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Elves, bows, swords, dwarves, dragons, magic...
Plasuma!!!
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Ignore the first part if you know more than "it'll be fun and revolutionary!" about Vanguard and can share it here; otherwise, read on ^_^.
Dramatization: **Gasp** I've always wanted to stab t3h 31f with t3h 5w0rd!! I've never been able to do that in any other game omigosh! omigosh! omigosh!
Yay another unique game with elves and bows and swords... and dwarves... and dragons... and magic....
. Arrghh... this genre has been beaten to a pulp and ground to dust, why must there be another one of these games?! o_O
No offense to those of you who enjoy these kinds of MMOs, but I'm sure anyone can agree that this generic fantasy setting is a little old <_<. I really do like the idea of these "epic fantasy quests", but there are more than just a few ways to experience a good medieval adventure... which, for some reason, any RPG has yet to do. If I had a dollar for every game that used this setting and did nothing to make it better, I'd be up there with Bill Gates.
/end ignore
I hope Vanguard will bring new life to an over-used genre 
. I truly hope it will... I heard it's by the same guy (Brad McQuaid) who made Everquest. In the article (of Game Informer issue 156) it said that Mr. McQuaid has left SOE behind completely, meaning that his game will not suffer from the initial -15 suck penalty, or get a 1 on all rolls... and joined Microsoft. But joining Microsoft is like signing a pact with the devil, and he did o_O. So, I'm asking anyone who reads this and knows a little bit about Vanguard: Will it be as great as it's said to be?
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But to your first point, yes the medevil theme is nothing new and has been done a million times, but I for one always liked it and will continue to play mostly medevil themed mmo's. Why stop a good thing?
I love medieval RPGs! I have all the Elder Scrolls (Oblivion!! YAH!), all the Final Fantasy games, and some other not-so-well known ones like Skies of Arcadia (because I'm probably of the only guys over 18 with Nintendo's purple lunchbox).
I just want to see something different. There are only so many times in so many games that you can kill some gargantuan dragon by stabbing it in the eye with a sword or arrow without it feeling like the same darned thing each time>_<.
I also play WoW curently (inactive mostly, waiting for the expansion), and I have played Everquest and SWG... strangely enough, the only game I have played that sucked to the extreme was NOT a medieval fantasy RPG, but a sci-fi blunder.
Plasuma, because no matter how many times it's been done it can ALWAYS be done better. And it looks like Vanguard will be the best yet..as a PvE-based game.
But by your logic maybe companys should stop making RPGs, FPS's, and RTS games while they're at it
i love these games, always have always will....ever since back in the days of pnp D&D and dragonwarior on the Nintendo, among others LOL
read this http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1044304#post1044304 then come back and talk to me about the vanguard/soe fiasco.....
I still have Dragon Warrior from the first Nintendo Power issue I ordered ><.
I love fantasy settings, but I have to admit a well done sci-fi or current day is always welcome.
Some of us grew up with things like Conan the Barbarian, Lord of the Rings (the book, we had to read back then), Dungeons and Dragons (this we actually played without a keyboard, mouse, monitor or even a computer. We played it with our imaginations.), and Medeival History, with tales of Brave Knights and Legends about Dragons and Demons and Wizardry.
Then came video games. For roleplaying enthusiasts, there was mainly text based games like Zork and too many more to mention. There was Space Invaders and Pac-Man and Asteroids. Futuristic games about aliens attacking and Monkeys who stole girlfriends from Italian plumbers. But there was also Joust and Venture and later came Gauntlet and Dragons Lair; games with a Medievil theme about Warriors and Wizards smiting beasts of all description.
As technology advanced, some of us got hooked on our first graphical RPG's. For me the first was Final Fantasy for the NES; it wasn't much to look at, but it was revolutionary for its time. A game you could play front to back as a character in a fantastical world without having to just imagine it. Games have gotten better and better since then, but the escape is what we seek and the escape has only gotten better and better as technology moves forward.
Then came the MMORPG: supreme roleplaying experience with thousands online!™ Ultima Online, Everquest and Anarchy Online were among the first to steal our hearts away from single player games forever. As hardware improves the games just get better and better (arguably, but I stand firm with the notion we don't like the newer games as much because we are jaded or spoiled, take your pick.) and we keep wanting the next level of MMORPG entertainment.
There will never be a perfect RPG or MMORPG, but each new one rekindles some of that same good old feeling, of being the hero of the wasteland, of fighting every battle and never yielding and saving the day with nothing but sweat and steel! Arr the sound of your sword slicing into your enemies flesh and hearing their lamentations as their armies lie dead as far as the eye can see!*cough* Got carried away.
See? Some of us will never get enough of it because we love it. We always will and you'll never understand. So go play CoV.
Actually, I really didn't like CoV for the three months I played.
I enjoyed DnD 3E since middle school and it was dang fun ^_^, if only our DM would schedule meetings more often, I would still be playing it in the same old group -_-.
Anyway, I'm just trying to say: the genre is getting pretty old. It's redundant. I do enjoy other RPG games spanning various time settings, but the one that gets hit the most is the medieval period, and the new medieval MMO installments are beginning to show how badly they've destroyed the fantasy.
My concern is: DnD Online sucked really, really bad (in my opinion); just the whole "bring DnD to an MMO" thing was doomed to fail anyway, it's difficult to organize a dependable dungeon group and high-traffic areas quickly become the instance carping zones seen in WoW.
