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  • mcrippinsmcrippins Member RarePosts: 1,642
    One of the things I loved about UO. It never really had any kind of story. The players just made their own adventures, and my friends and I still talk about some of those to this day. Definitely needs to be more games like that out there.
  • Po_ggPo_gg Member EpicPosts: 5,749
    As a story player myself, I don't really agree with this one, but still was a funny vid, and as you said, it's your dream MMO :wink:

    (but on a sidenote, for great lore, well-written overarching storyline, and with players are definitely not chosen ones, you should check LotRO. I know, you've only tried it for short, at the beorning beorning, and it ended up in a quite messy news page :wink:  Just sayin', it's possible.)
  • SamhaelSamhael Member RarePosts: 1,534
    Yay, the Hive-with-a-personality is back. Not like that Hive-narrator! :P
  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,177
    I love story I mean I don't have to be the hero but story and lore are important to me.

  • BorlucBorluc Member UncommonPosts: 262
    Lore and a broader story of the world are things that help draw me into a mmorpg. However, I completely agree that a predetermined story ark in which every player character is the star tends to draw me out of the world. I do it because it's there and there are often benefits in doing so, but it's not meaningful because everyone is the hero.

    Give me a world where I can be as big or small as my ambitions and social skills allow (after all no one becomes big alone).
  • pokrakpokrak Member UncommonPosts: 111
    I just need atmospheric dark and murky vampire vs human vs werewolf mmo with gore and sexual themes.... Horror level should depend of faction u choose to play. Vampires with a lot of gore and darkness,
    Humans fight it and brings light and order, Werewolfs should be barbaric tribes close to nature mixing all... 
    That the horror mmo I would play
    Read more at http://forums.mmorpg.com/discussion/463535/why-arent-there-more-horror-mmos-garrett-fuller-at-mmorpg-com#dUfe33BJscgQvPmv.99
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  • XyireXyire Member UncommonPosts: 152
    I completely agree. Story arcs where every player is the only hero that matters are entirely idiotic. I wish there were more "you're 1 adventurer of thousands carve your own path or be forgotten"
  • NPCPakNPCPak Member UncommonPosts: 36
    This is a concept I've been waiting for since 2003. I've always wanted to be my own player and share my own tales behind the history of players who defeated so-and-so dragon or understand the lore of the land I walk in. A story doesn't make up the lore, but history does.
    (NPCPak) Nobukon
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,056
    Apparently has never played EVE.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914

    Kyleran said:

    Apparently has never played EVE.



    or UO ...... Dont know why i even watched that , usually avoid his vids...
  • TheHiveLeaderTheHiveLeader Video MaestroMember RarePosts: 234

    Scorchien said:



    Kyleran said:


    Apparently has never played EVE.






    or UO ...... Dont know why i even watched that , usually avoid his vids...



    Or maybe I've played both of these games (which I have and have referenced several times in several videos) and like the way they handled their story and lore. Hence I would do something similar My Dream MMO.
  • DavodtheTuttDavodtheTutt Member UncommonPosts: 415
    I think what you describe might be the wave of the future - open-world, persistent, sandbox games. Dual Universe and Worlds Adrift are two I'm keeping my eyes on (and playing WA). MY dream MMO would have those features plus be a Superhero game with a fantastic character creator like City of Heroes or Champions Online -- not just humans and a couple humanoid races, but all sorts of Furries, aliens, robots, insectoids, plant people! Maybe including 'taur forms like Overwatch's Orisa. Also with the customization of powers and effects, and different travel powers.

    OH yes, and one or two other things coming along in the new games -- huge worlds with procedural generation to create as much space as needed. If you're going to have persistent worlds, they've got to be BIG, too. Procedurals might not be required -- if you could take something like Google Earth and its 3D projection and substitute alternative CG, you could have a playable animation version of the real world, or maybe better a highly-altered alternative equivalent. Players could go to big cities if they like crowds or out in wildernesses vast enough they'd be all alone, or perhaps go out with a group of friends to where the giant monsters dwell...

    I'm hoping we'll see great strides in what game developers can do with programming techniques to "do more with less." Even with regular games, would it be too much to have a little basic AI and such, so the NPCs handing out quests don't stand in the same place all the time, saying the exact same thing to everyone -- and the world and quests do change somewhat over time?

    I think the dream MMO we(?) are thinking of would also do away with "balancing" classes, or even having separate classes. You become what you are by what you've done, who you've talked to, your experiences and the things you've learned. Maybe you just want to be the sheriff of a village and keep everything peaceful and quiet like (again, a little AI with some NPCs might go a long way), or maybe you could be a farmer in the little village, where real knowledge of crops and semi-realistic germination and growing times and the need of other players for food would make farming something to enjoy and be proud of. Likewise fishing -- OH, I've yet to find a single-player game, even that does justice to the joys of fishing -- they all seem to be geared to twitchy, competitive videogame-playing kids.

    I'd like to see crafting be totally free of recipes and schematics and all of that -- stuff in the world would just have certain properties (assigned by a simple code string, perhaps) and what you can do with it and by combining it with other things, and how you can combine them and how you do combine them all naturally determine what you come up with. If you want to make a stew, you don't need to acquire X amount of this and add Y amount of that, you can put more or less in and throw in some other stuff -- and maybe get watery soup or a burnt mess or poison. Or you could eat it raw - ripe berries would be great, old meat not so good. Doesn't Minecraft have something of this approach?

