Now it makes complete sense as to why the OP has other threads on other games , denouncing , demanding the removal of, and belittling devs for including anti cheat programs in there games ..
I said the exact same thing in a different thread lol.
Actually want to add one more thing (if someone has said it, sorry, didn't read all replies).
Basically thanks to OP, shows that Albion admins/management actually care about their game and are actually combating RMT which plagues a lot of games. You'll see some management "try" but never really do much about it.
I was actually there when he posted this. The way he described everything was highly suspicious; he talked about hypotheticals but not once did he actually explain the situation making him highly suspect. The entire community agreed with the dev/moderator and he has come here to make a scene instead. I'm a bit confused as to why they decided to remove the post though as it'd make a good example of what not to do.
I am by no means an Albion fanboy and have given my 'neutral' response.
What does you mean there when he posted this, the post that was "Censored" by the moderator on their own forums for questioning 10.2 of the Terms & Conditions, or are you working with the game company.
And yes I can understand being highly suspicious especially with the way the Dev, explained what happened, all I know from my end, is that I was on comms outside of the game with a few people, and I swapped a gear and stuff from the other game I was playing worth a lot more currency for Albion currency at this time I didn't know making a trade of virtual items was illegal because I missed 10.2, I know RMT was illegal though and so I never exchanged any Real Money... Where the currency came from I am not sure, I was just told by them outside of the game to wait in game and about what time to expect the trade roughly, when I told them it wasn't enough currency they offered 50k more since I Gave them everything and I ran back to a different town in Albion I forgot where and got another 50k... At no point did I know anything illegal was going on it seemed legit, and the guy I traded with I believe was in a guild. If at any point I thought what I was doing was illegal at any time I wouldn't have done it although I know now it was illegal because I missed 10.2 still.
I was actually there when he posted this. The way he described everything was highly suspicious; he talked about hypotheticals but not once did he actually explain the situation making him highly suspect. The entire community agreed with the dev/moderator and he has come here to make a scene instead. I'm a bit confused as to why they decided to remove the post though as it'd make a good example of what not to do.
I am by no means an Albion fanboy and have given my 'neutral' response.
He seems incapable of accepting responsibility for his actions. Instead it is the fault of others, therefore he must punish them for his actions, and for the consequences of those actions.
I do accept responsibility for unknowingly breaking the Terms & Conditions on section 10.2, Not for real money, but the part that says I can't trade favors, or outside items from other games, or services for Albion currency, or items In both support tickets, I explained the best I could exactly what happened, and if at any point they needed me to walk them through exactly what I did I could have, except I got the Generic responses of things like "You bought gold illegally" We will not over turn the ban, I tried a few times, My last response from them is if I try to make a new account regardless of if I do anything wrong it will get banned too.
I know it was wrong to break this rule, but again even 10.2 was very hard for me to understand when trying to read through the way they say and explain it, ( I think they need to improve and fix it a bit to make it more understandable.) And I do not believe it deserves a 200 year account ban from the game especially when my account was in good standing for 3 years, I can understand many other punishments, including wiping everything. And I would be fine with it because I understand what happened was wrong regardless of if I did or did not know which obviously I didn't but it was still there in the agreement.
At this point, I'm struggling to understand what point the OP is trying to get across. You cheated, got caught, admitted to cheating and had an actual Dev from the game call you out. Yet you are innocent lol? Please don't write another 10 pages of nonsense as a response. Leave that to Wizardry. That's his trademark.
The point I am trying to get across is people need to be aware of this game especially 10.2, The developers need to respectfully make the rules a bit more easier to understand, we all know Real Money Trading is illegal, but with 10.2 anything that is suspected as RMT, you have to be ready to explain yourself and its guilty before innocent, as well as Cross game trading is not allowed or favors, and such for free currency / items.
Now it makes complete sense as to why the OP has other threads on other games , denouncing , demanding the removal of, and belittling devs for including anti cheat programs in there games ..
I said the exact same thing in a different thread lol.
I have no problem with Anti-Cheat programs despite what some may think because I got into trouble in Albion.
My problem is the way some of them work, "Game Guard" is a Root kit that doesn't ask consent to install it, included in many Korean games, and downloads files Maliciously into parts of your operating system without providing full removal instructions, even after removing a game it often stays behind.
Xing Code, does the same thing I tried games with it recently in fact Black Desert, I found that it copied a service onto my computer, without my consent or asking automatically upon launching the game, placed xhunter1.xem into my C:\windows directory, and removing the game did not remove these files or services.
What is worse is XingCode, is also on Android, and it caused damaged to my device, If you want to talk about me violating a game rule and cheating by getting currency yin a cross game trade, Nexon Violates everyone's privacy by installing Xingcode on their games in android which is against Google's App Developer policy, If they want to use it they are allowed to, but they must fully disclose full functions of how it works, and ask consent before the app patches and downloads it they don't do any of this.
Actually want to add one more thing (if someone has said it, sorry, didn't read all replies).
Basically thanks to OP, shows that Albion admins/management actually care about their game and are actually combating RMT which plagues a lot of games. You'll see some management "try" but never really do much about it.
OP just proved Albion is on the right track.
Kudos.
Actually I agree, and Disagree, While I hate cheating scumbags, and I agree they should be banned, I think they should have waited for not wiping the game until they had their own Anti-Cheat in the game, there is just too many ways to hack or cheat right now, and I think they need to fix 10.2 to make it more understandable.
Also if I were lying about this I wouldn't waste my time here.
The point I am trying to get across is people need to be aware of this game especially 10.2, The developers need to respectfully make the rules a bit more easier to understand, we all know Real Money Trading is illegal, but with 10.2 anything that is suspected as RMT, you have to be ready to explain yourself and its guilty before innocent, as well as Cross game trading is not allowed or favors, and such for free currency / items.
