stat and skill requiremetns to do the raid.
As the event was drawing to a close, I asked one of my friends (who had successfully completed it) whether we could try to do it before the event finished. He usually does it with another party, but this time round we ended up forming a party to try and get 3 people the event reward before the deadline.
One special guy in this party deliberately sabotaged the raid by using subpar gear and refusing to attack the boss until the last few minutes, at which point it didnt matter as we ran out of time to kill the boss. What he was doing was extremely obvious, and my friend was pissed that he deliberately refused to contribute. At this point, I still said nothing.
His reason for doing it was because he didnt want me to get the event reward before the deadline, so he refused to attack the boss.
My friend got pissed and disconnected after the failed attempt. The remaining party members got another party leader. I tried to join, but the new party leader told me he had to kick me or that special guy and his friends would deliberately throw the raid again. This is when I got really pissed.
Also this special guy has been doing childish stuff like this for several years now, so this is not the first time. He spent last year telling everyone that he has changed for the better, then goes and sabotages a raid to prevent me from getting an event reward.
Now heres the confusing part. You would typically expect that pulling a stunt like this would make you a pariah right? After all, who wants someone in their raids when they intentionally sabotage it by refusing to attack the boss? After I told some of my friends what happened, word got around and the special guy found out about it. He got really pissed, admitted to everyone that he did it on purpose and apparently spent an entire day shit talking about me, telling every party he was in that he didn't want me in his raids and spinning things to make me look like im the bad guy.
One of my friends was present when he was doing this, he says that everyone knows he sabotaged the raid on purpose but they either dont care or are just going along with him (because he is one of the few who has managed to successfully complete the raid and they want to suck up to him or something).
Like 90% of the people I talked to are treating me as the bad guy and telling me to "let it go" "move on", etc, and they dont seem to understand why I am pissed about this. Our mutual friends are trying to get the best of both worlds and refuse to get involved, which just encourages him even more. After all, he can literally sabotage a raid and nobody is saying anything, because they want to remain friends with him.
Again, he has spent years trolling and doing shit like this. But he keeps getting a free pass and people keep telling me to give him a free pass. I dont know if its because he sucks up to them, gives them free stuff, or what. I know one guy who is avoided by most of the server for much milder stuff than this.
One of his friends contacted me afterwards and tried to cover for him by saying that not everyone in the raid was using optimal gear or trying 100% so it wasnt his fault. The fact that one of his friends would go so far as to try and cover for him not attacking the boss is mind boggling. HIs friend also tried to push the blame to me by saying that it was my fault he refused to attack the boss because he was pissed about something I said to him several weeks ago. This is apparently a totally legitimate reason to sabotage a raid.
I cant tell if im the twilight zone or not. If you were in this situation, wouldnt you be pissed about it?
The special guy in question is about 20 years old from what I've been told, just in case you were wondering about his age. (People always seem to ask about age for stuff like this for some reason).
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Failing that, Chiun from the movie Remo Williams said it best.. "Professional assassination. It's the highest form of public service".. Find a PvP guild and hire them for a long-term assignment.. Target: Douchebag # 1.. *insert maniacal laugh here*
..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)
If not that or just letting it go there is no other way to go but in game shenanigans. This may end up being a burden for you in the end though unless you feel it's suited to you.
Also I would personally Grief, and harassment the said individuals online as well as save all in game data from every persons clan profile before leaving and take what I can with me track each individual down who is involved and deal with them as a whole since they deal with me or (X) Person as a whole.
Just what I would do can't speak for everyone else but I am still glad to know I have brought I couple of griefing gaming community to the ground for being toxic in the past its so fun watching what few remain LOL when they can't even be nice or follow their own rules.
oh i feel great about them
So when your having a problem with one player in particular, and this is where it gets weird, everyone else is siding with that player and excluding you over it, i kind of have to wonder why that would be, as its fairly unusual behaviour, though from the story, there does seem to be quite a bit of history between the two of you.
Makes me wonder what kind of story the other person would put forward in their defence.
You don't need to tolerate that kind of bullying, and shouldn't have to tolerate it. But you can't always win. Sometimes you just need to have enough courage to accept the losses caused by leaving the game.
Get or or start a clan, gear up, and hopefully never have to deal with it again.
Also so many people are against carrying if you are perceived to be below their level (however they calculate this).
In my experience, players tend to be very self interested. They tend to join the guild they think benefits them the most, wont hesistate to jump ship if offered bribes, will suck to peopel who can carry them in raids, etc. Unless you are talking about a very mature community, like with a small MUD maybe, I would be REALLY surprised if any MMO has a community made up of largely GENUINELY nice people.
