D&D another Turbine Failure or not ???

axyrn · April 2006

(sorry no native english, dont flame, thnx
)
i havent bought the game to be honest, i read all the comments about this game and came to the point, were i am not sure if my money is wasted or not.

Another reason i am careful is TURBINE, i dont trust them anymore.

i am a Solo player, i hate to be forced to group, i was hopeing to see some developers learn their lessons but if this game is RAID and GROUP only then they wont get far, it will be another Turbine failure..

This "DONT LET A FRIEND PLAY SOLO" movie gave me the rest.

Thnx to all the honest people on this site, i am happy i havent bought this game.

Kien · April 2006

I misunderstood your post first time around, so I edited my comments.

You're right, you cannot solo in DDO. You need to group.

axyrn · April 2006

i checked out the game today, nice grafic and sound.

i cant believe the fact that i have to group all time to achieve something.

i dont know how this game should survive for long.

there are simply to many players out there that want to play solo or duo. there to many players out there that do not want to wait endless hours before the Healer arrived at home from work or the DPS´er woke up or the Nuker brought his dog out.....

Grouping ok, but soloing must always be an option.

Matin61 · April 2006

I'm pretty sure that Turbine got this message a long time ago. This did not fit their design vision. You group in DDO or you basically don't play. I wonder when Turbine stopped listening. I think until they learn again they will not have any notable success.

Lothlore · April 2006

Definitely another failure.

Lothlore

gevrik · April 2006

Definitely a good game, and here are some reasons why:

1. Very nice graphics.

2. Good setting (love Eberron).

3. Nice combat system, you can jump around, tumble, block, needs some reaction instead of just point and click combat, like in most other MMORPGs.

4. Very nice dungeons, with cool riddles/puzzles and layout, they really put much love into those.

5. Great mature community, most people I have met are around my age, which is above 30.

6. Grouping oriented, yes I like that, because if I was a solo player person, I would play Oblivion, I still don't get why people see it as a flaw, why do you play an online game solo? Get into a guild or start your own one, and you won't have problems with finding people to play with, you can also use the LFG window to find a group, doesn't take long.

7. No XP grinding, you don't have to kill a gazilion monster spawns to advance, you get experience for completing quests, there are main goals and optional goals, so if you rush through the quest you will not get the maximum amount of experience for the quest, if you take time to explore you are rewarded.

8. System requirements, I can play the game very well on my laptop, 64Bit AMD 3000+, 64mb Nvidia Go, 512mb RAM (even tho I will upgrade to 1gb asap).

Some bad things:

1. Server stability in Europe is not very good at the moment, there are some problems, but Codemasters is doing their best to rectify them, we got 2 days of free subscription added for one evening of unscheduled downtime, so that is fair.

2. Quite a bit of D&D content is missing, like some Eberron races (Shifters and even Gnomes), maybe it will come with expansions or modules?

3. You can respec your character, if you mess it up, you will have to reroll, so you need to do some advanced planning.

Will prolly be called a fanboy again, by the hateboys, but I don't mind, at least I wrote down the reasons why I think it is a good game, instead of just complaining without giving any arguments.

brihtwulf · April 2006

If you read the DDO official forums you're going to see many people who have become completely disheartened by the game. Its many faults outweigh its positive points, and people continue to leave the game in what seems to have become a mass exodus. The only thing that has kept this game from being an instant failure is the D&D franchise name. It has kept some diehard fans attached to it like a lamprey. But this game, as Turbine continues to keep its head in the sand, seems only destined to go the way of Asheron's Call 2. They took a perfectly good franchise and flushed it down the toilet along with any hopes they had of making it a huge success.

Again, if you read the official forums, they are already concerned with the fact that people are having an increasingly difficult time finding groups due to all the people who have been quitting the game. Forced grouping to the proverbial snowball that everyone thought it might be. People quit so it's hard to find a group, so more people quit making it even HARDER, and so it goes on...

lev-27 · April 2006

Too early to know. Give this game a year.

lev-27 · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
6. Grouping oriented, yes I like that, because if I was a solo player person, I would play Oblivion, I still don't get why people see it as a flaw, why do you play an online game solo? Get into a guild or start your own one, and you won't have problems with finding people to play with, you can also use the LFG window to find a group, doesn't take long.

