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First Details of Archetypes Unveiled - City of Titans - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited March 2017 in News & Features Discussion

imageFirst Details of Archetypes Unveiled - City of Titans - MMORPG.com

City of Titans News - The City of Titans site has been updated with a first look at the Archetypes that players will be able to choose from. The new page is in the spotlight as well as the structural redesign of the site to provide more information to visitors.

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  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    edited March 2017
    Vaporware alert!

    I think this recent kickstarter post by a dissapointed backer summed it up pretty nicely:

    Ship Of Heroes looks like it was drawn by Mrs Murphy's third-grade class. I can't imagine it'll be funded given the failure of this kickstarter right here.
    And yes, that's the word, "failure". The current beta date is "Fall 2018". I've received every update, and frankly, this game doesn't look any closer to completion than it did two years ago. At this point, I question whether there's really anybody still working on this, other than to post the occasional update.
    This project is vaporware, and guys, your money is gone. I was a massive CoH fan, and subscribed to this KS pretty much on blind faith. Time to let it go and move on.
    If Ship of Heroes isn't an outright scam, I feel bad for them - this project here has poisoned the well, or at least it should - there's no way I'd ever back another successor to CoH project. Build it first, and then I'll take a look.

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    The last 9-10 months or so, all that has been posted on their website is some text, drawings and wasted time on creating holiday greetings videos (instead of showing actual ingame made videos of development progress).

    Seeing the amount of Money they collected, it seems they just laughed their way to the bank and ran away with it. Making some posts on the website now and then in their free time to fool people they still working on it.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    This is not ship of heroes tho.. is it?

    This have been a good conversation

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    edited March 2017
    *EDIT*
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    edited March 2017
    And now you are talking to your self... Or rather about your self. 

    This have been a good conversation

  • TyranusPrimeTyranusPrime Member UncommonPosts: 306
    edited March 2017
    I believe City of Titans and Ship of Heroes are totally different in-development games, right? Kinda jumping the gun on this one a bit there JK?

    Edit: If CoT can re-create how awesome it was to play a CoV Mastermind with their "Operator", then I will literally have no choice but to try it.. I remain cautiously interested.. :)

    ..because we're gamers, damn it!! - William Massachusetts (Log Horizon)

  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097

    JeroKane said:

    Vaporware alert!



    I think this recent kickstarter post by a dissapointed backer summed it up pretty nicely:



    Ship Of Heroes looks like it was drawn by Mrs Murphy's third-grade class. I can't imagine it'll be funded given the failure of this kickstarter right here.

    And yes, that's the word, "failure". The current beta date is "Fall 2018". I've received every update, and frankly, this game doesn't look any closer to completion than it did two years ago. At this point, I question whether there's really anybody still working on this, other than to post the occasional update.

    This project is vaporware, and guys, your money is gone. I was a massive CoH fan, and subscribed to this KS pretty much on blind faith. Time to let it go and move on.

    If Ship of Heroes isn't an outright scam, I feel bad for them - this project here has poisoned the well, or at least it should - there's no way I'd ever back another successor to CoH project. Build it first, and then I'll take a look.



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    The last 9-10 months or so, all that has been posted on their website is some text, drawings and wasted time on creating holiday greetings videos (instead of showing actual ingame made videos of development progress).



    Seeing the amount of Money they collected, it seems they just laughed their way to the bank and ran away with it. Making some posts on the website now and then in their free time to fool people they still working on it.



    Are you talking about Ship of Heroes, Valiance Online or City of Titans? Jeez, you are confusing like a dozen issues here.

    This article is on City of Titans. Ship of Heroes, being built on the Unreal 4 engine, looks pretty darn good IMO. When you are saying the graphics are sub-par, are you talking about VO?

    Ship of Heroes has not had a kickstarter yet, that is coming up in about 10 days.


    The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!


  • Chrono223Chrono223 Member UncommonPosts: 46
    edited March 2017

    JeroKane said:

    Vaporware alert!



    I think this recent kickstarter post by a dissapointed backer summed it up pretty nicely:



    Ship Of Heroes looks like it was drawn by Mrs Murphy's third-grade class. I can't imagine it'll be funded given the failure of this kickstarter right here.

    And yes, that's the word, "failure". The current beta date is "Fall 2018". I've received every update, and frankly, this game doesn't look any closer to completion than it did two years ago. At this point, I question whether there's really anybody still working on this, other than to post the occasional update.

    This project is vaporware, and guys, your money is gone. I was a massive CoH fan, and subscribed to this KS pretty much on blind faith. Time to let it go and move on.