Its more like :
-50% are siding with him because he is one of the few who can do the new super hard raid and they want his help
-45% are refusing to get involved for the same reason or simply dont care because they werent the ones who got screwed
-5% are pissed at him
One of my "friends" pretty much told me that he will kick me from his party if the troll and his friends are there because he just wants to play the game and doesn't want to have to find replacements (again, very few people have the gear for this new raid). That's the average MMO player for you.
This is a chatlog between me, the troll and a mutual friend, the mutual friend was trying to smooth things over :
2:32 AM - Question: what if the explanation was
2:32 AM - Question: "i dont want you completing an event"
2:34 AM - Mutual Friend: wait wut
2:34 AM - Mutual Friend: when was that the explanation
2:34 AM - Troll: that's my explanation
2:35 AM - Troll: not gonna deny it, as it didn't affect me whether the run finished or not
He's openly admitted he did it on purpose. No excuses.
He is, or was (his friend insists he has stopped doing anything, yea right) actively conspiring to stop me from doing the new raid. So it was really difficult to even find people to do practice runs because people would say "oh we cant invite you because the troll is here and will cause trouble".
Its kind of the opposite for this game, you are expected to carry people if you have the stats/skills for it. If you complain that people are dying too much, not doing enough damage, etc, you get a bad reputation and you stop getting invited because people will tell the party leader not to invite you.
That number is even lower now because uni has started. But since the troll and his friends are some of the few people on the server who have done it successfully, everyone wants to go with him. When I try to put together a party, theres either not enough people or they already did it with the troll and are capped.
I didnt choose him to be in the party, the party leader did (my friend). I thought he would be mature and play properly rather than screw the whole party over, but that turned out to be wrong. My friend is now very reluctant to do this raid with me now that he knows the troll will sabotage the run and he usually does it with the troll and his friends.
2 If it is a Raid boss you likely have several healers,tons of players,yeah i would hardly call that TOUGH.
Try a fight where if that one player dies no matter who it is,your whole party will likely die and NOT a RAID Boss.
I have long stated Raids are nothing more than a stigma of hard and elitism,well they are not.
Sabotage??My experience says more like people are stretching for someone to blame when they don't win.
IMO if you are EXPECTING to win then it is NOT tough by any stretch of the imagination.I think the most accurate statement was the "stats"seeing how that is the way Blizzard designs their game/combat and Square doing the same the last few years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
And its even often the smallest things that was unjust, that is or was done to us, that we seem to remember the most, especially in times where the mind produce or come up with reasons for our lack of courage later in life.
Therefore, while I am in no way a qualified person to give advice, all I can pass on is, that it might help to hold on to and remember your courage, even when faced with injustice.
And also, maybe distract yourself, your own mind, focusing on your own goals and how you plan to succeed them, rather than focus on what was done, that you can no longer change.
You can also not change this person, who for some reason obstruct your game, at least it is very unlikely.
So giving him your time, your thoughts and acces to your emotions, is a waste of your time.
It is not easy, I know that, and it might never be. But later in your life it is likely you will face even greater injustices or become aware of ongoing injustices that far exceeds things that people do to each other in a game.
This does not mean that your current feelings are not justified and relevant, but you will need to find out how you can benefit from this learning experience and maybe use the knowledge to overcome injustices, that will have far greater impact on your life later on.
This is why people tell you, that you have to move on, not because they dont care, not because they side with the guy in question, they wish for you to move on, so you no longer have to hold on to the painful thoughts and emotions. So you have renewed free acces to shape your own path again.
What you do is important, dont let the other guy be the important one, the more time you allow him to be in your head, the less time you have for things that are actually important to you.
what game is this anyway
Spoken like a true PvPer. Ready, set, go, fight! And if the game itself can not produce enough drama, the people in it never fall short of that kind of entertainment.
They always find a way.
Sadly it is actually my impression, that a lot of developers actually rely on people to do this. And if the designs are not supportive enough to cause infighting, sublime tweaks will be made to ensure it does.
But hitting that right balance, where the designs cause the entertainment and where the designs cause people to leave the game, it must be ever so hard.
And "who cares about people like the OP right, they just gotta grow some backbone, get some thick skin".
That said, I am inclined to agree with you, at least if the mutual fighting parties are equals.
A guy such as the OP describes is simply just hilarious.
Not because of the consequences it leaves with the OP, but simply because the guy in question standing there doing nothing, pouting like a little schoolgirl in the middle of a raid.
Pure comedy.
Little boys, when they get stubborn, they are so cute lol.
I would never, in a bazillion years, bring someone I didn't implicitly trust to a 10/10 complex in EVE or take them with me on a Level 5 mission. It'd be a sure way to get ninja looted and ignored, or exploded and laughed at.
I guess it's all part of the games you grew up in. I grew up in a game that taught me to watch my back, make deliberate friends and keep your bullshit detectors running at all times. It's something that WoW and SWTOR just don't teach.