Exactly! The only mistake Turbin made was creating a real MMORPG, not some H&S with monthly fee. (99.9% of all "MMORPGS") For that the reason I love DDO.

gevrik · April 2006

All I ever hear is "if you read the forum", guess what, the 10% of the player base that posts on the forum have all the right to do so, but in the meantime the other 90% of the playerbase are happily playing the game.

Official forums are a bad idea for every game in general, because the vocal minority tries to ruin it for everyone else.

Lothlore · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
All I ever hear is "if you read the forum", guess what, the 10% of the player base that posts on the forum have all the right to do so, but in the meantime the other 90% of the playerbase are happily playing the game.

Official forums are a bad idea for every game in general, because the vocal minority tries to ruin it for everyone else.

more accurate to say that the other 90% are cancelling their subs and leaving for better games,lol.

Lothlore

gevrik · April 2006

Originally posted by Lothlore

Originally posted by gevrik
All I ever hear is "if you read the forum", guess what, the 10% of the player base that posts on the forum have all the right to do so, but in the meantime the other 90% of the playerbase are happily playing the game.

Official forums are a bad idea for every game in general, because the vocal minority tries to ruin it for everyone else.

more accurate to say that the other 90% are cancelling their subs and leaving for better games,lol.

Lothlore

And you know because you play the game? Right... didn't think so. The European servers are bursting, the Taverns are _full_ of people, even in the middle of the night. Why do you hate this game so much, is there any special reason?

Lothlore · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
All I ever hear is "if you read the forum", guess what, the 10% of the player base that posts on the forum have all the right to do so, but in the meantime the other 90% of the playerbase are happily playing the game.

Official forums are a bad idea for every game in general, because the vocal minority tries to ruin it for everyone else.

you have no basis for saying the "other 90% are happily playing,lol-just as reasonable to say they have quit,and that only a 10% vocal minority remain.The problem is,if you truly like this game,instead of blind support,you should allow those with complaints to express them before this becomes like Turbines AC2 which they shut down because everyone left.

Lothlore

gevrik · April 2006

Lothlore it's no use to discuss with you, turning around in circles. Providing feedback and just blindly bashing a game without any arguments won't help the players or the devs.

Telling people to spread the word that this game is bad is nothing like what you are talking about now... padelling backwards is what it's called...

Lothlore · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
Lothlore it's no use to discuss with you, turning around in circles. Providing feedback and just blindly bashing a game without any arguments won't help the players or the devs.

Telling people to "spread the word" that this game is bad is nothing like what you are talking about now... padelling backwards is what it's called...

I have never tried to "spread the word,and I am certainly not blindly bashing. It seems you are the one who wish's to avoid the point. It is your "opinion" that the other "90%" are playing-enjoying the game. I am merely saying you have no fact to base that on. At least i call conjecture what it is,and it is certainly not pedalling-backwards",lol.

Valkanisar · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
Definitely a good game, and here are some reasons why:1. Very nice graphics.2. Good setting (love Eberron).3. Nice combat system, you can jump around, tumble, block, needs some reaction instead of just point and click combat, like in most other MMORPGs.4. Very nice dungeons, with cool riddles/puzzles and layout, they really put much love into those.5. Great mature community, most people I have met are around my age, which is above 30.6. Grouping oriented, yes I like that, because if I was a solo player person, I would play Oblivion, I still don't get why people see it as a flaw, why do you play an online game solo? Get into a guild or start your own one, and you won't have problems with finding people to play with, you can also use the LFG window to find a group, doesn't take long.7. No XP grinding, you don't have to kill a gazilion monster spawns to advance, you get experience for completing quests, there are main goals and optional goals, so if you rush through the quest you will not get the maximum amount of experience for the quest, if you take time to explore you are rewarded.8. System requirements, I can play the game very well on my laptop, 64Bit AMD 3000+, 64mb Nvidia Go, 512mb RAM (even tho I will upgrade to 1gb asap).Some bad things:1. Server stability in Europe is not very good at the moment, there are some problems, but Codemasters is doing their best to rectify them, we got 2 days of free subscription added for one evening of unscheduled downtime, so that is fair.2. Quite a bit of D&D content is missing, like some Eberron races (Shifters and even Gnomes), maybe it will come with expansions or modules?3. You can respec your character, if you mess it up, you will have to reroll, so you need to do some advanced planning.Will prolly be called a fanboy again, by the hateboys, but I don't mind, at least I wrote down the reasons why I think it is a good game, instead of just complaining without giving any arguments.

