In my opinion the big pro here is that they are letting us being part of the development by being very transparent about what they are doing. Everything else is speculation.
And assuming from your signature that this bland and generic comment is not a bias way of praising the project.
If that's true then we should give all our money to Chris Roberts because they are one step from posting how many times he goes to toilet.
And what is transparent about not saying how much money the game has as base fund and what content it establishes as base game versus the extra added by kicstarter?
For such transparent project they sure forgot to mention several things.
If they did it recently I apologize and would like a link where I can inform about it better.
There is no actual game to be praised yet, but I am totally praising the project. I even backed them on Kickstarter. I did it to send a message to the industry: The MMO genre is not dead, and if they start making good games people will support them.
I believe AoC, as well as Albion online, show a different path from the usual WoW clone or p2w crap we have been fed on for the past 10 years by the gaming industry. Intrepid are releasing more and more details about the game on almost a daily basis. Just check their twitch channel where they go live 3 times a week. They have said many times the Kickstarter is a way to expand the game but that they already have plenty of funds to actually make it. If you want to call them liars, just man up and do it to their face.
They have said many times the Kickstarter is a way to expand the game but that they already have plenty of funds to actually make it. If you want to call them liars, just man up and do it to their face.
I find speaking ones mind on official channels results in chat bans as the echo chamber has little tolerance for contrary thought.
Better to stay here where some "discord" is better accepted.
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In my opinion the big pro here is that they are letting us being part of the development by being very transparent about what they are doing. Everything else is speculation.
And assuming from your signature that this bland and generic comment is not a bias way of praising the project.
If that's true then we should give all our money to Chris Roberts because they are one step from posting how many times he goes to toilet.
And what is transparent about not saying how much money the game has as base fund and what content it establishes as base game versus the extra added by kicstarter?
For such transparent project they sure forgot to mention several things.
If they did it recently I apologize and would like a link where I can inform about it better.
There is no actual game to be praised yet, but I am totally praising the project. I even backed them on Kickstarter. I did it to send a message to the industry: The MMO genre is not dead, and if they start making good games people will support them.
I believe AoC, as well as Albion online, show a different path from the usual WoW clone or p2w crap we have been fed on for the past 10 years by the gaming industry. Intrepid are releasing more and more details about the game on almost a daily basis. Just check their twitch channel where they go live 3 times a week. They have said many times the Kickstarter is a way to expand the game but that they already have plenty of funds to actually make it. If you want to call them liars, just man up and do it to their face.
And here we go with the vague apologist posts with affiliate links attached. Do you not realize any credibility you might have had is instantly gone when you are shilling for what amounts to pocket change?
Twitch and Discord are just forums for approval seeking fanbots. Any form of critical assessment is instantly banned. They don't care about accountability, all they do is take softball questions from high level backers - pay2play.
Its just hilarious to me that people think the best way to express disapproval for P2W Asian garbage is to give money to a MLM con artist who himself was a whale. If you want to fund his power fantasy playground, go ahead.
ESO and SWTOR "apparently" manage to have pretty high sub stats, though.
If they managed as well as they wanted, they wouldn't have dropped the required sub to play.
This is the thing about subs, after the game releases the number of players decays over time, instead of growing. Gets to the point they will take a decision on the business model.
The conclusion is simple, it's getting rid of sub to get more people playing the game, F2P with optional subs/cash shops proven itself as the most successful business model to date for MMO's.
I would go as far as say that MMO's like ESO, SWTOR, Aion and so forth possibly wouldn't be here today if they had not dropped the required subscription to play model. They were facing a constant decay of player population under the sub model.
When it comes to make your MMO attractive to the consumer, you as Sub-based can't compete with how well the B2P and F2P do perform, hence it's extremely harder for you to keep your player base from decay over time.
They already said this game is staying P2P. SO keep wishing. F2P and B2P are bad models and only done because the investments on WOW clones do not make any money. So they have to use P2W tactics and get you to spend money in a cash shop for the stuff you want. No its a shitty model.
Which is exactly why SWTOR has been pushing all the new content toward a sub. The same company that said they made 7m with a cash shop in the past. Sub is the best way to go with a good game. Too many games tend to go to F2P with cash shops when they can't pull people in with subs. It is also why ESO has put crafting bag into the P2P model and hoping people take the plunge.