    Okay, sorry, got carried away again...
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    I don't like story either. I don't like quests. After EQ, SWG, Eve and Darkfall I can't play anything else. Thankfully Darkfall: Rise of Agon is being released May 5th I'll FINALLY get to go back to that game play again!!!! Can't wait :D
  • MyrdynnMyrdynn Member RarePosts: 2,483
    Asheron's Call remake

    end of thread
  • AlverantAlverant Member RarePosts: 1,347
    City of Heroes had story arcs that were a series of individual missions. Those were fun. Sometimes the arcs linked together. As long as we're talking dream MMOs, I like the quest system. But that's just me.
  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,760
    Pretty much voiced what I have been saying since virtually every mmorpg turned story driven around a decade ago. Single player rpgs can and should be story driven, while mmorpgs should not be. We need actual mmotpgs again or to tag those story driven "mmos" as something else - Themepark is what I think they should be called, but hen again there are still people who think everquest is themepark, so maybe not the best tag.
  • ZephyrjinxZephyrjinx Member UncommonPosts: 32
    Hive, with that sick voice you really sound like Robert Picardo (Star Trek Voyager). Not sure if anyone has said that before!

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,056
    edited April 2017







    Scorchien said:







    Kyleran said:




    Apparently has never played EVE.












    or UO ...... Dont know why i even watched that , usually avoid his vids...









    Or maybe I've played both of these games (which I have and have referenced several times in several videos) and like the way they handled their story and lore. Hence I would do something similar My Dream MMO.




    Should have mentioned you played them before as reference points in this video.

    Never assume your audience has seen your past work.  Appears neither @Scorchien or me have seen much if it. (I generally don't watch video content, prefer to read about games.)


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  • YashaXYashaX Member EpicPosts: 3,100
    Great video, makes a lot of sense.
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  • TheHiveLeaderTheHiveLeader Video MaestroMember RarePosts: 234

    Kyleran said:











    Scorchien said:









    Kyleran said:





    Apparently has never played EVE.















    or UO ...... Dont know why i even watched that , usually avoid his vids...












    Or maybe I've played both of these games (which I have and have referenced several times in several videos) and like the way they handled their story and lore. Hence I would do something similar My Dream MMO.






    Should have mentioned you played them before as reference points in this video.

    Never assume your audience has seen your past work.  Appears neither @Scorchien or me have seen much if it. (I generally don't watch video content, prefer to read about games.)





    But if I use those as reference points, I'm then assuming people have played those games. To me it just makes more sense to use NO reference points and just explain what I'm looking for. That way I don't have to assume people have played anything.
  • TaneonTaneon Member UncommonPosts: 53

    DMKano said:





    Sucks for Hiveleader, those types of MMOs existed 15-20 years ago...





    Oh they exist today too. Just need to find them



    Could you name a few please? Id realy like to play some and have no luck finding some.
  • blastermasterblastermaster Member UncommonPosts: 259




    Kyleran said:















    Scorchien said:











    Kyleran said:






    Apparently has never played EVE.


















    or UO ...... Dont know why i even watched that , usually avoid his vids...















    Or maybe I've played both of these games (which I have and have referenced several times in several videos) and like the way they handled their story and lore. Hence I would do something similar My Dream MMO.








    Should have mentioned you played them before as reference points in this video.

    Never assume your audience has seen your past work.  Appears neither @Scorchien or me have seen much if it. (I generally don't watch video content, prefer to read about games.)








    But if I use those as reference points, I'm then assuming people have played those games. To me it just makes more sense to use NO reference points and just explain what I'm looking for. That way I don't have to assume people have played anything.




    Exactly!
    And from what I gather, this is only in regard to Story vs Your Dream MMO. I guess there could (and will) be other vids about different aspects of what makes an MMO, that will most probably invalidate Eve from being brought up as "It already exists!", so let the guy dream damnit! :)


    On topic though, while I don't like the main story arch and the Hero story, I kind of like having Epic Quests related to your class or your role, etc. That, while not making you the hero will bring you into the story and the essence of your class, faction, role, whatever. But I guess this could also be considered as "Lore" more than actual story.



    Fun vid Hive, thanks for that (again) !



  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    DMKano said:

    I've never really cared for any story nor lore in MMOs because it just doesnt work in any kind of feasible way when it comes to tens and 100s of thousands of players.

    NPCs acting as if I was the only player on the server in every conversation..... lulz

    So the less story, the less questing the better for me - as frankly its all garbage when everyone is "the chosen one".

    One of the reasons I love Trove so much, there are no quest NPCs at all, no story, the lore is hidden and there are only tiny bits and pieces of it in game. There is no story crammed down your throat anywhere.






    Of course it's silly for everyone to be running a single player story with you as the hero in a multiplayer environment.

    But the answer isn't to get rid of stories and lore altogether. Those games you seem to like so much with no story and no lore I find extremely boring grind fests. A better solution is to generate more credible group events using lore and stories.

    No one has done this perfectly but the rifts in Rift and dynamic quest events in GW2 are good steps in that direction.
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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680


    Sucks for Hiveleader, those types of MMOs existed 15-20 years ago...



    Was thinking the same thing. Anarchy Online was so like this back in the day. You just had to chose a faction and the lore of the faction was the story. Man i might just have to suck it up and play it again for free on steam.
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