Last time I tried Vanguard it still ran horribly..... Also DBG is just a bad company, plain and simple...I dont know if anyone has a plan there or not.
Hmm thats odd, i played from launch to the day it closed , and in a good guild to the end , of all guildmates and friends know one complained of performance for at least a year , matter a fact it was quite the opposite , So either the last time you played was at least 2 years before it shuttered or your system just couldnt handle the game
Yeah, the game ran fine for me and my CPU wasn't even that great at the time either. Ran way better than Everquest 2 does even today. The only time Vanguard ran poorly was a few months at launch to time it took to update...really at (roughly) the year mark the game ran great at that point. Though part of that may have been my CPU, they made pretty substantial performance improvements post-launch.
But even WoW ran terribly at launch, so that isn't different. And often you'd have multiple hour queues just to get into the server, to lag out or have the server crash lol
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I find it funny how people are so quick to slag off SOE with regards to V:SoH.
Everyone seems to forget that Sigil Games were responsible for V:SoH, and originally had a deal with Microsoft, which they fucked up (Sigil, not Microsoft), SOE basically bailed Sigil out, V:SoH launched, and was a buggy, unfinished mess of a game.
All of that was the fault of Sigil, not SOE.
Also, if SOE had not bought V:SoH, it would probably have been closed down less than a year after launch (it launched end of Jan 2007, SOE bought it in May that same year).
But sure, keep blaming SOE.
Yeah, I think SOE gets a lot of hate when it isn't really their fault.
SWG was because Lucasarts forced them to change the game since they saw the success of WoW
Ummm no, WoW had nothing to do with it. It was forums. If you remember correctly, SWG was the first MMORPG to have a dedicated forum, and as it turned out all the whiners took to it in droves to cry about how hard it was to become a Jedi. While the people that enjoyed the game were busy playing it not realizing they were about to have the carpet pulled out from under them.
WoW and SWG were never in direct competition.
As to SOE and DBG getting unfair amounts of hate, umm they did bring a lot on themselves, I can see why but at the end of the day, Sony is a huge international corporation and they are in business to make money. If you can wrap your head around that, then a lot of their moves make sense.
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I find it funny how people are so quick to slag off SOE with regards to V:SoH.
Everyone seems to forget that Sigil Games were responsible for V:SoH, and originally had a deal with Microsoft, which they fucked up (Sigil, not Microsoft), SOE basically bailed Sigil out, V:SoH launched, and was a buggy, unfinished mess of a game.
All of that was the fault of Sigil, not SOE.
Also, if SOE had not bought V:SoH, it would probably have been closed down less than a year after launch (it launched end of Jan 2007, SOE bought it in May that same year).
But sure, keep blaming SOE.
To be honest, SOE at the time could have done a lot more to keep VG alive, and I can only speculate that they either had no desire or just didn't feel the bang was worth the buck resource wise.
Sigil was a hot mess and that whole game (VG) was based on Mcquaid being a...less than an agreeable person who basically said: I don't need you guys I can make a blockbuster with no ones help. Most likely while drunk (speculation). Then he hit up MS for help, that fell through (again, probably while drunk, I speculate) and then SWG stepped in to bail him out because as I said earlier he had created a bloody hot mess of the game and needed the Horsepower that SOE could provide to bail it out.
And SOE did keep it on life support for a bit but they never really threw many assets at it. I suspect mainly because Mcquaid, but again it just may have been the bang for the buck.
One thing I think most people agree on is; VG could have been an amazing game and may have given other games of the time a run for their money, but we will never know now as it's as dead as disco, SWG, and @DMKano 's love life.
I agree, SOE could have done more to keep it alive, but should they have?
Do you remember the hassle over head gear? Sigil could not get any head gear in game at all before it launched, some crap to do with the different character model heads, I seem to remember it took SOE a while to actually get them done and in game.
All the problems with chunk lines and crossing them.
And lets be honest, many, many more problems, that should not have made it to launch.
I personally had a lot of fun, I really liked the way Bard played, was a great class, awesome mechanics, but once most of the group I played with left due to bugs and technical issues, it was hard to overlook all the problems the game had.