    If Ship of Heroes isn't an outright scam, I feel bad for them - this project here has poisoned the well, or at least it should - there's no way I'd ever back another successor to CoH project. Build it first, and then I'll take a look.



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    The last 9-10 months or so, all that has been posted on their website is some text, drawings and wasted time on creating holiday greetings videos (instead of showing actual ingame made videos of development progress).



    Seeing the amount of Money they collected, it seems they just laughed their way to the bank and ran away with it. Making some posts on the website now and then in their free time to fool people they still working on it.



    City of Titans =/= Ship of Heroes.

    Please edit your post since it is the first one (a long one too hehe) and you're incorrect :)
  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    edited March 2017
    The post I copied in came straight from the City of Titans kickstarter page recent comments section.

    That person responded to someone saying he switched his funding to Ship of Heroes, because City of Titans turned out to be a scam. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/missingworldsmedia/the-phoenix-project-city-of-titans/comments
  • GladDogGladDog Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Just so you understand, JKs quoted post is about Valiance Online, not Ship of Heroes.  SoH has not yet taken a nickel of public money.  VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter.  They also are greenlit by Steam, so they have funds coming in that way.  The person JK was quoting was probably talking about Valiance Online.


    The world is going to the dogs, which is just how I planned it!


  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 7,098
    edited March 2017
    GladDog said:
    Just so you understand, JKs quoted post is about Valiance Online, not Ship of Heroes.  SoH has not yet taken a nickel of public money.  VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter.  They also are greenlit by Steam, so they have funds coming in that way.  The person JK was quoting was probably talking about Valiance Online.
    Did you check my link?

    City of Titans received over 678.000 dollars in funding through kickstarter back in 2014.
    Over twice the amount of the funding goal! After more than 4 years they have nothing to show for!
    Just some terrible drawings my son can do better and some text.

    It's vaporware. They just preyed on the CoH community and stole their money.

    The post I quoted WAS from the City of Titans kickstarter page.
  • Truvidien88Truvidien88 Member UncommonPosts: 462
    edited March 2017

    JeroKane said:


    GladDog said:

    Just so you understand, JKs quoted post is about Valiance Online, not Ship of Heroes.  SoH has not yet taken a nickel of public money.  VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter.  They also are greenlit by Steam, so they have funds coming in that way.  The person JK was quoting was probably talking about Valiance Online.


    Did you check my link?

    City of Titans received over 678.000 dollars in funding through kickstarter back in 2014.
    Over twice the amount of the funding goal! After more than 4 years they have nothing to show for!
    Just some terrible drawings my son can do better and some text.

    It's vaporware. They just preyed on the CoH community and stole their money.

    The post I quoted WAS from the City of Titans kickstarter page.



    I still think City of Titans is doing well. Granted maybe the development process is taking a bit but overall I have high hopes in this one along with Ship of Heroes (Even though I hate the name of it) I wouldn't personally write them off just yet.
  • BanegrivmBanegrivm Member UncommonPosts: 262
    I'll be surprised if this game actually launches. They don't even have offices anywhere. They are running off of a distributed setup, which means everyone works out of their own home basically. Also, no MMO ever in the history of MMO's was funded for over 600 grand. MMO's typically cost millions. If they think people will work for free under a promise, good luck with that. I've seen people who do that first hand and not only does that ship never sail, but it burns to the ground. I would honestly love to see this game succeed. I really would. But it should have proper funding and that includes a proper office setup.

    Banegrivm
    Leader of the 1st Fist of Light
    www.1stfistoflight.com

  • DavodtheTuttDavodtheTutt Member UncommonPosts: 415
    edited March 2017
    Wow! I just visit City of Titans website -- they've been around for a few years and THAT is all they have to show for it? Never mind how much money they received, even one person doing a blog in his spare time could produce more than that in a year!

    I've played some of Valiance's "pre-alpha" game and it seemed like a great start! Don't know if they've done anything lately, though. But GladDog says "VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter. They also are greenlit by Steam" so that sounds quite encouraging.

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Everyone who gives money to KS's should be made to watch full length John Carmack video seminars while tied to a chair and needing to use the RR.
    Man alive everywhere in this world are people looking to exploit all the dumbasses in the world.

    It's as bad as believing Jerry Springer was real or that Trump is a good President...whoa ok that was a low blow,everyone already knows Trump could never be a good president.

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • FrammshammFrammshamm Member UncommonPosts: 322




    JeroKane said:




    GladDog said:


    Just so you understand, JKs quoted post is about Valiance Online, not Ship of Heroes.  SoH has not yet taken a nickel of public money.  VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter.  They also are greenlit by Steam, so they have funds coming in that way.  The person JK was quoting was probably talking about Valiance Online.