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Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
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Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
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Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
They said the core game included all the features they've talked about. So $30 million is the goal. There is no confirmation of funding though and, as mentioned previously, I wouldn't blame them for not disclosing that, since the Internet can't handle it.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
“I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet.” ― Stanisław Lem
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
There is this little thing called fraud that you have to be aware of when soliciting funds. An anonymous Nigerian scammer has no such limitation.
disclaimer: I'm not financial supporter of AoC nor do I intend to be.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
It's the basis for Kickstarter, trust. You obviously don't. Cool bro. However, the counter to your argument is that we don't know what they have. We do know it will take more to make than what they asked for in KS, so if that makes you uneasy, then crowdfunding probably isn't for you.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is actually untrue as far as I can tell. In the Massively interview which I believe you are referring to, Bree clarifies this in the comment section where she points out that Steven did NOT say they had $30M but just that is what the core game would cost.
If you have a link to a statement showing the $30M is actually FUNDED and in the bank please share it. As I said that would go a long way to quieting many concerns.
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Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
There is this little thing called fraud that you have to be aware of when soliciting funds. An anonymous Nigerian scammer has no such limitation.
disclaimer: I'm not financial supporter of AoC nor do I intend to be.
A Kickstarter also has no such limitation. You have to try to deliver. That is all you need to do. It is very hard, almost impossible to prove that you set out from the start to pay yourself a nice yearly salary from Kickstarter funds and never intended to complete the game. It takes a couple of months for an amateur to produce a great looking demo with Unity or UE4 store bought assets for a total cost of below $1000.
The proof is in the hundreds of Kickstarter software projects that failed with no repercussions at all.
“I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet.” ― Stanisław Lem
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
It's the basis for Kickstarter, trust. You obviously don't. Cool bro. However, the counter to your argument is that we don't know what they have. We do know it will take more to make than what they asked for in KS, so if that makes you uneasy, then crowdfunding probably isn't for you.
I am sorry but i don't understand how the counter to my argument is the same as my argument. I guess, we agree then?
There is no proof for the $30 million Shariff supposedly put into this company so the logical conclusion is that they only have the Kickstarter money.
“I hadn't known there were so many idiots in the world until I started using the Internet.” ― Stanisław Lem
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is actually untrue as far as I can tell. In the Massively interview which I believe you are referring to, Bree clarifies this in the comment section where she points out that Steven did NOT say they had $30M but just that is what the core game would cost.
If you have a link to a statement showing the $30M is actually FUNDED and in the bank please share it. As I said that would go a long way to quieting many concerns.
From the FAQ page on their kickstarter: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
They reached their goal so that means they have the money for the core game. He said the core game is budgeted for $30 million. So I am assuming they have that much.
If you are asking if I can provide his bank statement, then no. That is an unreasonable request. There has to be some form of faith when it comes to game development.
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is actually untrue as far as I can tell. In the Massively interview which I believe you are referring to, Bree clarifies this in the comment section where she points out that Steven did NOT say they had $30M but just that is what the core game would cost.
If you have a link to a statement showing the $30M is actually FUNDED and in the bank please share it. As I said that would go a long way to quieting many concerns.
From the FAQ page on their kickstarter: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
They reached their goal so that means they have the money for the core game. He said the core game is budgeted for $30 million. So I am assuming they have that much.
If you are asking if I can provide his bank statement, then no. That is an unreasonable request. There has to be some form of faith when it comes to game development.
I highlighted the important part of your statement. It's based on your assumption and not fact. Again, this is Bree's EXACT quote:
Bree Royce
To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far.
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You have an MLM guy insinuating that he can/will self-fund 30M and has 'friends' begging to invest.
MLM 101 is to throw around wild numbers and make everything seem larger than life and that everyone and their mother is desperate to get on board in order to create a false sense of confidence.
He did this in the massively article/reddit when he claims Xango is a multi-billion dollar global company yet it does not disclose financials.
Its astonishing that people just recite his numbers as if they mean anything other than marketing hype.
From the FAQ page on their kickstarter: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
They reached their goal so that means they have the money for the core game. He said the core game is budgeted for $30 million. So I am assuming they have that much.
If you are asking if I can provide his bank statement, then no. That is an unreasonable request. There has to be some form of faith when it comes to game development.
I highlighted the important part of your statement. It's based on your assumption and not fact. Again, this is Bree's EXACT quote:
Bree Royce
To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far.
Well lets lay out all the quotes then:
From the article: "The project is being funded by myself currently. This is going to be a bigger game, content-wise, than Crowfall, and our budget and funding reflects that. A core viable build that includes all the features discussed about the game will take roughly $30 million to complete. The Kickstarter and any other crowdfunding we might engage in is intended to add to that budget, for additional scope on certain systems we intend to reveal throughout development."
From FAQ: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
From Bree: "To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far."