Now it makes complete sense as to why the OP has other threads on other games , denouncing , demanding the removal of, and belittling devs for including anti cheat programs in there games ..
I said the exact same thing in a different thread lol.
I have no problem with Anti-Cheat programs despite what some may think because I got into trouble in Albion.
My problem is the way some of them work, "Game Guard" is a Root kit that doesn't ask consent to install it, included in many Korean games, and downloads files Maliciously into parts of your operating system without providing full removal instructions, even after removing a game it often stays behind.
Xing Code, does the same thing I tried games with it recently in fact Black Desert, I found that it copied a service onto my computer, without my consent or asking automatically upon launching the game, placed xhunter1.xem into my C:\windows directory, and removing the game did not remove these files or services.
What is worse is XingCode, is also on Android, and it caused damaged to my device, If you want to talk about me violating a game rule and cheating by getting currency yin a cross game trade, Nexon Violates everyone's privacy by installing Xingcode on their games in android which is against Google's App Developer policy, If they want to use it they are allowed to, but they must fully disclose full functions of how it works, and ask consent before the app patches and downloads it they don't do any of this.
Actually want to add one more thing (if someone has said it, sorry, didn't read all replies).
Basically thanks to OP, shows that Albion admins/management actually care about their game and are actually combating RMT which plagues a lot of games. You'll see some management "try" but never really do much about it.
OP just proved Albion is on the right track.
Kudos.
Actually I agree, and Disagree, While I hate cheating scumbags, and I agree they should be banned, I think they should have waited for not wiping the game until they had their own Anti-Cheat in the game, there is just too many ways to hack or cheat right now, and I think they need to fix 10.2 to make it more understandable.
Also if I were lying about this I wouldn't waste my time here.
I wish you could see yourself through the eyes of the people reading this shit and finally realize what kind of person you are. I pity you.
I wish you could see yourself through the eyes of the people reading this shit and finally realize what kind of person you are. I pity you.
Honestly what is wrong with not wanting a Rootkit installed on my computer which is basically what Game Guard is, and XingCode is no different really, both these are often bundled with Korean Games, which are installed without letting a person know when launching the game if you don't have Anti-Virus software set to block it it will just install this on a users system without asking first.
Denuvo is the 3rd one I find Malicious because of what Sony did back in the day with Music CD's, and because of Securom at least this is what people tell me in the arguments that Sony makes denuvo and that they previously installed DRM on Music CD's and sold them without peoples knowledge which put stuff on peoples computers which could not be removed. Denuvo isn't just anti-piracy its anti-tamper, and when not playing an online game to cheat it causes a lot of problems for single player games such as people who enjoy modding and such.
But in General ( I have no problem with Anti Cheats) All I ask is that when a game wants to do these they do what "Battleye" "Fairfight", Easy Anti Cheat, and Punk Buster do, while I had a glitch where I wasn't asked permission with Planet Side 2 at one point I took the argument to Reddit and it was fixed shortly after... But in general when installing any game that uses these it asks permission to install it, and the developers of these Anti Cheats are transparent about it they provide uninstall instructions for the Anti-Cheats when you are done playing a game or remove it and no longer want this on your computer its easy to remove...
I understand its because Koreans, are different than Americans, So they tolerate this crap over there that is fine, but I don't tolerate any type of programs being installed on my computer without transparency, and full removal instructions being provided..
Obviously by Removal, I don't mean remove to cheat, because legally if you remove any of these Anti-Cheats, and a game requires them it will ask you to reinstall, and with Game Guard, or XingCode it will just download itself back without asking permission.
Even Blade & Soul is finally looking to remove "Game Guard" because of the many number of complaints about it.
We recently released the 64-bit client version of Blade & Soul which greatly improved game performance for most players. We’re pleased with the results thus far, and are continuously working on making improvements to ensure players can get the most benefit from the 64-bit client. And while we’re talking about technology, we’ve also received a lot of community feedback regarding GameGuard, and we’ve been investigating alternate solutions. We don’t have concrete details we can share just yet, but want you to know it’s a high priority for us.
If they remove it I may finally be able to go play again because I played once when GameGuard wasn't active but as soon as they made it a requirement I uninstalled this game...
Not because I cheat, Because I value my privacy, and security of my computer and data.
Oh and I never used any types of hacks, cheats, or exploits in Albion, I just accepted a trade that apparently came from a Malicious source, but I did not pay Real Money as I have said, I did a trade swap between games although it was still in violation of the rules I wasn't aware of this A lifetime ban though, I think is stupid for something so small One mistake in over 3 years of service, and trust in a company, a small company of nothing more than like 50 developers, and customer service who isn't even willing to consider the possibility maybe I am telling the truth, although I know I am the problem is proving it to this company, they didn't even ask me to explain exactly what happened just generic responses.
These agreements have been going downhill fast ever since DaoC codified the first really unbalanced one.
Well generally yeah, most EULA, TOS, or T&C I have read today are pretty straight forward about things, this is like the first time I have like ever been banned from a game excluding another game like 15 years ago that closed down many years ago, and I have to be honest that 10.2 in Albion was really hard for me to understand different sections of it, Obviously (RMT) is illegal in like most every game, but Truthfully had no idea trading items or favors across games was illegal as it changed many times and I missed it.
I would love to see this game be really successful with zero cheaters in it, and be granted a chance to actually participate in the game by GM / Staff legally, and prove to them that I am a legit player myself, no doubt they are watching for me to come back illegally anyways...
But earlier yesterday morning I decided to install "Revelation Online" for the hell of it and this game was awful, the Pay 2 Enjoy and cosmetic system blows, RNG costumes for like $20+ a costume box sucks, and the amount of gold spam in the chat is just awful was really hard for me to read anything, let alone enjoy the game with this shit, so I understand why (RMT) is frowned on by like every game company out there.
