Why does every thing have to be labeled? If its fun, play it. If it isn't then don't. Does calling it an MMO or Multi player FPS or even green beans make it any more or less enjoyable?
It doesn't affect the fun. But if you are really interested in this topic, the existence of genres, why they matter and their impact on everything you can do a bit of research. It's an interesting topic, so if you really wanted to, I can introduce you some material.
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However you need to frame so you can sleep at night. Are you going to play it? If someone calls it one thing and not another will that affect your decision?
Oh c'mon Torval, your argument is a red herring. Just because folks aren't going to go out and riot because Trump is President, it doesn't mean everyone agrees he was the best pick or even qualifies for the position.
I'm saying it doesn't matter what it's called. Sometimes it's relevant when describing a game, sometimes not. It's not relevant to me. Is it relevant to you whether someone calls it an mmo?
If we're talking about viewing the market, then of course. Including games that aren't really part of the genre skews our view of the industry itself.
It's akin to including pop rock in with indie and attempting to assert that indie rock is becoming mainstream because of it.
I have no qualms with the niche that is MMORPG. It was a niche when I found the genre, and I never really considered it as a mainstream gaming genre after I found it. It's the unique exprience that it brings that is attractive to me; not how closely it can imitate modern action RPGs.
Beyond that, if we're going to start including random games all willy nilly, there's not even a reason to use the term MMO anymore. Just call it all multiplayer and be done with it.
Like I said before, reason through it in whatever way makes you feel it's all sorted. I'm not sure what your point is other than you think it's not an mmo and it's important that everyone else not call it one either.
So it's an mmo, so it's not an mmo, so it has some features found in mmos but missing some others. So what? The developer and publisher aren't calling it one. You know what I think? I think the only people that really care one way or another are some forum warriors desperately trying to keep MMORPGs relevant and in the current events discussion. But no one else is even thinking about the game in terms of MMO or not MMO or really thinking about "MMO gaming" much at all.
I've talked to a few other Destiny gamers and worries center around weapon balance in pvp. My PC gamer friends who didn't play Destiny are interested because it's a coop shooter and it's on the Blizzard Launcher.
If that's the case, why are you even posting to comment?
You seem willing enough to put forth effort to try and label anyone who is discussing the game on a discussion forum with a derogatory term, if it's such a small deal, why are you even taking the time? Just ignore the thread, then, if it's so unimportant to you.
I want the "don't care" option in the poll because if I can play with my friends which, frankly, is all I want in the first place, and if I'm having fun then who gives a rip? Destiny 2 looks fun and I'm looking forward to it despite anyone's interpretation of what an MMO is (or isn't).
I guess I just don't understand these endless arguments. If it's a game that suits YOUR interpretation of an "MMO" and it looks fun for you and you want to play it, who cares what Joe Smith, random internet dude #1249537, says?
Conversely, if you are offended that devs don't call it an MMO and Joe Smith, random internet dude #1249537, feels the same way, then don't play it. It's pretty simple really.
More and more developers are shying away from the pigeonhole title "MMORPG" these days. In the end, no one's opinion matters but your own.
Too much time is wasted being offended over game genres. I have better things to do. :P
I highly doubt anyone here was going to forego the game simply because some refer to it by a genre someone else feels is inappropriate. Who posted saying they won't play it until everyone agrees on what it's classified as? I missed that.
I love you to death as a community manager Suzie, but you're arguing a red herring here, just like a few others attempting to submit a, "I'm too cool for this" vibe.
However you need to frame so you can sleep at night. Are you going to play it? If someone calls it one thing and not another will that affect your decision?
Oh c'mon Torval, your argument is a red herring. Just because folks aren't going to go out and riot because Trump is President, it doesn't mean everyone agrees he was the best pick or even qualifies for the position.
I'm saying it doesn't matter what it's called. Sometimes it's relevant when describing a game, sometimes not. It's not relevant to me. Is it relevant to you whether someone calls it an mmo?
If we're talking about viewing the market, then of course. Including games that aren't really part of the genre skews our view of the industry itself.
It's akin to including pop rock in with indie and attempting to assert that indie rock is becoming mainstream because of it.
I have no qualms with the niche that is MMORPG. It was a niche when I found the genre, and I never really considered it as a mainstream gaming genre after I found it. It's the unique exprience that it brings that is attractive to me; not how closely it can imitate modern action RPGs.
Beyond that, if we're going to start including random games all willy nilly, there's not even a reason to use the term MMO anymore. Just call it all multiplayer and be done with it.
Like I said before, reason through it in whatever way makes you feel it's all sorted. I'm not sure what your point is other than you think it's not an mmo and it's important that everyone else not call it one either.