At no point does Steven say he had more investors in the wings unless she didn't post that response in the Q&A. Steven had said they want to stay true to their vision and don't want to be compromised which means no other investors. Right? He has said several times they already have enough funding for a core game so I assume that means he already has the 30 million if not close. Also the game has been in production for about a year with the dozen employees they have now. Not 2 years.
This seems like far more transparency than any other game I've seen to be honest. Most companies don't discuss finances this early in production. Not sure what else you are expecting.
From the FAQ page on their kickstarter: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
They reached their goal so that means they have the money for the core game. He said the core game is budgeted for $30 million. So I am assuming they have that much.
If you are asking if I can provide his bank statement, then no. That is an unreasonable request. There has to be some form of faith when it comes to game development.
I highlighted the important part of your statement. It's based on your assumption and not fact. Again, this is Bree's EXACT quote:
Bree Royce
To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far.
Well lets lay out all the quotes then:
From the article: "The project is being funded by myself currently. This is going to be a bigger game, content-wise, than Crowfall, and our budget and funding reflects that. A core viable build that includes all the features discussed about the game will take roughly $30 million to complete. The Kickstarter and any other crowdfunding we might engage in is intended to add to that budget, for additional scope on certain systems we intend to reveal throughout development."
From FAQ: "This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
From Bree: "To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far."
At no point does Steven say he had more investors in the wings unless she didn't post that response in the Q&A. Steven had said they want to stay true to their vision and don't want to be compromised which means no other investors. Right? He has said several times they already have enough funding for a core game so I assume that means he already has the 30 million if not close. Also the game has been in production for about a year with the dozen employees they have now. Not 2 years.
This seems like far more transparency than any other game I've seen to be honest. Most companies don't discuss finances this early in production. Not sure what else you are expecting.
So again we fall back onto the highlighted words. You can assume anything you'd like... doesn't make it right or wrong. Maybe he's got $30 in the company coffers.. I have no way of knowing. From your statement I was hoping you did and could show me. Assumptions usually don;t end well.
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so I assume that means he already has the 30 million if not close..
This seems like far more transparency...
And to people who understand MLM tactics this seems like exactly the type of fake hype they use to recruit people and sell overpriced garbage.
You are trusting a MLM guy to give you real numbers. Just think about that for a second.
The reality is that people will see someone talking passionately about a product (MLM) and see a flashy video (MLM) and they become desperate to believe its real (MLM).
Cons: There is no chance that an MMORPG with that scope get's developed for $700k (their initial goal) or $2mil (the current funding on Kickstarter). It's simply not possible. They say they have more money invested, no one can verify that so all we know are the Kickstarter numbers.
They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
They said to deliver the core game they need a $30M budget. They have NOT said they have $30M in secured funding as far as I can tell. That is why I keep asking. If you know of a link that shows they have SECURED $30M in funding let me know. that would certainly put my mind at easy and I'll likely keep my Kickstarter Pledge.
He said he is funding the game and they already have the budget for a core viable game. The core viable game will cost $30 million. Meaning he is putting 30 million of his own money into the game. Kickstarter will ADD to that $30 million budget. He has talked about it several times that they already have the money for the game they have promised.
That is completely irrelevant because no one can proof that he actually has $30 million or that they have put $30 million into the company to produce the game.
This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
It's the basis for Kickstarter, trust. You obviously don't. Cool bro. However, the counter to your argument is that we don't know what they have. We do know it will take more to make than what they asked for in KS, so if that makes you uneasy, then crowdfunding probably isn't for you.
I am sorry but i don't understand how the counter to my argument is the same as my argument. I guess, we agree then?
There is no proof for the $30 million Shariff supposedly put into this company so the logical conclusion is that they only have the Kickstarter money.
Actually, that's not logical at all, since they've already completed some amount of work. Also you can see that there are 11 people working there, so how long and for how much? Also, what have expenses been to date? That would be logical. What you're talking about is a minimalist perspective where we can assume with some certainty that they will have at least the KS money to continue development of a project that is already X% completed.
In the end, you don't actually have enough information to make an assertion other than we "know they have X amount of money from KS". We can also state that they have completed some work on the game. Both are quite nebulous statements, though.
He can claim anything he wants, we have no idea how long he has employed anybody.
He could have have spent 11 months coming up with the feature list and based on what has been shown had 1 guy working on an UE4 assets video for a few weeks.
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There is no actual game to be praised yet, but I am totally praising the project. I even backed them on Kickstarter. I did it to send a message to the industry: The MMO genre is not dead, and if they start making good games people will support them.