I was actually there when he posted this. The way he described everything was highly suspicious; he talked about hypotheticals but not once did he actually explain the situation making him highly suspect. The entire community agreed with the dev/moderator and he has come here to make a scene instead. I'm a bit confused as to why they decided to remove the post though as it'd make a good example of what not to do.
I am by no means an Albion fanboy and have given my 'neutral' response.
He seems incapable of accepting responsibility for his actions. Instead it is the fault of others, therefore he must punish them for his actions, and for the consequences of those actions.
I am honestly not sure how much damage my trade did to the economy, or how RMT effects the economy like I understand RMT is illegal in this game, but I have always wondered what it would be like in a game with (No Rules against RMT.) Excluding "Hacking" or "Bots" being allowed but true open world trade?
Any thoughts on this?
It's a very complicated issue. I think that's a big part of the reason why you got a ban. Developers are cautious, banning accounts on a first offence.
In successful RPG games, the gameplay mainly revolves around short-term exciting content, combined with long-term progression. If a game has exciting gameplay mechanics, it ensures you will stay to play the initial first few minutes (which is very important). The character progression then ensures you will play in the long-term (staying for the second month).
In MMOs, progression is strongly tied to obtaining stuff. People generally want to start with poor items, working their way up to better items. This can mean weapons with higher numbers (Diablo), armour that is stronger and looks cooler (WoW) or owning large houses to show off (Ultima Online, LOTRO). In games like EVE, visible progression is probably tied to your net worth (collection of ships and assets).
Giving players the ability to purchase progression with money disrupts this concept. It takes away the sense of accomplishment, making you less invested in the game from the emotional perspective. Instead, you become invested financially (which I'd argue is not as healthy in the long run). It also makes it difficult to balance the value of in-game time. I personally found this the worst aspect of RMT games. If I spend 1 month earning a badass house, it's a bummer to see it sold for 10$.
A third-party RMT seller will be extremely efficient at obtaining stuff. By you making an RMT trade (even if it's for items in another game), you are directly increasing the number of efficiently obtained items in the game. If it takes a regular Joe 2 weeks to get a sword, a RMT seller may have it in 3 days. If people then buy these 3-day swords, the work Joe put in is devalued. It hurts the honest players the most.
Some people make the argument that first-party (officially supported) RMT allows people with less time stay competitive. I personally don't agree with that, for the reasons described above. But for the sake of argument, let's say selling in-game progression for money is beneficial and enjoyable as a design choice. If you use an official cash shop, you generate money for the game developer, indirectly benefiting other players (even the non-paying ones). If you, however, use a third-party seller, no money reaches the developer at all. The in-game items get moved, potentially disrupting the economy, but no positives come out of it for anyone.
Overall, it never makes sense to engage in third-party RMT transactions. If the game developer decides to adopt micro-transactions, it should always be done through approved means. Otherwise, you are directly messing up the balance of the game you're trying to play.
I am honestly not sure how much damage my trade did to the economy, or how RMT effects the economy like I understand RMT is illegal in this game, but I have always wondered what it would be like in a game with (No Rules against RMT.) Excluding "Hacking" or "Bots" being allowed but true open world trade?
Any thoughts on this?
It's a very complicated issue. I think that's a big part of the reason why you got a ban. Developers are cautious, banning accounts on a first offence.
In successful RPG games, the gameplay mainly revolves around short-term exciting content, combined with long-term progression. If a game has exciting gameplay mechanics, it ensures you will stay to play the initial first few minutes (which is very important). The character progression then ensures you will play in the long-term (staying for the second month).
In MMOs, progression is strongly tied to obtaining stuff. People generally want to start with poor items, working their way up to better items. This can mean weapons with higher numbers (Diablo), armour that is stronger and looks cooler (WoW) or owning large houses to show off (Ultima Online, LOTRO). In games like EVE, visible progression is probably tied to your net worth (collection of ships and assets).
Giving players the ability to purchase progression with money disrupts this concept. It takes away the sense of accomplishment, making you less invested in the game from the emotional perspective. Instead, you become invested financially (which I'd argue is not as healthy in the long run). It also makes it difficult to balance the value of in-game time. I personally found this the worst aspect of RMT games. If I spend 1 month earning a badass house, it's a bummer to see it sold for 10$.
A third-party RMT seller will be extremely efficient at obtaining stuff. By you making an RMT trade (even if it's for items in another game), you are directly increasing the number of efficiently obtained items in the game. If it takes a regular Joe 2 weeks to get a sword, a RMT seller may have it in 3 days. If people then buy these 3-day swords, the work Joe put in is devalued. It hurts the honest players the most.
Some people make the argument that first-party (officially supported) RMT allows people with less time stay competitive. I personally don't agree with that, for the reasons described above. But for the sake of argument, let's say selling in-game progression for money is beneficial and enjoyable as a design choice. If you use an official cash shop, you generate money for the game developer, indirectly benefiting other players (even the non-paying ones). If you, however, use a third-party seller, no money reaches the developer at all. The in-game items get moved, potentially disrupting the economy, but no positives come out of it for anyone.
Overall, it never makes sense to engage in third-party RMT transactions. If the game developer decides to adopt micro-transactions, it should always be done through approved means. Otherwise, you are directly messing up the balance of the game you're trying to play.
Thanks I agree most game developers in most games seem to actually be cautious when looking over stuff, and banning for a first offense most of the time this is true, because I received a warning maybe once or twice within thousands of transactions on certain games for them being related to RMT, kept playing never got warnings after, until later I decided to quit because it got boring but I still hold those game accounts in good standing except for the one minor warning.