So it's an mmo, so it's not an mmo, so it has some features found in mmos but missing some others. So what? The developer and publisher aren't calling it one. You know what I think? I think the only people that really care one way or another are some forum warriors desperately trying to keep MMORPGs relevant and in the current events discussion. But no one else is even thinking about the game in terms of MMO or not MMO or really thinking about "MMO gaming" much at all.
I've talked to a few other Destiny gamers and worries center around weapon balance in pvp. My PC gamer friends who didn't play Destiny are interested because it's a coop shooter and it's on the Blizzard Launcher.
If that's the case, why are you even posting to comment?
You seem willing enough to put forth effort to try and label anyone who is discussing the game on a discussion forum with a derogatory term, if it's such a small deal, why are you even taking the time? Just ignore the thread, then, if it's so unimportant to you.
There's a different kind of forum warrior here who just like to indiscriminately belittle those who participate in the discussions. They don't like admitting that they're also forum warriors. Gdemami is the most obvious one with his LOLs but he's not the only one.
I don't think I've seen any one discussing whether Destiny 2 should be labeled an MMO in the past few days say anything negative about Destiny 2 or indicate whether they're looking forward to playing it or not. Yet we get these occasional "it doesn't matter what you cal it. Just play it if you like it" posts as if they had some relevance to the discussion about how it should be classified.
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However you need to frame so you can sleep at night. Are you going to play it? If someone calls it one thing and not another will that affect your decision?
Oh c'mon Torval, your argument is a red herring. Just because folks aren't going to go out and riot because Trump is President, it doesn't mean everyone agrees he was the best pick or even qualifies for the position.
I'm saying it doesn't matter what it's called. Sometimes it's relevant when describing a game, sometimes not. It's not relevant to me. Is it relevant to you whether someone calls it an mmo?
If we're talking about viewing the market, then of course. Including games that aren't really part of the genre skews our view of the industry itself.
It's akin to including pop rock in with indie and attempting to assert that indie rock is becoming mainstream because of it.
I have no qualms with the niche that is MMORPG. It was a niche when I found the genre, and I never really considered it as a mainstream gaming genre after I found it. It's the unique exprience that it brings that is attractive to me; not how closely it can imitate modern action RPGs.
Beyond that, if we're going to start including random games all willy nilly, there's not even a reason to use the term MMO anymore. Just call it all multiplayer and be done with it.
Like I said before, reason through it in whatever way makes you feel it's all sorted. I'm not sure what your point is other than you think it's not an mmo and it's important that everyone else not call it one either.
So it's an mmo, so it's not an mmo, so it has some features found in mmos but missing some others. So what? The developer and publisher aren't calling it one. You know what I think? I think the only people that really care one way or another are some forum warriors desperately trying to keep MMORPGs relevant and in the current events discussion. But no one else is even thinking about the game in terms of MMO or not MMO or really thinking about "MMO gaming" much at all.
I've talked to a few other Destiny gamers and worries center around weapon balance in pvp. My PC gamer friends who didn't play Destiny are interested because it's a coop shooter and it's on the Blizzard Launcher.
If that's the case, why are you even posting to comment?
You seem willing enough to put forth effort to try and label anyone who is discussing the game on a discussion forum with a derogatory term, if it's such a small deal, why are you even taking the time? Just ignore the thread, then, if it's so unimportant to you.
If you had read my initial posts you'd see why. But you're so busy pushing yours and trying to be right that the third poll option whizzed right passed you.
Not really. Those who care not to classify the game need not even take the time to vote, since the poll has no meaning for you.
Not every party needs to be part of every discussion. If this discussion has no bearing for you, it's a waste of your time to attempt to participate in it in the aforementioned "I'm too cool for this" position.
I don't take part in many threads I read because I don't feel I have anything relevant or useful to add.
There in no 3rd (dont care ) option , because i dont see it as necessary option here.
Either you think it is or you think it isnt , If you dont care then dont vote there is no grey area or 3rd bathroom here for this .
And of course you have an opinion , you may not want to share and sit on a grey fence for some reason .. But this poll wasnt for folks who cant or dont want to make up there mind or actually share there opinion ..
It was a clear cut poll For people who want to share there opinion ... Not caring is not an opinion on wether Destiny is an MMO...............Its just not caring .. This poll wasnt for those people It was intended for people who do care ...
Why anyone would want to have an option about not caring is odd all by itself ..If you dont care ,,you dont have an opinion ...right
If you look at the current modern MMO's compared to old MMO's of the nineties, early 2000's you could have the same discussion of what is a MMO.