    Did you check my link?

    City of Titans received over 678.000 dollars in funding through kickstarter back in 2014.
    Over twice the amount of the funding goal! After more than 4 years they have nothing to show for!
    Just some terrible drawings my son can do better and some text.

    It's vaporware. They just preyed on the CoH community and stole their money.

    The post I quoted WAS from the City of Titans kickstarter page.






    I still think City of Titans is doing well. Granted maybe the development process is taking a bit but overall I have high hopes in this one along with Ship of Heroes (Even though I hate the name of it) I wouldn't personally write them off just yet.



    Please direct us to somewhere on their website that shows ANYTHING AT ALL about how this game is WELL INTO DEVELOPMENT.


    This game is a 100% Vaporware Scam. About the "realest" thing they will ever produce can be found on their merchandise tab. The 3 tote-bags they had made by an online vendor apparently "sold out".
  • elockloranelockloran Member UncommonPosts: 4









    JeroKane said:






    GladDog said:



    Just so you understand, JKs quoted post is about Valiance Online, not Ship of Heroes.  SoH has not yet taken a nickel of public money.  VO on the other hand, has at least two angel investors and had a successful public fundraiser that was not Kickstarter.  They also are greenlit by Steam, so they have funds coming in that way.  The person JK was quoting was probably talking about Valiance Online.






    Did you check my link?

    City of Titans received over 678.000 dollars in funding through kickstarter back in 2014.
    Over twice the amount of the funding goal! After more than 4 years they have nothing to show for!
    Just some terrible drawings my son can do better and some text.

    It's vaporware. They just preyed on the CoH community and stole their money.

    The post I quoted WAS from the City of Titans kickstarter page.









    I still think City of Titans is doing well. Granted maybe the development process is taking a bit but overall I have high hopes in this one along with Ship of Heroes (Even though I hate the name of it) I wouldn't personally write them off just yet.






    Please direct us to somewhere on their website that shows ANYTHING AT ALL about how this game is WELL INTO DEVELOPMENT.



    Maybe these would meet your personal criteria:

    https://cityoftitans.com/forum/where-we-stand-builder
    https://cityoftitans.com/content/five-dragons
    https://cityoftitans.com/forum/what-you-know-rooks-visuals-included

    From my perspective I would call that significant development work, but I kinda suspect you're coming at this topic with your mind already made up and you're not particularly looking for new evidence that might force a re-evaluation. I also suspect they'll be some goalpost moving where you'll declare this isn't "development" work, its something else, or that a video hosted on youtube doesn't meet your artificial criteria of "on their website".

    I'll agree with you on a meta-point, I don't think the CoT team has none themselves any favors in the PR department. I get the feeling they've put *tons* of work into the game behind the scenes, but until they show us gamers what they're working on you end up brewing this very sort of hostile denialist mentality. They seem to have, very recently, shifted resources a tad into getting their website a bit more up to speed but it still needs more emphasis. Don't let conspiracy theorists imagination run wild from lack of evidence, put work up on the page even if it is alpha-level work so gamers have a more tangible sense of progress.
  • officialfiveofficialfive Member UncommonPosts: 55
    All these Heroes Development could be a scam. Time will tell.
  • DarkEagle99DarkEagle99 Member UncommonPosts: 2
    Be glad they show you what's going on with updates. Most don't show you stuff going on behind the curtain.

    Keep in mind before saying scam.

    It takes about a year and a half to make a game. It takes even longer for an mmo.


    1. They have to plan what features to have and the theme.
    2. The writers got to write out the lore of the game.


    These take longer.
    3. Art has to do alot of 2d concept work based on the lore and has to be ok'd.
    4. The 3d artist has to do all the 2d concept stuff that has been ok'd to go into the game.
    5. The animators has to animate all the animations for the game.


    You got to think 1,000s of concepts and models to make. As well as making sure they are all fine
    and all those animations.


    6. While the art people are doing there thing. The programmers work on the features that go
    into the game. They also got to make sure the code works.


    Coding can take many months and fixing any broken code can break another section of code.
    which will make it take longer to get done.


    Also, They don't have to show a thing if they don't want too and those working on it are under a NDA. The ks funds went to getting the hardware and software for the artist, animators, programmers. It might have took some months after ks for them to to get them all sent out. Some of the ones working on it might be doing stuff in more than one area (Example: concepts, 3d models and programming). There might have been some other stuff going on behind the curtain too. That might have stalled them for awhile (example: asset server problems). who knows. setbacks happen even in real game houses.


    You can't just rush creating a game quickly or it will be bad and very buggy.
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