I wanted to know if this game will not suck like the other games out there, and people are saying it will not, so my question was answered. I said in my first post: "No offense to those who enjoy this genre". Your opinion was not required, and there was no reason for you to read the first two sentences and vent your heart out as an RPG history lesson (by the way, you forgot Asheron's Call as one of the first)... really, you must be a riot at parties
. There is something called "sarcasm" which apparently escaped you...
I'm thinking you should actually read (you know, that thing you do with books) a post before puking on it.
Fantasy is the kind of game most people want to play.
It might be old, but that's what the majority of people want.
Vanguard is not innovative because invented a new genre, but because of the features that are in it.
well said.
And honestly Fantasy hasn't been done enough! When was the last actual good and indepth fantasy MMO made? EverQuest (IMO) and that was 7 damn years ago!!!
Ignore the first part if you know more than "it'll be fun and
revolutionary!" about Vanguard and can share it here; otherwise, read
on ^_^.
Dramatization: **Gasp** I've always wanted to stab t3h 31f with t3h 5w0rd!! I've never been able to do that in any other game omigosh! omigosh! omigosh!
Yay another unique game with elves and bows and swords... and dwarves... and dragons... and magic....
No offense to those of you who enjoy these kinds of MMOs, but I'm
sure anyone can agree that this generic fantasy setting is a little old
<_<. I really do like the idea of these "epic fantasy quests",
but there are more than just a few ways to experience a good medieval
adventure... which, for some reason, any RPG has yet to do. If I had a
dollar for every game that used this setting and did nothing to make it
better, I'd be up there with Bill Gates.
/end ignore
I hope Vanguard will bring new life to an over-used genre
I truly hope it will... I heard it's by the same guy (Brad McQuaid) who
made Everquest. In the article (of Game Informer issue 156) it said
that Mr. McQuaid has left SOE behind completely, meaning that his game
will not suffer from the initial -15 suck penalty, or get a 1 on all
rolls... and joined Microsoft. But joining Microsoft is like signing a
pact with the devil, and he did o_O. So, I'm asking anyone who reads
this and knows a little bit about Vanguard: Will it be as great as it's
said to be?
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It is more than just a genre, it is a type of game, for example you have:
1) First Person Shooter
2) Strategy
3) Sports
4) RPG (mostly fantasy D&D type, because that's what people are in to.)
I never said I hated it, I plainly stated: "it's redundant". I never said the medieval fantasy setting was old, I said what the RPGs are doing with it are old.
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Originally posted by Plasuma!!!
Yay another unique game with elves and bows and swords... and dwarves... and dragons... and magic..... Arrghh... this genre has been beaten to a pulp and ground to dust, why must there be another one of these games?! o_O
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We all know the obvious reasons they produce Fantacy Middle age/predark age or dark age games. Some people still miss the reasoning however. For the most part the MMO's produced in the US follow this trend due to:
A) Most of the population's heritage comes from the Europian nations and therefore we can either relate to it or hold some interest towards it's history.
C) The biggest obvious is how popular fantacy novels are. Though Sci-Fi does have a large cult following, fantacy still has somewhat of an edge on it.
D) People argue or tend to have lager complates when it comes to Sci-Fi do to so many various contradicting theories and everyones own idiology. It's easier to argue and believe the existince of a dragon since there were previously large reptilian creatures on the planet. We usualy tend to accept the past for the past and question it less than we question our future. Other more recent areas of our past do not capture as much interest and in honosty have less romance to them such as the Wild West or 1920-30's.
I however still wait for a more visualy realistic and less anime like High Eastern Fantacy set in both China and Japan. I'd be fine with what we now refer tot he Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Kung-Fu style fighting, infact I'd love that for a Chinese setting. It's just the anime characters and the way every single game that touches some vaguely similar gender is produced in korea and halways has the same feel and the same anoing flashy lights and lightsaber-esc tracers to every fight. Give me real looking martial arts along with chinese style armor and their version of an armies and warriors, or a Japanese based game with Samari and Samari armor (also would have to have martial arts of corce since both countries had various styles, all originating back to their influince from the warriors of some island in that reagion of the world, cannot for the life of me remember the name of that colture.) With all the reach caulture feel and honor. It would of course have to have ninjas too;-) (which had a sense of honor as well when it comes to their clans and so forth, however usualy seen without honor due to their stealthy stalking nature which obviously doesn't give the average target a chanse to defend themselves).
I apologize now for all my horible spelling, the spellcheck option for thisorum hasnot been working for me since their forum updates. That combined with little sleep adds to numorous incounters with craptacular spelling
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I am sorry mate, but I consider redundant something that people don't want anymore.
But (medioevil) fantasy is a genre that has millions of fans around the world, and not just in the game area but in the movie industry and literature too.
I won't call it redundant.
That beeing said, im quite exited about vanguard and am expectant of the features that are beeing implemented into the game.
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Nobody, to my knowledge, has said it's great -- what they generally say it that they "hope" it will be great based upon what limited information we currently have about the game and some educated guesswork and the strong desire for a complex gameworld loosely based on the original EverQuest.
The traditional swords and sorcery fantasy setting is one I find most comfortable, so I tend to very much like Elves and bows and magic and so on.
Perhaps as the beta testing ramps up to include greater numbers of testers and eventually when the NDA is finally dropped we can discuss the game in more detail.
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Thank you for not posting an opinion or a subjective piece of pseudo-history. ^_^
I have also found that most sci-fi MMORPGs are not as great as the developers said they were, and even some good upcomming sci-fi titles may be avoided by some as the big sci-fi debate now is "Why SWG kicked the bucket".
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Vanguard will Rock MY WORLD!