If SOE had put in more dev time and effort, fixed most of the biggest bugs/problems the game had, then maybe, just maybe it would have recovered enough player base wise to warrant more resources being thrown at it, but to be honest, looking at how the game launched, and how the player numbers dropped, I doubt it would have been worth it.
Being honest, I Don't think they should have. I liked the game a lot and thought there were some really good ideas there that really just needed some polish, but by the time all of this could have been realized, SOE could have started from ground zero and made an entirely new game. So No, I think it went the way it should have. Again, I am blaming Mcquaid making it a mess, to begin with.
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The last rig I had that struggled to run VG with visuals cranked up was an i7/920 with a GTX-260. I played it with this rig (4790 with a GTX970) and it runs great. Same with EQ2.
My problem with VG was that's it's a game that needs a vibrant community to work well. It's vulnerable to underpopulation. You just need a certain minimum player critical mass in order for all the neat stuff about the game to stand out. Just my opinion of course, mileage varies and all that.
Even though Pantheon isn't VG or EQ, I'm more interested in that than going back to VG.
Not being mean, but for some reason , Pantheon looks terrible to me.
I suspect whatever EQ3 is, when it's announced, it might be a back to the basics approach. I can hope, anyway. They're building it, as they'd be stupid not to, but what shape it takes compared to the direction of EQN is entirely up in the air.
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I suspect whatever EQ3 is, when it's announced, it might be a back to the basics approach. I can hope, anyway. They're building it, as they'd be stupid not to, but what shape it takes compared to the direction of EQN is entirely up in the air.
Whatever direction they decide to take...it is time.
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Never going to happen - due to technical issues on the operations side on what it takes to run the servers and support the code.
It's a mess that even staff who supported VG back in the day would never want to relive again.
Same Exact thing was said about AC2 , then 9 years later we got an official server ..
Yep but it was short lived as it shut down again on Jan 31st this year.
Thats not the point , so why go there , its not a good look , The point is , they said it couldnt be done due to technical issues , But turbine did get it up and it ran for over 2 years till they shuttered both AC games ..
It had nothing to with the technical side of it , so why mention it , it doesnt support your stance ..
I forgot this game existed. I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one, and I'm willing to bet there is a reason that I forgot it existed until you mentioned it, and I remember Tibia and Risk Your Life.
As much as me and many of my friends are dying for a game similar to Vanguard to launch(Pantheon, we're looking at you), and as much as I absolutely loved Vanguard, even with all its plaguing issues an what not, I vote no for Daybreak bringing it back and here's why; Daybreak Games. The company has turned into a shill, they're terrible, haven't done jack shit for any of their games in awhile and practically everything they're doing right now is just providing life support for the titles they have left. Granted, EQ is their most profiting game they have, they still are not adding much to these games. And I wouldn't call providing progression servers adding anything. They're fun but they dont add anything new.
So, no for bringing Vanguard back not because I dont miss the game or what not but because of the company that would be bringing it back.
As much as me and many of my friends are dying for a game similar to Vanguard to launch(Pantheon, we're looking at you), and as much as I absolutely loved Vanguard, even with all its plaguing issues an what not, I vote no for Daybreak bringing it back and here's why; Daybreak Games. The company has turned into a shill, they're terrible, haven't done jack shit for any of their games in awhile and practically everything they're doing right now is just providing life support for the titles they have left. Granted, EQ is their most profiting game they have, they still are not adding much to these games. And I wouldn't call providing progression servers adding anything. They're fun but they dont add anything new.
So, no for bringing Vanguard back not because I dont miss the game or what not but because of the company that would be bringing it back.
Nah, I would pay for it "as it was" when it was shut down if it came to it.
Heck, I downloaded the emulated game and would be playing it right now but there are some issues that seem game breaking. Well, one in particular: when I'm in combat I don't seem to hit my target then "suddenly" a lot of health is off my target as if information is "catching up". Problem is, I don't know if I'm really not connecting or if it's a glitch.
So if I'm patient I "could" be winning or just die.
It's a pretty fundamental issue.
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Vanguard was fundamentally buggy. SOE did try fix it a lot (they have been maligned for it) but it was still quite buggy but despite that it was a fun game but unfortunately it lacked a critical population to make it work as a world as it declined. I played it when it still had enough people but by the time it got shut down it was no longer considered feasible.
