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US Navy Asking Gamers for Help Planning For Singularity - MMORPG.com News

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited March 2017 in News & Features Discussion

imageUS Navy Asking Gamers for Help Planning For Singularity - MMORPG.com News

In a news item oddly reminiscent of the Mass Effect series, the United States Navy will be running a limited-time browser based game that anyone can join to "help us design our Navy for a post-Singularity world". Singularity is the concept that artificial intelligence will ultimately and fundamentally alter human civilization. To gather ideas, the US Navy will be launching a browser title for a week.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    I guess the US Navy need to find creative ways to spend all the cash they'll be swimming in now that Trump is hiking the defence budget... :lol:
  • Jaedia88Jaedia88 Member UncommonPosts: 17
    Ummm.... I think this wins "weirdest news story" award. xD
  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    The Navy would do much better rebuilding the fleet not HE/SHE PC what if.
    " Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who  Would Threaten It "
                                            MAGA
  • forcelimaforcelima Member UncommonPosts: 232
    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    edited March 2017

    forcelima said:

    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.



    I heard that defending the "free world" was it´s own reward... =P

    Anyway... This is just part of a bigger scope thing. They need to at least have some basic theory about what is to come incase someone who is not them get there first... think of it as the space race all over again.

    This have been a good conversation

  • MykellMykell Member UncommonPosts: 780
    Why is it we always think its going to be a threat we need to deal with? Did some General get around to watching the Matrix and decided urgent action was needed?
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited March 2017
    Because when you give Generals money, they don't spend it on improving the QoL of their troops..  They spend it on pet projects like this.  A web-based game in a vain attempt to doomsday prep for something that isn't even an widely accepted theory in the scientific community, much less accepted as a "law" of science.  In fact, scientists have observed that nowhere in the universe has a singularity event even been proven to occur or be possible (save for a theory on the gravitational pull of black holes that might involve a singularity event).

    The guy who's piping this view the loudest also believes that he'll "reprogram" his body chemistry and live forever by taking over 100 supplement pills a day.

    Awesome work, Generals. I'm sure this will turn into the one thing that saves humanity, action-movie style.

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  • SidQFTSidQFT Member UncommonPosts: 96

    MadFrenchie said:

    Because when you give Generals money, they don't spend it on improving the QoL of their troops..  They spend it on pet projects like this.  A web-based game in a vain attempt to doomsday prep for something that isn't even an widely accepted theory in the scientific community, much less accepted as a "law" of science.  In fact, scientists have observed that nowhere in the universe has a singularity event even been proven to occur or be possible (save for a theory on the gravitational pull of black holes that might involve a singularity event).

    The guy who's piping this view the loudest also believes that he'll "reprogram" his body chemistry and live forever by taking over 100 supplement pills a day.

    Awesome work, Generals. I'm sure this will turn into the one thing that saves humanity, action-movie style.



    Tell that to Steven Hawkins. He thinks otherwise.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    And even if they get zero useful data out of this.. that is in turn useful since then they know that this is not a vector that can give "the enemy" an advantage... 

    Yes it sounds silly... But then again risk analysis and management is a pretty well paying gig just because of the simple fact that information is king. 

    This have been a good conversation

  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    forcelima said:
    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.

    There is a reason The USMC is called a Dept. of the Navy.
    " Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who  Would Threaten It "
                                            MAGA
  • forcelimaforcelima Member UncommonPosts: 232
    When it comes to funds they are the red headed step child of the Navy
  • ElsaboltsElsabolts Member RarePosts: 3,476
    Look the Marines have there place, you just need to keep them occupied all the time and not give them cell phones ? Not sure how there gonna do the fox holes soon.
    " Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who  Would Threaten It "
                                            MAGA
  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    forcelima said:
    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.
    We have had our own money since 1947. Although still department fo the Navy, the Navy can not and has not been able to influence our budget since 1947. I joined in 90, retired in 2014, we have our own budget, we have our own equipment, we have our own representative on the Joint Chiefs. The only reason we are still called Department of The Navy is tradition, in all other aspects, the Marines are a separate service.

    If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

    In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Politics thread is what this has turned into. 




  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited March 2017
    SidQFT said:


    Because when you give Generals money, they don't spend it on improving the QoL of their troops..  They spend it on pet projects like this.  A web-based game in a vain attempt to doomsday prep for something that isn't even an widely accepted theory in the scientific community, much less accepted as a "law" of science.  In fact, scientists have observed that nowhere in the universe has a singularity event even been proven to occur or be possible (save for a theory on the gravitational pull of black holes that might involve a singularity event).

    The guy who's piping this view the loudest also believes that he'll "reprogram" his body chemistry and live forever by taking over 100 supplement pills a day.

    Awesome work, Generals. I'm sure this will turn into the one thing that saves humanity, action-movie style.



    Tell that to Steven Hawkins. He thinks otherwise.
    No offense to Steven...  But being paralyzed doesn't make him a more authoritative figure than any other scientist in a field outside their own.  Hawkins is a theoretical physicist, which makes him about as qualified to speak to the evolution of AI as your average college physicist.

    A top neuroscientist at Duke University (Miguel Nicolelis) disagrees with Hawkins and Kurzweil.  He, does believe humans will assimilate machines to enhance ourselves, but the idea that a machine would develop to the point of replacing or faithfully replicating human cognition, consciousness, and awareness is bunk (according to him).

    A Harvard professor of computational theories of the mind as well as evolutionary psychology (Steven Pinker) agrees that a "technological singularity," as Kurzweil describes the scenario, is highly unlikely.  Both he and Nicolelis work in fields that are related to the theory laid out by Kurzweil.  Theoretical physics has nothing to do with AI or human cognition and intelligence.