The majority of modern MMO's use shards/instances of even the outside areas, for example EQ2, SWTOR, both D&D MMO's and BDO to limit how many players are in one area. ESO use mega server technology to limit the players you see in your vicinity. If you exclude the levelling process a high percentage of the players are in small instances of dungeons or PvP arenas. One of the criticisms of WAR on launch was the amount of players levelling in the BG's. Modern MMO's only give the illusion of playing with hundreds of players.
What I'm trying to say is the label of MMO has changed with the development of the genre. Would I call destiny a MMO; no but in the future this could be the standard.
There in no 3rd (dont care ) option , because i dont see it as necessary option here.
There is no third option because you're terrible at making polls.
You assume everyone knows how Destiny and Destiny 2 works, what the player cap is etc. Not everyone even owns a recent console. I'm know I'm exclusively PC gamer at this point, all I know about Destiny is what I know through word of mouth.
Even if you wanted to do a yes or no game you asked the wrong question.
Here is how you would properly make this poll:
"Can Fully Instanced Games With 20ish Players Per Instance Be an MMO?"
Yes No Undecided
You aren't relying on people have knowledge of game they may or may not have and you aren't requiring people on the fence or who have mixed opinions pick a side. That's how you do a proper poll.
In this case it probably wouldn't change the results much (Other than potentially in favor of the Nos) but there are other cases where assumption of knowledge and the requirement to pick a side can really screw up the results.
There in no 3rd (dont care ) option , because i dont see it as necessary option here.
There is no third option because you don't think and you're terrible at making polls.
You assume everyone knows how Destiny and Destiny 2 works, what the player cap is etc. Not everyone even owns a recent console. I'm know I'm exclusively PC gamer at this point, all I know about Destiny is what I know through word of mouth.
lol i did think about it and chose not to , it did not make sense , as i stated above ,, Any other insults you want to dole out ..
And if someone doesnt know how Destiny works , then take 5 minutes and read up or dont vote at all , If you didnt know you most likely werent interested at this pointy anyway and dont have an opinion
There in no 3rd (dont care ) option , because i dont see it as necessary option here.
There is no third option because you're terrible at making polls.
You assume everyone knows how Destiny and Destiny 2 works, what the player cap is etc. Not everyone even owns a recent console. I'm know I'm exclusively PC gamer at this point, all I know about Destiny is what I know through word of mouth.
Even if you wanted to do a yes or no game you asked the wrong question.
Here is how you would properly make this poll:
"Can Fully Instanced Games With 20ish Players Per Instance Be MMO?"
Yes No Undecided
Thats not what i was asking , If you want to make that Poll go make it FFS ..... Nothing stopping you ..Is there?
And that not the Question i wanted answered , that would convolute and cloud the issue ..
Did you vote on the poll , you seem like a smart guy that could form an opion on the subject ..
ANd if they dont have knowledge dont Vote or take the 5 fucking minutes to research the game if it is something that interest you .. Really all to simple and common sense
its simple ..Yes or NO
Why do people want to cloud things up and have there 3rd Bathroom in everything anymore
There in no 3rd (dont care ) option , because i dont see it as necessary option here.
Either you think it is or you think it isnt , If you dont care then dont vote there is no grey area or 3rd bathroom here for this .
And of course you have an opinion , you may not want to share and sit on a grey fence for some reason .. But this poll wasnt for folks who cant or dont want to make up there mind or actually share there opinion ..
It was a clear cut poll For people who want to share there opinion ... Not caring is not an opinion on wether Destiny is an MMO...............Its just not caring .. This poll wasnt for those people It was intended for people who do care ...
Why anyone would want to have an option about not caring is odd all by itself ..If you dont care ,,you dont have an opinion ...right
It should have had 4 options yes, no, hybrid, and irrelevant. It's not a horrible poll but it's not that good either. It fits a self-fulfilling narrative rather than explore what people think about the game with regards to genre classification.
sorry Torv there is no Hybrid to me here and if its irrelvant to someone , then its erhmm irrelevant so why bother
Thats not what i was asking , If you want to make that Poll go make it FFS ..... Nothing stopping you ..Is there?
And that not the Question i wanted answered , that would convolute and cloud the issue ..
Did you vote on the poll , you seem like a smart guy that could form an opion on the subject ..
ANd if they dont have knowledge dont Vote or take the 5 fucking minutes to research the game if it is something that interest you .. Really all to simple and common sense
It's exactly the question you are asking. Just in more simplified terms everyone can understand.
Just because people shouldn't vote, doesn't mean they don't:
Thats not what i was asking , If you want to make that Poll go make it FFS ..... Nothing stopping you ..Is there?