But I do not feel with this specific case that this is what happened with Albion Online, All they can see is logs, and my chat with a person saying they were there to deliver or to trade with me, and they feel personally that it was connected with RMT, but never took the chance to even consider the fact that a Monkey, a Dog, even another person could have set me up with the transaction, or that I may have had no idea for that matter and just accepted the trades in good faith that they were legit because we exchanged goods between games, which was illegal, but at the time I didn't have knowledge of this because I missed the section in the TOS that said this is also illegal, only read the forum post that says me giving real money to 3rd parties for goods or gold / currency is illegal. And truthfully I am not upset about losing any money for supposedly buying currency from some illegal person because such never took place, I am only upset with putting my faith into this game company for over 3 years, and my $75 or so dollars I wasted on this game backing it a game who I never imagined I would get banned for for something so small in a Beta test that is going to be wiped anyways from what I hear.
And yes I somewhat agree giving players the ability to purchase with real money does take the sense of accomplishment away, But this game itself already allows you to buy for real money, even play the market constantly flipping Real Money Into Silver and back...
If this game does release with this method of exchange / trade in the game, Credit Card Fraud, is going to be a real huge problem with this game given you can obtain a persons identity and real card number for $20 online, but I won't disclose such info here obviously, but I can see the big clans of people and dishonest players using this method.
And thanks for the reply, I understand why (RMT) is a bad thing in this game something I would never knowingly take part in, and honestly this experience, as well as reading your post has made me re-think trading across games quite a bit. I actually went back to read many of the User Agreements for "World OF Warcraft" I think "ESO" if I remember correctly banned trading across games does this mean players won't do it no, But truthfully, I had no idea exchanging across games would be highly illegal always thought of it as a honest trade between two friends, or parties involved someone had to work for the stuff, and back in the day exchange Virtual Items between games wasn't actually defines as illegal in most games, and at least I never got banned for it.
I still respectfully do not agree with their hard decision to Life Time, ban my entire account, even after release of the game, given the fact I understand now what happened and that its not allowed Do they honestly think I would do it again, even if they permit me to start a new account, I absolutely would not, and instead of issuing such a hard ban for this during beta, They should have actually made an announcement on their forums and helped make this issue more clear that Trading across games or for favors is also illegal not just buying gold as they said on the forum, because honestly not everyone takes the time to read the entire agreement, Although I did read it before I missed the updated one since I started playing again so I skipped over it every time it would just ask every update so I missed it and had trouble understanding that section myself.
I'm confused because the game hasn't even come out yet why ban someone when a wipe is coming so all items will be lost
they should issue a warning as this will stop any future problems
and they should issue a warning as the first email you get after the wipe so you never know how they detected you
How about because being a cheater in beta guarantees he will hack and cheat at launch as well. Why in the world would anyone not want him banned?
Well I wouldn't go as far to say I used a bot or hack or cheat program. I did break one rule during beta exchanging items or outside of the game for currency in game.
I didn't lie to the company but I too don't understand a lifetime ban for a first time violation in 4 years no other infractions.
If this company actually didn't ban me for life damn right I would never exchange currency across games again since I know it's not allowed now.
In the past with most games they only said RMT was against the rules but not exchange currency between two different games or real world / outside favors although most games have adopted this over the years so the ban made me aware of it and I checked world of Warcraft they even have the rule...
If trading in Albion is cheating let's remove it from the game then.
In most games MMO companies actually give a person a suspension, or warning on a first offense or if you get illegal currency... I am sure the developer is just Suck Up about it and really believe I would waste my real life money on illegal currency that would be wiped after beta. Makes no sense.
As for cheaters / Hackers I know this game will be full of them on launch and personally I still think I am the most honest person who still reported bugs I found after my ban and only found them because my account was banned which they have yet to fix.
Already wrote off my $100 legendary founders as a lesson learned.
Wait did you get banned too, or have a bad experience?
For me it's about losing a 4 year old founders account for breaking one rule I wasn't aware of at the time.
And actually I've been monitoring this game and watching the active numbers on the forums drop for sometime now.
Damn I hate cheaters. Dude. Please. Stop. You lie and cheat. You change your statements from post to post. You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
Damn I hate cheaters. Dude. Please. Stop. You lie and cheat. You change your statements from post to post. You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
I would not want you in any game I play.
What statements exactly lol?
The only thing I did was exchange currency / items across two different games, which broke a rule which I was never aware even existed in the first place as I honestly never bothered to read the damn agreement every time it updated throughout the Alpha / Beta testing, yes I understand its my fault for breaking a rule without knowledge.
But I think that Albion as a game needs to make the Rule of 10-10.2 easier to understand, all they say on their forums is "Do not buy currency with real money."
The only currency I ever purchased in this game was currency from "Sandbox Interactive" for real money. I fail to understand how "accepting a trade" in a game between two players which is "Allowed by the game" otherwise it wouldn't let me is "Cheating" sure it broke a rule which I wasn't aware of at the time of the trading between two different games. This doesn't include the fact that "Support" says you can submit counter evidence, that proves what happened exactly, the fact that support doesn't even seem to review the evidence I sent them showing my transactions and explaining what happened as well as the trade between two different games. This also doesn't include that Albion Online, is open to many exploits, cheaters, and hackers because they use no Anti-Cheat, as well as potential fraud making it easy to disrupt the entire economy because the game doesn't take enough precautions and I figured this all out by doing research since they decided to ban my account Not for hacking, but for accepting a trade between two gameswith no previous infractions of any kind.
. Don't believe this one, just Google, and YouTube, and look for hacks / cheats there are plenty of videos of hackers already, and people using Cheat Engine to cheat in the game itself (Out of all things Cheat Engine?) I can understand perm-ban for someone intentionally hacking with actual cheat programs, but my case is simply accepting a trade its a intended game mechanic.