    Michio Kaku, if we wanna go the road of thinkers in different fields commenting on AI, agrees that a technological singularity is possible, but that, ". . . right now, our most advanced robots have the intellectual capability of a cockroach (a mentally challenged cockroach, at that) . . ."  (EDIT- In fairness, I should note here that the article is from a little over a year ago) and there's no way to predict when such an event would occur, if we (as in, humanity) are able to even bring the technology to that point at all (Moore's law is not without limitations, and heat buildup is one of the big ones, with silicon providing a bottleneck of sorts). He also believes that the more likely scenario in the near future is an assimilation of machinery into the human body to enhance our senses/abilities and repair certain organs/parts that have been damaged by accident or disease and sickness.

    Kurzweil borrows work from another scientist (Modis) to build his theory of the technological singularity and its timeline. Modis himself disagrees with the conclusion Kurzweil used his work to draw. My point was this isn't the most effective use of military spending. I would much rather they use the money to help improve things for our enlisted men and women throughout the branch, rather than investing into what amounts, again, to some General's pet project.  Or, if they insist on doomsday prepping technological advances, I feel that additional work towards prepping for biological/chemical attacks is a much more effective use of R&D money.  Because, to be quite frank, the general American public is WOEFULLY unprepared for a large-scale chemical or biological attack.  Our only saving grace is our ability to prevent it from happening through the use of intelligence agencies and homeland defense.

    EDIT- Typos throughout

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited March 2017
    Torval said:
    tawess said:
    forcelima said:
    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.
    I heard that defending the "free world" was it´s own reward... =P

    Anyway... This is just part of a bigger scope thing. They need to at least have some basic theory about what is to come incase someone who is not them get there first... think of it as the space race all over again.
    The military, or at least the Navy I remember, was all about preparedness. We ran drill after drill on exercise after exercise.
    Btw, it's cool to see some familiar faces around here revealing they've served.  Also, don't be hating on the USAF..  What you boys can't go through or under, we go over. ;)

    Thanks for serving, @Torval and @Hatefull .  My pops was a Marine and my great uncle served in the Navy..  Both were/are great men, and their military experience helped shape that.

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  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    edited March 2017
    Maybe the Navy is actually on a recruitment drive, and this is some roundabout way of "increasing awareness of the Navy" as a career option for young people ?

    Now I have the Village People singing in my head... :anguished:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGuy0jievs
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Did I miss the one for the zombie apocalypse?  Or the alien invasion scenarios?

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    So they think this is a real threat otherwise why would they prepare for it...... Skynet.

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,039
    SpottyGekko said:
    I guess the US Navy need to find creative ways to spend all the cash they'll be swimming in now that Trump is hiking the defence budget... :lol:
    I mean who needs education, science or taking care of American elderly and the poor.  We need browser based games from the Navy!
    http://www.gamespace.com/members/mrlobster/  - Me on Gamespace
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    edited March 2017
    Chasing away foreign students that pay for the higher education was another smart move. Universities in Britain are rejoicing . In Malaysia we send our kids overseas and pay through the nose. It's okay all is good.

  • MrMelGibsonMrMelGibson Member EpicPosts: 3,039
    MadFrenchie said:
    Torval said:
    tawess said:
    forcelima said:
    The navy can start by giving the Marines more money. They was always strapped for cash when I was enlisted.
    I heard that defending the "free world" was it´s own reward... =P

    Anyway... This is just part of a bigger scope thing. They need to at least have some basic theory about what is to come incase someone who is not them get there first... think of it as the space race all over again.
    The military, or at least the Navy I remember, was all about preparedness. We ran drill after drill on exercise after exercise.
    Btw, it's cool to see some familiar faces around here revealing they've served.  Also, don't be hating on the USAF..  What you boys can't go through or under, we go over. ;)

    Thanks for serving, @Torval and @Hatefull .  My pops was a Marine and my great uncle served in the Navy..  Both were/are great men, and their military experience helped shape that.
    Agreed.  I also retired from the AF a few years ago.  All the branches are awesome and have their own purpose.  While we rib each other a bit, we also work well together when we need to.
    http://www.gamespace.com/members/mrlobster/  - Me on Gamespace
  • GrimulaGrimula Member UncommonPosts: 644
    "In Malaysia we send our kids overseas and pay through the nose. It's okay all is good"


    Wouldn't you rather have Good schools in Malaysia to send your kids ???

    why do you need to send them to the USA ?

     take a stand and force your government to Man up and build more GOOOOOOD schools in your Own country 

    =) =) =) =)  ^_______^

    GO GO POWER RANGERS !!!!





  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    edited March 2017
    We have good schools but unfortunately the wealthy in Asian countries always send their children overseas . It's a thing. I graduated locally but a lot of my high schools friends all went overseas. It's dumb but these people waste the money and do not support local universities but local universities are not that expensive. Malaysia is one of the richer Asian countries and education is heavily subsidized and government servant health care is free. We were a British colony so they tend to send them to England but Canada and America are popular destinations too.

    If you watch Asian dramas you will see every rich family send their children overseas to study and it a huge revenue source.

    This is Asian mentality always relying on our Colonial Masters.
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  • simsalabim77simsalabim77 Member RarePosts: 1,607
    SpottyGekko said:
    I guess the US Navy need to find creative ways to spend all the cash they'll be swimming in now that Trump is hiking the defence budget... :lol:
    No worries. We spent copious amounts of cash on completely unnecessary things even when we weren't swimming in cash. Can't have just one huge plasma on the wall for the sole purpose of teleconferences. You need at least four. Have money leftover in the budget? Buy a new $5000 smart board that gets used once and then stuck in a corner.

    I may or may not be speaking from experience. 
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