Now if they bring it back it will be slaughtered on the forums. Even when it was released it suffered so much criticism and now with places like Reddit and other sites that might deign to cover it , I doubt it will receive much kindness or tolerance and perhaps face some more bitterness from the old players against SOE. I doubt Daybreak would want to handle that drama.
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really? lol ...
You want to bet $100 that no one is bring back vanguard. Heck, I will give you 2 months to talk daybreak into restoring Vanguard, as a sub-only game no less.
Vanguard was fundamentally buggy. SOE did try fix it a lot (they have been maligned for it) but it was still quite buggy but despite that it was a fun game but unfortunately it lacked a critical population to make it work as a world as it declined. I played it when it still had enough people but by the time it got shut down it was no longer considered feasible.
Now if they bring it back it will be slaughtered on the forums. Even when it was released it suffered so much criticism and now with places like Reddit and other sites that might deign to cover it , I doubt it will receive much kindness or tolerance and perhaps face some more bitterness from the old players against SOE. I doubt Daybreak would want to handle that drama.
SoE advertised that they were "working on it" but that was far from the truth. From the head guy's(working on Vanguard) posts from SoE, they had 2 guys... I repeat, 2 guys from SoE working on the game when they took over. And that came from them admitting it. You can't support an mmo with 2 guys. Again, all they were doing was providing life support to the game. So you can't say they were fixing shit because they weren't. Daybreak is now a piece of shit company. They were semi decent some years ago but now they're just pathetic.
Game was a flop. Bring its cold, dead corpse back to life and it's just going to flop again, harder this time. Time has judged this game and passed it by. Just let it go.
I suspect whatever EQ3 is, when it's announced, it might be a back to the basics approach. I can hope, anyway. They're building it, as they'd be stupid not to, but what shape it takes compared to the direction of EQN is entirely up in the air.
You think Daybreak Games is capable of building a new MMO from the ground up, and not have it be a total disaster? If so, we have very different opinions of the company.
I suspect whatever EQ3 is, when it's announced, it might be a back to the basics approach. I can hope, anyway. They're building it, as they'd be stupid not to, but what shape it takes compared to the direction of EQN is entirely up in the air.
You think Daybreak Games is capable of building a new MMO from the ground up, and not have it be a total disaster? If so, we have very different opinions of the company.
It wouldn't be from the ground up. The gameplay might be, more "classic" than EQN was stated to be, but they would have a large portion already done. Would be a waste of money to start "EQ3" from scratch.
Vanguard was fundamentally buggy. SOE did try fix it a lot (they have been maligned for it) but it was still quite buggy but despite that it was a fun game but unfortunately it lacked a critical population to make it work as a world as it declined. I played it when it still had enough people but by the time it got shut down it was no longer considered feasible.
Now if they bring it back it will be slaughtered on the forums. Even when it was released it suffered so much criticism and now with places like Reddit and other sites that might deign to cover it , I doubt it will receive much kindness or tolerance and perhaps face some more bitterness from the old players against SOE. I doubt Daybreak would want to handle that drama.
This What SoE inherited from Brad was a very buggy game which they tried to fix.Hard to do when someone else built it. The game before it closed actually ran well but lack the population to make it viable SoE today aka DBG is a far worse company then it was back then and will only open vanguard again if they felt there was loads of money to be made That said there is always a version that is playable now if you know where to look .maybe check the private server section on this site ? /hint
The game died because the community was small and against any new changes which kept new players away. Good riddance. It had one of the most elitist communities who thought their ego is enough to keep the servers up.
I bought Vanguard and it was buggy as hell, every patch they did fixed 1 thing broke 10 things.
Mobs would warped all over the place, you would fall through the game world, it did have a couple of nice features but the game itself was Meh, they couldnt even get the rain/snow or whatever to stop when inside caves or buildings, you would still have it on your screen.
Many other bugs put me off and likewise many many other players, waste of money buying the game and then, yes i paid for 3 months subscription at the start (so had 4 mths playtime in total) i did not last the distance but did waste 3mths of my time there before i left and never even looked back, still have that game box somewhere (probably got dust and cobwebs all over it though) having not been touched in years LOL.