Do you honestly think I would want to be in a game which treats its loyal 3-4 year old customers who founded the game since its creation like trash? There are honestly better games, which do not come from Germany and created better, have better Anti-Cheats, Less issues with Fraud, and don't treat its customers like trash on the first offense of any little thing, Can't honestly name one game I have ever been banned from for cheating online.
. edit, and when I say come from Germany, I am not talking racism, I am talking about the whole way they word their entire "Terms & Conditions, isn't even wrote in clear English, even when going through the whole section of 10-10.2 I found it confusing to understand compared to if I read any other games Terms OF Service. In the most I would have expected a character wipe, or removal of items on the first offense, but a life ban for simply clicking I accept on a couple of trades between two games with some friends is beyond me. Its not my responsibility to make sure Cheaters / People are not illegally obtaining currency.
Damn I hate cheaters. Dude. Please. Stop. You lie and cheat. You change your statements from post to post. You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
I would not want you in any game I play.
I fail to understand how "accepting a trade" in a game between two players which is "Allowed by the game" otherwise it wouldn't let me is "Cheating" sure it broke a rule which I wasn't aware of at the time of the trading between two different games.
Nah you fail to understand that people are not that stupid and you cannot scam everyone. You are truly insulting people with your statements.
"Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. "
Damn I hate cheaters. Dude. Please. Stop. You lie and cheat. You change your statements from post to post. You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
I would not want you in any game I play.
I fail to understand how "accepting a trade" in a game between two players which is "Allowed by the game" otherwise it wouldn't let me is "Cheating" sure it broke a rule which I wasn't aware of at the time of the trading between two different games.
Nah you fail to understand that people are not that stupid and you cannot scam everyone. You are truly insulting people with your statements.
"Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. "
There is no in game chat logs that says "Hi Let me purchase currency for Real Money I give you $10".
There is only a log that says they were there to deliver or trade goods with me as most the trading part happened outside the game because I was on voice with a couple of people trading between two different games at the time had no idea trading between two games were illegal, if you look on their forums they say (Only purchasing currency with Real Money) is excluding their own service which allows you to buy currency.
I was on voice, and ended up doing two trades with the same person because what they gave me was not enough to do what I wanted in the game, and they agreed to give more since I had turned over a lot of assets across another game previously to them and understood how much time I had put into it.
If I was going to illegally purchase currency from a 3rd party why would I have purchased 3 gold transactions with "Sandbox Interactive" in the same month?
I am not saying its not possible that somewhere between the trades a 3rd party who did something illegal was involved as its not my responsibility to know if a player is cheating or not I would never trade, or do business in any game if I know someone hacked, or illegally obtained goods.
There is absolutely no reason for me to conduct business with illegal 3rd parties, as Sandbox Interactive, CCP, Blizzard even Square Enix, allow players who need currency to throw down $10, or $40 and sell / trade items for in game Gil FFXIV is a bit harder because there is only one Optional Item that allows that.
If Sandbox Interactive wasn't so blind, and actually looked through what I sent them instead of just immediately saying "Guilty" ruining my faith in German MMO's because they can't even word the Terms & Conditons properly making them understandable then I am sure they might have actually let me off with a warning as this was during (Beta) not on release of the game anyways and there is no reason not to give me a chance not to (Break a rule again) but their company is too blind, doesn't trust in its backers, and its customers, and this is honestly not a company I would recommend anyone play with.
Sure from one side your like ahhh its just a cheater, but read their Terms & Conditions, and I bet that in the future others will likely get banned for breaking something too with no chance just because they were involved with (RMT) in some way even if they didn't actually purchase currency.
Damn I hate cheaters. Dude. Please. Stop. You lie and cheat. You change your statements from post to post. You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
I would not want you in any game I play.
I fail to understand how "accepting a trade" in a game between two players which is "Allowed by the game" otherwise it wouldn't let me is "Cheating" sure it broke a rule which I wasn't aware of at the time of the trading between two different games.
Nah you fail to understand that people are not that stupid and you cannot scam everyone. You are truly insulting people with your statements.
"Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. "
My friend. It's pointless to keep arguing with him. He will never take responsibility for what he did. He will just keep writing walls of text trying to convince himself that he is innocent. The games developer called him out. I've never once seen that in these forums. Considering his constant attacks against any anti-cheat software, it's easy to take the developers word over his. I can't imagine even one person on this forum believes him.
If Sandbox Interactive wasn't so blind, and actually looked through what I sent them instead of just immediately saying "Guilty" ruining my faith in German MMO's because they can't even word the Terms & Conditons properly making them understandable then I am sure they might have actually let me off with a warning as this was during (Beta) not on release of the game anyways and there is no reason not to give me a chance not to (Break a rule again) but their company is too blind, doesn't trust in its backers, and its customers, and this is honestly not a company I would recommend anyone play with.
If you are genuinely innocent, you can move on with a good conscience.
That's what I would do. If I got banned unrightfully in a game, with no luck appealing, I'd just call it a day. You don't want to be part of a game that bans innocent people - it could happen at any point in the future again. Sure, it sucks to lose the money you spent, but I can assure you you'll lose a lot more in life.
This happened to me once - someone stole my account credentials. After providing the customer service with all the information, including credit card statements, copies of my IDs and private account information, they told me it's not enough to confirm ownership. Funny enough, a few months later, I managed to gain access by using a linked account, logging into my alt's account and switching into my main without having to type in the password (pretty strange security right there if you ask me). Anyway, at that point I just decided I don't want to play the game anymore. I felt a little let down and didn't want to be part of the game. So I moved on.
That said, this happened once, out of maybe 150 MMOs I played over the years. Knowing how often you have issues with MMO developers, it may be sound to say the way you engage with the games may be worth reflecting on.
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Basically thanks to OP, shows that Albion admins/management actually care about their game and are actually combating RMT which plagues a lot of games. You'll see some management "try" but never really do much about it.
