EA Changes Its Tune on Loot System for Star Wars Battlefront 2 - MMORPG.com News

SBFord · November 2017

EA Changes Its Tune on Loot System for Star Wars Battlefront 2 - MMORPG.com News

EA and DICE have responded to beta players' concerns about the loot system in Star Wars Battlefront 2. During the beta, it was discovered that progression to the best items in the game would require purchasing loot crates. The outcry at this news was heard loud and clear by publisher and developer resulting in a new blog post detailing a number of changes to the system in time for launch later this month.

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Warlyx · November 2017

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

laxie · November 2017

The changes alleviate some of the day one problems. Still, this doesn't change the fact that it's a loot box progression driven game.

What these changes do is not remove the need to spend, but make the need for spending more consistent - your Boba Fett invulnerability isn't a random drop anymore, it's a result of crafting resources (that come from loot boxes). In the previous iteration, you could get lucky and get good cards straight up. Now, everyone will need to spend roughly the same amount.

It is my guess that the in-game loot box awards won't be enough to get you the crafting resources you need. If that was the case, you could remove the crafting material from loot boxes altogether. They obviously don't plan on doing that - you will reach a plateau where getting materials is unfeasible by in-game means.

The cynic in me also looks at their quote "Epic Star Cards, the highest tier of Star Cards available at launch, have been removed from Crates." I can see a world where 2 months from now, a new hero comes out (free for everyone as they promised), but accompanied by "launch packs" of various tiers. If you don't buy these, you will need to play hundreds of matches to get the Star Cards for that hero. If you want your hero to be powerful instantly, you'll be able to buy these limited-time packs that will have that hero's epic card guaranteed. (This is just speculation, but it's the exact thing they do in their mobile games).

Slapshot1188 · November 2017

It's a small victory... but in today's environment even those are becoming rare. So I think the greater message is... DONT just bend over and accept this stuff. If you can get EA to at least partly rethink the loot box... you can get any company to do so.

Albatroes · November 2017

Its like I have to type "Congratz EA on holding back on some of your greed...." /smh Its already bad enough that we dont truly own the games we buy now anyway since almost all of them require a form of digital download/update even if you buy the physical copy, now they want to sell you an even more incomplete product at full price. "Gratz for paying 60$ to access the game, now give us 1-2$s each time you want to progress through it"

winghaven1 · November 2017

Lets just wait and see please. People are annoying when they pull crap out of their asses. Ok?

Redemp · November 2017

Nope - I really want this game, it fixed the issues I had with it previously but no way in hell am I going to reward this type of behavior with my purchase. I'm no longer going to "wait and see" with these types of bullshit money grabs.

Their first PR response was : It's not an issue, you just didn't see our complete system. Remember they thought we were naive enough to buy that. (sadly some were) You don't get a pat on the back for not being a greedy pos.

The game will still be a success and sell millions .. but this time around I'm off the wagon, go pound sand EA.

Iselin · November 2017

winghaven1 said:

Lets just wait and see please. People EA are annoying when they pull crap out of their asses. Ok?

FTFY

Scarran · November 2017

I never purchased Shadow of War when they pulled their lootbox crap, there is no way im purchasing this game.

Even with these changes it is still pretty much lootbox progression and for me having played mmo's for long enough I can see how easily it is for things to get alot worse. Some people arent happy with making a decent profit, they want to go all in and fleece their customers for everything they can get.

For that I cannot buy into games that encourage this type of business as it is one big slippery slope that is going to get worse fast.

Tiller · November 2017

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

waynejr2 · November 2017

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Sovrath · November 2017

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

Slapshot1188 · November 2017

Sovrath said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

I used to frown on those people. We used to say they cheated. Some of us still do.
Same way people today sell in game hacks. They profit on it. I'd rather that the companies not get tired of fighting it, spending money to do so, and see other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

Iselin · November 2017

Slapshot1188 said:

Sovrath said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

I used to frown on those people. We used to say they cheated. Some of us still do.

Yeah. I've brought that up before and have been told that I was being too judgmental. Times sure have changed now that those players are preferred customers

Slapshot1188 · November 2017

Iselin said:

Slapshot1188 said:

Sovrath said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

I used to frown on those people. We used to say they cheated. Some of us still do.

Yeah. I've brought that up before and have been told that I was being too judgmental. Times sure have changed now that those players are preferred customers

To be honest... I'm below average in games like this but can't help but want to try them. I have much more money now than time to play. I could toss $100 for a "fun weekend" of powerups and wins... but to me it would always be cheating.

It would be like paintball where my team got automatic weapons and the enemy teams had to throw their paintballs at us... Sure we would win... but /golfclap? And that would get boring real fast anyhow... maybe another reason game retention is so bad.

Albatroes · November 2017

Sovrath said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

Best for the consumer? Loot boxes are the definition of anti-consumer, my friend. If they were wanting to do what was best for the consumer, they would just put the stuff up directly at the very least instead of scrapping every penny out of a wallet through bought rng. Sure players have been selling clears/gear/etc directly to other players, but at least they were getting what they paid for. Companies now are just letting you buy a CHANCE at what you want.

Tiller · November 2017

Sovrath said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Not only that, but people have been selling in game items for quite some time. All that's happened is that game companies are tired of fighting it, spending money doing so, and seeing other people who have nothing to do with their company profiting.

There have always been people willing to spend money on game items. Companies are just figuring out how best to cater to them.

I'm mostly talking about single player games or multi-player, (not MMOs) like Doom, UT ect; even now companies try to up-sell you in single player games.

Mykell · November 2017

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

He's probably talking about the days before shooters added in RPG mechanics and everyone got all the weapons when you first started playing the game instead of locking the best ones behind progression mechanics so you can monetize it somehow.

Tiller · November 2017

Mykell said:

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

He's probably talking about the days before shooters added in RPG mechanics and everyone got all the weapons when you first started playing the game instead of locking the best ones behind progression mechanics so you can monetize it somehow.

Yep. I sometimes forget that some folks here may never have played games before the early 2000s.

laxie · November 2017

The sad thing is, first person shooter games were once the pinnacle of competitive gaming. They were all about an equal playing field - the better person would prevail.

The fact that we are sitting here discussing microtransactions and advantages in a multiplayer shooter says it all really.

kgsavatar · November 2017

I am so glad they changed this.

MadFrenchie · November 2017

waynejr2 said:

Tiller said:

Warlyx said:

ppl that still pay deluxe edition have an advantage , its EA so meh , they can change it in 1 week after release when they have your $$$ already .

sad times for fair gameplay

Remember when you bought a game and everyone was on equal footing depending on their skill?

When was this? I remember people who had a time advantage...

Time accrues at the same rate for everyone. Money does not. HUGE difference between the nature of the resources.

Coated · November 2017

Design a game to be a cash grab then take away the cash grabbing?

evolgrinz · November 2017

Loot boxes belong in F2P games. Not in B2P or P2P games.

Nikaas · November 2017

People will still buy it in droves. I don't see why they even bother to change it.

laxie · November 2017

Nikaas said:

People will still buy it in droves. I don't see why they even bother to change it.

The changes simply move the P2W issue from launch day to 1-2 months away. By then, people will be looking at other titles and Battlefront2 will be old news. People who were on the fence might buy it now, while the P2W is still there to monetize people as the game evolves.

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