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D3 or Grim Dawn ?
delete5230
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I'm not really a big fan of arpg's, however I've never really played one. I always joke around with friends at work that you just spam any ability or circle your self around and blow fire at everything. I joke that their mindless..... Now this is just a joke. But is it really true or is their some strategy ?
Last year I decided to play Blizzards D3 demo, and it was actually fun, but it was also extremely short, too short to decide if I even like arpg's. Last month I decided to try the same demo, picked a new class and it was Wayyyyy to easy. This turned me right off, because of this it only had about 1/2 hours worth of content....... What changed ?.... Was it because of the class I picked or is the demo easier ?
I can't seem to get a very good grip on ARPG or not. I've watched many Youtubes on both D3 and Grim Dawn. I tend to like the graphics of D3 better, but the Demo turned me off because of no strategy and easy.
One last thing, I just watched a Grim Dawn boss fights video and it did show some strategy or at least stay out of range. Not sure if this is stratagy or just the common simple tactic everyone does.
At a higher difficulty level in arpg's, does strategy come into play ?
Last year I decided to play Blizzards D3 demo, and it was actually fun, but it was also extremely short, too short to decide if I even like arpg's. Last month I decided to try the same demo, picked a new class and it was Wayyyyy to easy. This turned me right off, because of this it only had about 1/2 hours worth of content....... What changed ?.... Was it because of the class I picked or is the demo easier ?
I can't seem to get a very good grip on ARPG or not. I've watched many Youtubes on both D3 and Grim Dawn. I tend to like the graphics of D3 better, but the Demo turned me off because of no strategy and easy.
One last thing, I just watched a Grim Dawn boss fights video and it did show some strategy or at least stay out of range. Not sure if this is stratagy or just the common simple tactic everyone does.
At a higher difficulty level in arpg's, does strategy come into play ?
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I'm not a High graphics person, I could normally care less, but D3 does look much better to me because they went with more sharper everything instead of the water color look of GD.
But still I'm concerned with the easy and simplistic nature of aarp'g. And the easy difficulty level of D3.
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Grim Dawn is the 'intermediate' game, and the more story focused one. Grim Dawns strengths being the atmosphere and story, with a very lovecraft/dark theme to it. Classes are somewhat 'build a class' by choosing two classes to mix together, which adds a lot more potential builds than Diablo 3, but also more room for messing a build up, though you can respec for a handful of money easy enough. It does most certainly get more difficult than Diablo 3 does, but still generally you can keep going, but isn't as good at infinite repetition as Diablo 3.
The last one you'll hear about is Path of Exile, which is Free to Play...but its pretty terrible on the side of being one to jump in with. Inventory is small, Loot Drops worth using are rare, the skill/passive tree is daunting to say the least, and messing up a build -can- most assuredly make you have to reroll an entire character. Its the most hardcore of the big three, but unless you're looking for jumping in the deep end, or want the really 'old school' experience, I wouldn't recommend PoE as a starting point.
Overall, I'd recommend Grim Dawn probably. Its not as polished as Diablo 3, but its also not quite so...incredibly easy (Until late, late game). Its a good view of what ARPG's typically are like though, and with an expansion on the horizon adding new stuff, its a nice balance of accessibility and challenge. If you're looking for a long term time waster though, Diablo 3 does pull ahead once you get to the end-game with Greater Rift pushing.
D3 is great very straight forward vanilla ARPG ,with the best action
POE is much more build intensive , but a bit more interesting .
Grim Dawn hits a sweet spot right between D3 action and POE depth
Torchlight 2 , is also very straight forward , a bit older but still a heluva lotta fun
Wolcen , which will be as good as any of the previous mentioned games is in EA , altho very playable and very fun
I may have to go with Grim Dawn, just for the fear of D3 being too easy. E ven if I like D3's graphics better. The last posted mentioned Wolcen, I checked it our real fast on Youtubes and they say it's alpha and more time is needed.
But still are any of them tactical, where abilities really count ?... Don't know, never played one.
With new free expansion it beats D3 and anything available 10fold in content, complexity and fun.
There is really no competition
I always choose ARPGs with dedicated servers so I can play with others and in that category you only have D2, D3, POE and Marvel Heroes.
Anyway to answer the question, D3 probably has better end game and itemization. It certainly has the most fun combat of any ARPG I've played.
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You can play any of those rpgs listed (short of torchlight 1) with your friends too, although if you have weak connections it might be messy. Moddable ARPGs have a much longer shelf life ultimately as you aren't waiting for new content all the time.
No matter what you choose don't go online looking for builds. Figure out your own. In the end that will be a lot more fun than trying to do something that someone else enjoys.
There are numerous hidden things throughout Grim Dawn, quest that you don't get unless you find them and some easter eggs here or there. Not really sure there is to much hidden in D3 stopped playing that after all they did was rehash seasons.
Also as a couple others have said you could pick up both. But if I had to choose one to start it most definitely would be Grim Dawn. To me it is the best single player ARPG on the market today. The only game that I could say beats it out is when it comes to multi-player which is POE.
I have played Titan Quest and TL1&2 as well as Van Helsing and I don't really care about mods. They simply aren't for me. There's a reason why those games don't last long, and it is directly related to the lack of dedicated servers to keep things going and easily offer others to play with up if your buds get bored.
The games without dedicated servers tend to have more limited budgets and commitment from the devs.
If you find Diablo simplistic, yet PoE is a little too messy, you might like Grim Dawn. Or you might not like ARPGs at all.
As far as end game and longevity, to me D3 rules in the long run.
*goes back to playing D3*
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I just hope its not near as easy as the demo, but that was stuck on normal..... hopefully higher levels are good enough for a challenge. Also many give their opinions and many say Grim Dawn, but I only play games like this for a few weeks.