And that not the Question i wanted answered , that would convolute and cloud the issue ..
Did you vote on the poll , you seem like a smart guy that could form an opion on the subject ..
ANd if they dont have knowledge dont Vote or take the 5 fucking minutes to research the game if it is something that interest you .. Really all to simple and common sense
It's exactly the question you are asking. Just in more simplified terms everyone can understand.
Just because people shouldn't vote, doesn't mean they don't:
Because that means you built the poll for selection bias and the results won't be worth anything.
To be fair online polling in which the participants choose themselves is considered non-reliable data in any form. But it certainly helps if the poll asks a clear question the user is qualified to answer and gives proper options.
No, it was created in response to a conversation that was occurring in another thread specifically about whether Destiny was an MMO or not.
Scorchien wanted to know whether the majority agreed it was an MMO or whether they didn't. Your "I don't care" option is located right up at the top right (or left, depending upon your browser), labeled the "Back" button.
No, it was created in response to a conversation that was occurring in another thread specifically about whether Destiny was an MMO or not.
Scorchien wanted to know whether the majority agreed it was an MMO or whether they didn't. Your "I don't care" option is located right up at the top right, labeled the "Back" button.
You have a great amount of misplaced trust in humanity if you believe people won't vote just because they shouldn't.
No, it was created in response to a conversation that was occurring in another thread specifically about whether Destiny was an MMO or not.
Scorchien wanted to know whether the majority agreed it was an MMO or whether they didn't. Your "I don't care" option is located right up at the top right, labeled the "Back" button.
You have a great amount of misplaced trust in humanity if you believe people won't vote just because they shouldn't.
And where did anyone say that you couldn't vote, even if you claim you don't care? There's no way of knowing who should and shouldn't, so long as you don't add a comment here like "Oh I just randomly picked an option because I don't care!" that would clue us in that your response is irrelevant.
But by voting, there's an implication that you care enough to voice the opinion. For those who claim that having an opinion on this is dumb, just don't vote. Done. Their continued responses here only serve to preserve the legitimacy of the topic at hand.
You have a great amount of misplaced trust in humanity if you believe people won't vote just because they shouldn't.
And where did anyone say that you couldn't vote, even if you claim you don't care?
Where did I claim to not care? Where did I assert anyone was trying to prevent me from voting? I'm not saying the topic isn't worth discussing. I'm saying it assumes knowledge on the part of the person voting it shouldn't, which skews results. (Probably in favor of there being more yes votes than there should be.)
There's no way of knowing who should and shouldn't, so long as you don't add a comment here like "Oh I just randomly picked an option because I don't care!" that would clue us in that your response is irrelevant.
But by voting, there's an implication that you care enough to voice the opinion. For those who claim that having an opinion on this is dumb, just don't vote. Done. Their continued responses here only serve to preserve the legitimacy of the topic at hand.
No, there isn't any way of knowing who should and shouldn't vote. But there is the capacity to ask a question that doesn't assume knowledge of the subject you shouldn't assume they have.
It is unsafe to assume that everyone knows enough about Destiny 2 to be qualified to speak on it's MMO status. It is safe to assume that if you instead describe the multiplayer capacity of Destiny and ask them whether or not they feel that's an MMO:
"Is a fully instanced game with 20ish players per instance an MMO?"
That way more people will be qualified to answer the question.
It would be safe to assume that, if this poll was supposed to be any sort of scientific or statistical research survey. It isn't. It was created in response to another thread specifically about the title, on a website for video game nerds. I don't remember @Scorchien mentioning this was part of any study he was going to submit for a scientific journal.
Not every poll posted on a video game website need meet stringent criteria for scientific polling. Scorchien knew the audience he was aiming this poll at.
It would be safe to assume that, if this poll was supposed to be any sort of scientific or statistical research survey. It isn't. It was created in response to another thread specifically about the title, on a website for video game nerds. I don't remember @Scorchien mentioning this was part of any study he was going to submit for a scientific journal.
Not every poll posted on a video game website need meet stringent criteria for scientific polling. Scorchien knew the audience he was aiming this poll at.
What Scorchien uses these polls to do is run around and say "See, everyone agrees with me and therefore my opinion on the subject is correct."
That makes it worth pointing out his polls are crap, and that anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
While I'm assuming I voted the same way he did on this poll, I'm not going to circle the wagons blindly defend crap polling methods like you will apparently.
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You seem willing enough to put forth effort to try and label anyone who is discussing the game on a discussion forum with a derogatory term, if it's such a small deal, why are you even taking the time? Just ignore the thread, then, if it's so unimportant to you.