OP just proved Albion is on the right track.
Kudos.
And yes I can understand being highly suspicious especially with the way the Dev, explained what happened, all I know from my end, is that I was on comms outside of the game with a few people, and I swapped a gear and stuff from the other game I was playing worth a lot more currency for Albion currency at this time I didn't know making a trade of virtual items was illegal because I missed 10.2, I know RMT was illegal though and so I never exchanged any Real Money... Where the currency came from I am not sure, I was just told by them outside of the game to wait in game and about what time to expect the trade roughly, when I told them it wasn't enough currency they offered 50k more since I Gave them everything and I ran back to a different town in Albion I forgot where and got another 50k... At no point did I know anything illegal was going on it seemed legit, and the guy I traded with I believe was in a guild. If at any point I thought what I was doing was illegal at any time I wouldn't have done it although I know now it was illegal because I missed 10.2 still.
I do accept responsibility for unknowingly breaking the Terms & Conditions on section 10.2, Not for real money, but the part that says I can't trade favors, or outside items from other games, or services for Albion currency, or items In both support tickets, I explained the best I could exactly what happened, and if at any point they needed me to walk them through exactly what I did I could have, except I got the Generic responses of things like "You bought gold illegally" We will not over turn the ban, I tried a few times, My last response from them is if I try to make a new account regardless of if I do anything wrong it will get banned too.
I know it was wrong to break this rule, but again even 10.2 was very hard for me to understand when trying to read through the way they say and explain it, ( I think they need to improve and fix it a bit to make it more understandable.) And I do not believe it deserves a 200 year account ban from the game especially when my account was in good standing for 3 years, I can understand many other punishments, including wiping everything. And I would be fine with it because I understand what happened was wrong regardless of if I did or did not know which obviously I didn't but it was still there in the agreement.
The point I am trying to get across is people need to be aware of this game especially 10.2, The developers need to respectfully make the rules a bit more easier to understand, we all know Real Money Trading is illegal, but with 10.2 anything that is suspected as RMT, you have to be ready to explain yourself and its guilty before innocent, as well as Cross game trading is not allowed or favors, and such for free currency / items.
I have no problem with Anti-Cheat programs despite what some may think because I got into trouble in Albion.
My problem is the way some of them work, "Game Guard" is a Root kit that doesn't ask consent to install it, included in many Korean games, and downloads files Maliciously into parts of your operating system without providing full removal instructions, even after removing a game it often stays behind.
Xing Code, does the same thing I tried games with it recently in fact Black Desert, I found that it copied a service onto my computer, without my consent or asking automatically upon launching the game, placed xhunter1.xem into my C:\windows directory, and removing the game did not remove these files or services.
What is worse is XingCode, is also on Android, and it caused damaged to my device, If you want to talk about me violating a game rule and cheating by getting currency yin a cross game trade, Nexon Violates everyone's privacy by installing Xingcode on their games in android which is against Google's App Developer policy, If they want to use it they are allowed to, but they must fully disclose full functions of how it works, and ask consent before the app patches and downloads it they don't do any of this.
Actually I agree, and Disagree, While I hate cheating scumbags, and I agree they should be banned, I think they should have waited for not wiping the game until they had their own Anti-Cheat in the game, there is just too many ways to hack or cheat right now, and I think they need to fix 10.2 to make it more understandable.
Also if I were lying about this I wouldn't waste my time here.
Denuvo is the 3rd one I find Malicious because of what Sony did back in the day with Music CD's, and because of Securom at least this is what people tell me in the arguments that Sony makes denuvo and that they previously installed DRM on Music CD's and sold them without peoples knowledge which put stuff on peoples computers which could not be removed. Denuvo isn't just anti-piracy its anti-tamper, and when not playing an online game to cheat it causes a lot of problems for single player games such as people who enjoy modding and such.
But in General ( I have no problem with Anti Cheats) All I ask is that when a game wants to do these they do what "Battleye" "Fairfight", Easy Anti Cheat, and Punk Buster do, while I had a glitch where I wasn't asked permission with Planet Side 2 at one point I took the argument to Reddit and it was fixed shortly after... But in general when installing any game that uses these it asks permission to install it, and the developers of these Anti Cheats are transparent about it they provide uninstall instructions for the Anti-Cheats when you are done playing a game or remove it and no longer want this on your computer its easy to remove...
I understand its because Koreans, are different than Americans, So they tolerate this crap over there that is fine, but I don't tolerate any type of programs being installed on my computer without transparency, and full removal instructions being provided..
Obviously by Removal, I don't mean remove to cheat, because legally if you remove any of these Anti-Cheats, and a game requires them it will ask you to reinstall, and with Game Guard, or XingCode it will just download itself back without asking permission.
Even Blade & Soul is finally looking to remove "Game Guard" because of the many number of complaints about it.
http://www.bladeandsoul.com/en/news/producers-letter-march-2017/
Not because I cheat, Because I value my privacy, and security of my computer and data.
Oh and I never used any types of hacks, cheats, or exploits in Albion, I just accepted a trade that apparently came from a Malicious source, but I did not pay Real Money as I have said, I did a trade swap between games although it was still in violation of the rules I wasn't aware of this A lifetime ban though, I think is stupid for something so small One mistake in over 3 years of service, and trust in a company, a small company of nothing more than like 50 developers, and customer service who isn't even willing to consider the possibility maybe I am telling the truth, although I know I am the problem is proving it to this company, they didn't even ask me to explain exactly what happened just generic responses.
I would love to see this game be really successful with zero cheaters in it, and be granted a chance to actually participate in the game by GM / Staff legally, and prove to them that I am a legit player myself, no doubt they are watching for me to come back illegally anyways...