I believe AoC, as well as Albion online, show a different path from the usual WoW clone or p2w crap we have been fed on for the past 10 years by the gaming industry. Intrepid are releasing more and more details about the game on almost a daily basis. Just check their twitch channel where they go live 3 times a week. They have said many times the Kickstarter is a way to expand the game but that they already have plenty of funds to actually make it. If you want to call them liars, just man up and do it to their face.
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And here we go with the vague apologist posts with affiliate links attached. Do you not realize any credibility you might have had is instantly gone when you are shilling for what amounts to pocket change?
Twitch and Discord are just forums for approval seeking fanbots. Any form of critical assessment is instantly banned. They don't care about accountability, all they do is take softball questions from high level backers - pay2play.
Its just hilarious to me that people think the best way to express disapproval for P2W Asian garbage is to give money to a MLM con artist who himself was a whale. If you want to fund his power fantasy playground, go ahead.
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They never said that. They said the budget is $30 million. That's a known number already.
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This is the same as trusting a Nigerian scammer saying they have $30 million in an account and need you to transfer it to a US account but you need to give them $50 to transfer you the $30 million.
It's the oldest trick in the book. Until we see officially confirmed financial statements that they indeed have that money it's safe to assume all they have is the Kickstarter money.
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the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
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It's the basis for Kickstarter, trust. You obviously don't. Cool bro. However, the counter to your argument is that we don't know what they have. We do know it will take more to make than what they asked for in KS, so if that makes you uneasy, then crowdfunding probably isn't for you.
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If you have a link to a statement showing the $30M is actually FUNDED and in the bank please share it. As I said that would go a long way to quieting many concerns.
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The proof is in the hundreds of Kickstarter software projects that failed with no repercussions at all.
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer,
the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
There is no proof for the $30 million Shariff supposedly put into this company so the logical conclusion is that they only have the Kickstarter money.
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer,
the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" ― Derek's Law
To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far.
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MLM 101 is to throw around wild numbers and make everything seem larger than life and that everyone and their mother is desperate to get on board in order to create a false sense of confidence.
He did this in the massively article/reddit when he claims Xango is a multi-billion dollar global company yet it does not disclose financials.
Its astonishing that people just recite his numbers as if they mean anything other than marketing hype.
From the article:
"The project is being funded by myself currently. This is going to be a bigger game, content-wise, than Crowfall, and our budget and funding reflects that. A core viable build that includes all the features discussed about the game will take roughly $30 million to complete. The Kickstarter and any other crowdfunding we might engage in is intended to add to that budget, for additional scope on certain systems we intend to reveal throughout development."
From FAQ:
"This project is primarily self funded, and we’re dedicated to staying true to our vision and not being compromised. The core product can be delivered with our current capital and the crowdfunding goal. Going forward, we are dedicated to keeping our vision consistent with our philosophies and adding features whenever possible."
From Bree:
"To be clear, he didn’t actually answer how much money he’d put in so far. He said it would take $30M to complete and implied that he was the only “investor” to date, not that he’d put in $30M himself. He’s said he has more investors waiting in the wings. But if it’s been in production with a dozen devs for the last year or two, welp, do the math on what it’s cost so far."
At no point does Steven say he had more investors in the wings unless she didn't post that response in the Q&A. Steven had said they want to stay true to their vision and don't want to be compromised which means no other investors. Right? He has said several times they already have enough funding for a core game so I assume that means he already has the 30 million if not close. Also the game has been in production for about a year with the dozen employees they have now. Not 2 years.
This seems like far more transparency than any other game I've seen to be honest. Most companies don't discuss finances this early in production. Not sure what else you are expecting.
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You are trusting a MLM guy to give you real numbers. Just think about that for a second.
The reality is that people will see someone talking passionately about a product (MLM) and see a flashy video (MLM) and they become desperate to believe its real (MLM).
Actually, that's not logical at all, since they've already completed some amount of work. Also you can see that there are 11 people working there, so how long and for how much? Also, what have expenses been to date? That would be logical. What you're talking about is a minimalist perspective where we can assume with some certainty that they will have at least the KS money to continue development of a project that is already X% completed.
In the end, you don't actually have enough information to make an assertion other than we "know they have X amount of money from KS". We can also state that they have completed some work on the game. Both are quite nebulous statements, though.
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"I understand all the skepticism. A lot of promises have been made from other developers in the past.
But my team and I are just trying to bring back hope to the genre.
Sit tight, and you can join us when we launch!"
or
"We will deliver, and if you have doubts, we aren't forcing you to back us.
We are doing this because we love the MMORPG genre."
He could have have spent 11 months coming up with the feature list and based on what has been shown had 1 guy working on an UE4 assets video for a few weeks.