Lol. How many times in how many different threads did you do this copy and past thing. A sign of being a game mod or forum mod. Copy and paste and cookie cutter responses. Classic stuff. Go back to your own forums.

gevrik · April 2006

I posted this as a reply to this thread and made a post with it as the main text because I think they are good arguments. You just want to get me to flame you, but sorry, won't bite.

So to answer your original question: twice

I like it on here btw, so I'm not going anywhere.

Valkanisar · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik
All I ever hear is "if you read the forum", guess what, the 10% of the player base that posts on the forum have all the right to do so, but in the meantime the other 90% of the playerbase are happily playing the game.Official forums are a bad idea for every game in general, because the vocal minority tries to ruin it for everyone else.

Have to say it again. Sorry. Lol. Again the only people that post this type of crap are game mods, developers and or the forum mods. Well since you guys are the only ones who actually know if there are 10% of the total player base leaving messages in the forums. Its just funny that this same cookie cutter response is given to customers of bogus games.

"Dont believe what you hear". "Only 10% of our total playerbase spends the few seconds it takes to type in our forums. "At least waste $50 of your hard earned cash to buy our poss crap". Well that last one wasn't really quoted from anyone. Its just when i see these type of responses in forums, that last quote is what I really read.
Go patrol your own forums Gevrik. Thanks

gevrik · April 2006

So much hate, were abused much as a child?

It's called market analysis, my friend... Simple calculations, algebra, making charts... Look at WoW forums, they have 5 million customers by now, but the most you see on the forums are about 50.000 regular posters, maybe 5.000 at any given time. That's 10%, and 1%, respectively. It's a fact, no insider information...

Same for NC-Soft games, same for all other MMORPGs that have official forums.

Believe me or not, couldn't care less, one thing is for sure, you're in no position to tell me what to do, or I could tell you to go troll some forum of a game you actually play, like the Oblivion forum, LOL.

Valkanisar · April 2006

Originally posted by gevrik

It's called market analysis, my friend... Simple calculations, algebra, making charts... Look at WoW forums, they have 5 million customers by now, but the most you see on the forums are about 50.000 regular posters, maybe 5.000 at any given time. That's 10%, and 1%, respectively. It's a fact, no insider information...

Here we go with the math again. Im sorry but how the hell did you manage to see 50k regular posters on the wow forums? Your math is seriously flawed. Before you come spewing this crap how about you go over to the WOW forums and count the total number of regular posters. You cannot do that. Period. The only people who know the real numbers are the people working for which ever game company. That is just some more BS from employees trying to cover the fact their game is filled with flaws and other garbage. Or even enough garbage like DDO which is lacking quite heavily in the content department to be charging a monthly fee for.

I almost want to start replying with really bad grammar and spelling just so you can defend your poss game with
"OMG he cant speel"..... "Go back to shcool you abused child"

Just curious, if you like this game as much as you say you do, then why are you not with the other 90% of the poeple who are actuallly enjoying the game that do not post? Let me guess you are at work, that is why you are posting now but when you get home you will be playing Death N Ding Online. sure sure sure.

The truth is you are just waiting for some actual content to be added to the game.

gevrik · April 2006

When I get home I will be going to sleep, cause it will be 1am in the morning, and I have to go to work again at 8am, will be playing again tomorrow evening, when I get home.

You're just a hopeless hater trying to pick a fight on a game forum about a game that you don't even play, says it all about your state of mind...

Valkanisar · April 2006

The only reason I dont play this game is because i already did. Could not stand to even try to level up past 5.
I would also gladly give constructive feedback but that gets so old. I mean there are tons of forums that explain how i feal about this game why repost what John#934847 has already posted. Constructive feedback is like the feedback forums of MMO betas. So many honest feedback and bug reports yet they still dont get fixed up?

Making a constructive post for a diehard lover of poss is the same as a diehard lover of poss telling a flamer to get a life.

gevrik · April 2006

So you rather just troll the games forum some more after you stopped playing, yep, that makes a lot of sense, I do that all the time.

Come on reply some more, maybe then I will take you serious.

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