But earlier yesterday morning I decided to install "Revelation Online" for the hell of it and this game was awful, the Pay 2 Enjoy and cosmetic system blows, RNG costumes for like $20+ a costume box sucks, and the amount of gold spam in the chat is just awful was really hard for me to read anything, let alone enjoy the game with this shit, so I understand why (RMT) is frowned on by like every game company out there.
Men do not stop playing because they grow old. They grow old because they stop playing. -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
In successful RPG games, the gameplay mainly revolves around short-term exciting content, combined with long-term progression. If a game has exciting gameplay mechanics, it ensures you will stay to play the initial first few minutes (which is very important). The character progression then ensures you will play in the long-term (staying for the second month).
In MMOs, progression is strongly tied to obtaining stuff. People generally want to start with poor items, working their way up to better items. This can mean weapons with higher numbers (Diablo), armour that is stronger and looks cooler (WoW) or owning large houses to show off (Ultima Online, LOTRO). In games like EVE, visible progression is probably tied to your net worth (collection of ships and assets).
Giving players the ability to purchase progression with money disrupts this concept. It takes away the sense of accomplishment, making you less invested in the game from the emotional perspective. Instead, you become invested financially (which I'd argue is not as healthy in the long run). It also makes it difficult to balance the value of in-game time. I personally found this the worst aspect of RMT games. If I spend 1 month earning a badass house, it's a bummer to see it sold for 10$.
A third-party RMT seller will be extremely efficient at obtaining stuff. By you making an RMT trade (even if it's for items in another game), you are directly increasing the number of efficiently obtained items in the game. If it takes a regular Joe 2 weeks to get a sword, a RMT seller may have it in 3 days. If people then buy these 3-day swords, the work Joe put in is devalued. It hurts the honest players the most.
Some people make the argument that first-party (officially supported) RMT allows people with less time stay competitive. I personally don't agree with that, for the reasons described above. But for the sake of argument, let's say selling in-game progression for money is beneficial and enjoyable as a design choice. If you use an official cash shop, you generate money for the game developer, indirectly benefiting other players (even the non-paying ones). If you, however, use a third-party seller, no money reaches the developer at all. The in-game items get moved, potentially disrupting the economy, but no positives come out of it for anyone.
Overall, it never makes sense to engage in third-party RMT transactions. If the game developer decides to adopt micro-transactions, it should always be done through approved means. Otherwise, you are directly messing up the balance of the game you're trying to play.
Thanks I agree most game developers in most games seem to actually be cautious when looking over stuff, and banning for a first offense most of the time this is true, because I received a warning maybe once or twice within thousands of transactions on certain games for them being related to RMT, kept playing never got warnings after, until later I decided to quit because it got boring but I still hold those game accounts in good standing except for the one minor warning.
But I do not feel with this specific case that this is what happened with Albion Online, All they can see is logs, and my chat with a person saying they were there to deliver or to trade with me, and they feel personally that it was connected with RMT, but never took the chance to even consider the fact that a Monkey, a Dog, even another person could have set me up with the transaction, or that I may have had no idea for that matter and just accepted the trades in good faith that they were legit because we exchanged goods between games, which was illegal, but at the time I didn't have knowledge of this because I missed the section in the TOS that said this is also illegal, only read the forum post that says me giving real money to 3rd parties for goods or gold / currency is illegal. And truthfully I am not upset about losing any money for supposedly buying currency from some illegal person because such never took place, I am only upset with putting my faith into this game company for over 3 years, and my $75 or so dollars I wasted on this game backing it a game who I never imagined I would get banned for for something so small in a Beta test that is going to be wiped anyways from what I hear.
And yes I somewhat agree giving players the ability to purchase with real money does take the sense of accomplishment away, But this game itself already allows you to buy for real money, even play the market constantly flipping Real Money Into Silver and back...
If this game does release with this method of exchange / trade in the game, Credit Card Fraud, is going to be a real huge problem with this game given you can obtain a persons identity and real card number for $20 online, but I won't disclose such info here obviously, but I can see the big clans of people and dishonest players using this method.
And thanks for the reply, I understand why (RMT) is a bad thing in this game something I would never knowingly take part in, and honestly this experience, as well as reading your post has made me re-think trading across games quite a bit. I actually went back to read many of the User Agreements for "World OF Warcraft" I think "ESO" if I remember correctly banned trading across games does this mean players won't do it no, But truthfully, I had no idea exchanging across games would be highly illegal always thought of it as a honest trade between two friends, or parties involved someone had to work for the stuff, and back in the day exchange Virtual Items between games wasn't actually defines as illegal in most games, and at least I never got banned for it.
I still respectfully do not agree with their hard decision to Life Time, ban my entire account, even after release of the game, given the fact I understand now what happened and that its not allowed Do they honestly think I would do it again, even if they permit me to start a new account, I absolutely would not, and instead of issuing such a hard ban for this during beta, They should have actually made an announcement on their forums and helped make this issue more clear that Trading across games or for favors is also illegal not just buying gold as they said on the forum, because honestly not everyone takes the time to read the entire agreement, Although I did read it before I missed the updated one since I started playing again so I skipped over it every time it would just ask every update so I missed it and had trouble understanding that section myself.
they should issue a warning as this will stop any future problems
and they should issue a warning as the first email you get after the wipe so you never know how they detected you
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I didn't lie to the company but I too don't understand a lifetime ban for a first time violation in 4 years no other infractions.
If this company actually didn't ban me for life damn right I would never exchange currency across games again since I know it's not allowed now.
In the past with most games they only said RMT was against the rules but not exchange currency between two different games or real world / outside favors although most games have adopted this over the years so the ban made me aware of it and I checked world of Warcraft they even have the rule...
If trading in Albion is cheating let's remove it from the game then.
In most games MMO companies actually give a person a suspension, or warning on a first offense or if you get illegal currency... I am sure the developer is just Suck Up about it and really believe I would waste my real life money on illegal currency that would be wiped after beta. Makes no sense.