I love you to death as a community manager Suzie, but you're arguing a red herring here, just like a few others attempting to submit a, "I'm too cool for this" vibe.
I don't think I've seen any one discussing whether Destiny 2 should be labeled an MMO in the past few days say anything negative about Destiny 2 or indicate whether they're looking forward to playing it or not. Yet we get these occasional "it doesn't matter what you cal it. Just play it if you like it" posts as if they had some relevance to the discussion about how it should be classified.
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In my opinion, Destiny 2 is not an MMO, it is just multiplayer online, nothing massively about it (again, in my opinion).
Having said that, if some people are of the opinion that Destiny 2 is an MMO, fair play to them.
Make's no difference to me, or to my opinion.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Not every party needs to be part of every discussion. If this discussion has no bearing for you, it's a waste of your time to attempt to participate in it in the aforementioned "I'm too cool for this" position.
I don't take part in many threads I read because I don't feel I have anything relevant or useful to add.
Either you think it is or you think it isnt , If you dont care then dont vote there is no grey area or 3rd bathroom here for this .
And of course you have an opinion , you may not want to share and sit on a grey fence for some reason .. But this poll wasnt for folks who cant or dont want to make up there mind or actually share there opinion ..
It was a clear cut poll For people who want to share there opinion ... Not caring is not an opinion on wether Destiny is an MMO...............Its just not caring .. This poll wasnt for those people It was intended for people who do care ...
Why anyone would want to have an option about not caring is odd all by itself ..If you dont care ,,you dont have an opinion ...right
The majority of modern MMO's use shards/instances of even the outside areas, for example EQ2, SWTOR, both D&D MMO's and BDO to limit how many players are in one area. ESO use mega server technology to limit the players you see in your vicinity. If you exclude the levelling process a high percentage of the players are in small instances of dungeons or PvP arenas. One of the criticisms of WAR on launch was the amount of players levelling in the BG's. Modern MMO's only give the illusion of playing with hundreds of players.
What I'm trying to say is the label of MMO has changed with the development of the genre. Would I call destiny a MMO; no but in the future this could be the standard.
You assume everyone knows how Destiny and Destiny 2 works, what the player cap is etc. Not everyone even owns a recent console. I'm know I'm exclusively PC gamer at this point, all I know about Destiny is what I know through word of mouth.
Even if you wanted to do a yes or no game you asked the wrong question.
Here is how you would properly make this poll:
You aren't relying on people have knowledge of game they may or may not have and you aren't requiring people on the fence or who have mixed opinions pick a side. That's how you do a proper poll.
In this case it probably wouldn't change the results much (Other than potentially in favor of the Nos) but there are other cases where assumption of knowledge and the requirement to pick a side can really screw up the results.
And if someone doesnt know how Destiny works , then take 5 minutes and read up or dont vote at all , If you didnt know you most likely werent interested at this pointy anyway and dont have an opinion
And that not the Question i wanted answered , that would convolute and cloud the issue ..
Did you vote on the poll , you seem like a smart guy that could form an opion on the subject ..
ANd if they dont have knowledge dont Vote or take the 5 fucking minutes to research the game if it is something that interest you .. Really all to simple and common sense
its simple ..Yes or NO
Why do people want to cloud things up and have there 3rd Bathroom in everything anymore
Just because people shouldn't vote, doesn't mean they don't:
That would seem to be simple common sense to me.
Yes
No
Would confuse some people ................lmfao
Scorchien wanted to know whether the majority agreed it was an MMO or whether they didn't. Your "I don't care" option is located right up at the top right (or left, depending upon your browser), labeled the "Back" button.
But by voting, there's an implication that you care enough to voice the opinion. For those who claim that having an opinion on this is dumb, just don't vote. Done. Their continued responses here only serve to preserve the legitimacy of the topic at hand.
No, there isn't any way of knowing who should and shouldn't vote. But there is the capacity to ask a question that doesn't assume knowledge of the subject you shouldn't assume they have.
It is unsafe to assume that everyone knows enough about Destiny 2 to be qualified to speak on it's MMO status. It is safe to assume that if you instead describe the multiplayer capacity of Destiny and ask them whether or not they feel that's an MMO:
"Is a fully instanced game with 20ish players per instance an MMO?"
That way more people will be qualified to answer the question.
Not every poll posted on a video game website need meet stringent criteria for scientific polling. Scorchien knew the audience he was aiming this poll at.
That makes it worth pointing out his polls are crap, and that anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
While I'm assuming I voted the same way he did on this poll, I'm not going to circle the wagons blindly defend crap polling methods like you will apparently.