Now if daybreak were to bring it back then they would have to fix a game that was broken from the start.
Oh i just remembered i had a free 7 days comeback trial that i took up, lasted 2-3 days, yes the community of what players were online was like a virus.... toxic to new or returning players. Not helpful, always trying to get rid of the new players, even had a discussion in chat about if they did not calm down and keep putting new or returning players off then eventually the game will cease and we were told never happen, plenty of people here to carry it on........ looks like those fanboi's were wrong. Kill the community scare off new/returning players with their toxic stuff and lose your game too.
not sure how you could take his frank but simple statement as hostile or threatening. if that all it took to chase away noobs then I see why MMO are dying...
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But even WoW ran terribly at launch, so that isn't different. And often you'd have multiple hour queues just to get into the server, to lag out or have the server crash lol
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WoW and SWG were never in direct competition.
As to SOE and DBG getting unfair amounts of hate, umm they did bring a lot on themselves, I can see why but at the end of the day, Sony is a huge international corporation and they are in business to make money. If you can wrap your head around that, then a lot of their moves make sense.
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Not being mean, but for some reason , Pantheon looks terrible to me.
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It had nothing to with the technical side of it , so why mention it , it doesnt support your stance ..
Did people not see what happened with EQNext and Landmark?
They cancelled EQNext with no refunds and put Landmark on steam only to shut it down. That happened, right?
I'd link to a youtube video of them adding stuff to the cash shop in Landmark but they deleted all the videos from both Landmark and EQNext channels.
This company is garbage you would be better off with some volunteer emulator team.
Also if Pantheon is able to incorporate some of the better design elements from VG (like classes) it will be better for it.
That said I also think Pantheon will be better than Vanguard. Since they have that experience to pull from.
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So, no for bringing Vanguard back not because I dont miss the game or what not but because of the company that would be bringing it back.
Heck, I downloaded the emulated game and would be playing it right now but there are some issues that seem game breaking. Well, one in particular: when I'm in combat I don't seem to hit my target then "suddenly" a lot of health is off my target as if information is "catching up". Problem is, I don't know if I'm really not connecting or if it's a glitch.
So if I'm patient I "could" be winning or just die.
It's a pretty fundamental issue.
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Now if they bring it back it will be slaughtered on the forums. Even when it was released it suffered so much criticism and now with places like Reddit and other sites that might deign to cover it , I doubt it will receive much kindness or tolerance and perhaps face some more bitterness from the old players against SOE. I doubt Daybreak would want to handle that drama.
You want to bet $100 that no one is bring back vanguard. Heck, I will give you 2 months to talk daybreak into restoring Vanguard, as a sub-only game no less.
You think Daybreak Games is capable of building a new MMO from the ground up, and not have it be a total disaster? If so, we have very different opinions of the company.
What SoE inherited from Brad was a very buggy game which they tried to fix.Hard to do when someone else built it.
The game before it closed actually ran well but lack the population to make it viable
SoE today aka DBG is a far worse company then it was back then and will only open vanguard again if they felt there was loads of money to be made
That said there is always a version that is playable now if you know where to look .maybe check the private server section on this site ? /hint
Mobs would warped all over the place, you would fall through the game world, it did have a couple of nice features but the game itself was Meh, they couldnt even get the rain/snow or whatever to stop when inside caves or buildings, you would still have it on your screen.
Many other bugs put me off and likewise many many other players, waste of money buying the game and then, yes i paid for 3 months subscription at the start (so had 4 mths playtime in total) i did not last the distance but did waste 3mths of my time there before i left and never even looked back, still have that game box somewhere (probably got dust and cobwebs all over it though) having not been touched in years LOL.
Now if daybreak were to bring it back then they would have to fix a game that was broken from the start.
Oh i just remembered i had a free 7 days comeback trial that i took up, lasted 2-3 days, yes the community of what players were online was like a virus.... toxic to new or returning players. Not helpful, always trying to get rid of the new players, even had a discussion in chat about if they did not calm down and keep putting new or returning players off then eventually the game will cease and we were told never happen, plenty of people here to carry it on........ looks like those fanboi's were wrong. Kill the community scare off new/returning players with their toxic stuff and lose your game too.