As for cheaters / Hackers I know this game will be full of them on launch and personally I still think I am the most honest person who still reported bugs I found after my ban and only found them because my account was banned which they have yet to fix.
On my mobile at the moment.
I self identify as a monkey.
You cheat in a game and accuse the developer of dishonesty. Then when you are caught you want reconciliation. You plead ignorance. You are beyond redemption and your statements in this forum clearly shows you are not taking responsibility and change. I am pretty sure when your pleas here will not work you will go doing "your stuff" in another game otherwise you would stop and simply take the punishment you clearly deserve.
I would not want you in any game I play.
The only thing I did was exchange currency / items across two different games, which broke a rule which I was never aware even existed in the first place as I honestly never bothered to read the damn agreement every time it updated throughout the Alpha / Beta testing, yes I understand its my fault for breaking a rule without knowledge.
But I think that Albion as a game needs to make the Rule of 10-10.2 easier to understand, all they say on their forums is "Do not buy currency with real money."
The only currency I ever purchased in this game was currency from "Sandbox Interactive" for real money.
I fail to understand how "accepting a trade" in a game between two players which is "Allowed by the game" otherwise it wouldn't let me is "Cheating" sure it broke a rule which I wasn't aware of at the time of the trading between two different games.
This doesn't include the fact that "Support" says you can submit counter evidence, that proves what happened exactly, the fact that support doesn't even seem to review the evidence I sent them showing my transactions and explaining what happened as well as the trade between two different games.
This also doesn't include that Albion Online, is open to many exploits, cheaters, and hackers because they use no Anti-Cheat, as well as potential fraud making it easy to disrupt the entire economy because the game doesn't take enough precautions and I figured this all out by doing research since they decided to ban my account Not for hacking, but for accepting a trade between two games with no previous infractions of any kind.
. Don't believe this one, just Google, and YouTube, and look for hacks / cheats there are plenty of videos of hackers already, and people using Cheat Engine to cheat in the game itself (Out of all things Cheat Engine?) I can understand perm-ban for someone intentionally hacking with actual cheat programs, but my case is simply accepting a trade its a intended game mechanic.
Do you honestly think I would want to be in a game which treats its loyal 3-4 year old customers who founded the game since its creation like trash? There are honestly better games, which do not come from Germany and created better, have better Anti-Cheats, Less issues with Fraud, and don't treat its customers like trash on the first offense of any little thing, Can't honestly name one game I have ever been banned from for cheating online.
. edit, and when I say come from Germany, I am not talking racism, I am talking about the whole way they word their entire "Terms & Conditions, isn't even wrote in clear English, even when going through the whole section of 10-10.2 I found it confusing to understand compared to if I read any other games Terms OF Service.
In the most I would have expected a character wipe, or removal of items on the first offense, but a life ban for simply clicking I accept on a couple of trades between two games with some friends is beyond me. Its not my responsibility to make sure Cheaters / People are not illegally obtaining currency.
"Your in-game chatlogs, and the identity of the account that gave you the gold, leaves us with no doubt that you did indeed purchase gold from a 3rd party website. "
There is only a log that says they were there to deliver or trade goods with me as most the trading part happened outside the game because I was on voice with a couple of people trading between two different games at the time had no idea trading between two games were illegal, if you look on their forums they say (Only purchasing currency with Real Money) is excluding their own service which allows you to buy currency.
I was on voice, and ended up doing two trades with the same person because what they gave me was not enough to do what I wanted in the game, and they agreed to give more since I had turned over a lot of assets across another game previously to them and understood how much time I had put into it.
If I was going to illegally purchase currency from a 3rd party why would I have purchased 3 gold transactions with "Sandbox Interactive" in the same month?
I am not saying its not possible that somewhere between the trades a 3rd party who did something illegal was involved as its not my responsibility to know if a player is cheating or not I would never trade, or do business in any game if I know someone hacked, or illegally obtained goods.
There is absolutely no reason for me to conduct business with illegal 3rd parties, as Sandbox Interactive, CCP, Blizzard even Square Enix, allow players who need currency to throw down $10, or $40 and sell / trade items for in game Gil FFXIV is a bit harder because there is only one Optional Item that allows that.
If Sandbox Interactive wasn't so blind, and actually looked through what I sent them instead of just immediately saying "Guilty" ruining my faith in German MMO's because they can't even word the Terms & Conditons properly making them understandable then I am sure they might have actually let me off with a warning as this was during (Beta) not on release of the game anyways and there is no reason not to give me a chance not to (Break a rule again) but their company is too blind, doesn't trust in its backers, and its customers, and this is honestly not a company I would recommend anyone play with.
Sure from one side your like ahhh its just a cheater, but read their Terms & Conditions, and I bet that in the future others will likely get banned for breaking something too with no chance just because they were involved with (RMT) in some way even if they didn't actually purchase currency.
That's what I would do. If I got banned unrightfully in a game, with no luck appealing, I'd just call it a day. You don't want to be part of a game that bans innocent people - it could happen at any point in the future again. Sure, it sucks to lose the money you spent, but I can assure you you'll lose a lot more in life.
This happened to me once - someone stole my account credentials. After providing the customer service with all the information, including credit card statements, copies of my IDs and private account information, they told me it's not enough to confirm ownership. Funny enough, a few months later, I managed to gain access by using a linked account, logging into my alt's account and switching into my main without having to type in the password (pretty strange security right there if you ask me). Anyway, at that point I just decided I don't want to play the game anymore. I felt a little let down and didn't want to be part of the game. So I moved on.
That said, this happened once, out of maybe 150 MMOs I played over the years. Knowing how often you have issues with MMO developers, it may be sound to say the way you engage with the games may be worth reflecting on.