eve online pros and cons

brother-hood · April 2006

im thinking about buying eve online but the feedback i got is all 50/50 so can any one give me some into depth feed back, thx

Wakizashi · April 2006

Do the free trial and see if you like it

Desalus · April 2006

Or just search the forums for similar topics. There has to be at least 50 of them.

freebirdpat · April 2006

It helps if you tell us what you want, what you don't want, and what you like about MMOs in general, also helps if you play the trial and tell us what you like and don't like.

Haruto · April 2006

The game is not for the light hearted I will tell you this much. You can get a good deal out of it as soon as you understand the tutorial and start to understand what you are doing, but it can take months to learn the skills you need for some of the starting advanced skills. Beyond this you need to be able to develop a few tactical skills as you fight, you can just fight from your set orbit, but adding in soem tactical course changes can really help. This is especially true once you learn how to make turns in your path that allow you to go quickly, following the path of your ship so you don't come to a dead stop while turning in combat.

There are TONS of options as to what you can do. You can be a pirate preying off of other players, work your way up into creating ships and equipment, simply become a miner and mine asteroids, run missions for various factions, or go out as a bounty hunter and hunt down pirates.

Beyond all of this there are tons of options that you can use to set up your ship, as well as simply choosing which class of ship you want to get into. Definently check out the trial and get the most out of it, can be a tough game to come to grips with and takes time, questions, and a bit of browsing the official forum for guides and answers to questions you may have.

brother-hood · April 2006

if its got lots of options and items to play with and a vast amount of exploration and good gameplay elements than its a good game. thanks for the advice keep it coming as i really cant be botherd to search on google lol

Darumar · April 2006

Why not check out the free trial ?

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/74388

SobaMan · April 2006

This game isn't easy. Playing this game and actually sticking it out through the tough times earns a lot of respect though. Most people quit Eve because it's not WoW. So, if you play WoW... and are expecting WoW... don't even bother downloading the game. Just go re-create a night elf, dark elf... purple thing with long ass ears and re-grind. If you're looking for a game that actually has some meat on it's bones and can offer you a challenge in any aspect you choose... then this is the game for you. Just don't EVER expect to be king of the hill. You will always be better/luckier than somebody and somebody will always be better/luckier than you. Also, death hurts in Eve. Not as much as people make it out to, but there is certainly a sting. I like it, you may or may not.

Haruto · April 2006

The sting really hurts when you just outfitted a ship with some really expensive items, and it gets destroyed by a pirate before you can get away, or even worse if you get podded and lose some nice implants. However if you avoid low spec space, or come ready with a good method of escape, you more then likely won't see this happen for quite some time.

Also you may play it for quite a long time before you find the ship and setup that works for you and what you want it to do. It is all about experimentation, and fiding a good corp early on helps immensely as they should help you out with the learning curve. You could play for weeks and months and suddenly stumble across something that really helps you out that you never noticed before. A great feeling.

mindspat · April 2006

Pros: EVE Online is a VERY cerebral game.

Cons: EVE Online is a VERY cerebral game.

How about I try to list the worst mistakes to make as a new player so you can attempt to avoid them.

Be aware of the following:

Minning! Avoid it until you know what it is, why you do it, and why you must do it. It's the most boring thing to be done ingame. It can be fun with a large operation of players with others in combat ships hunting in the same system.

15 jumps to destination!?!?! <-- if you get this when you're new then you are doing something wrong!! You shouldn't have to travel more then 5 or 6 jumps in a one way trip if running Agent missions.

Low security space!! You should stay in .5 thru 1.0 space at all times!! If you enter 0.0 thru 0.4 ssecurity systems it is EXTREMELY likely you will get shot, wrecked, then podded before you even know you were getting locked. A new player should do fine in .6-1.0 systems.

Complete the damned tutorial!! Yes it's long. Yes it requires reading. Yes you have alot to learn. There's nothing worse then someong asking pointless question in the "new corp chat" that were easily answered in the tutorial. Honestly, I would recomend starting the tutorial and regardless if you finish it the first time or not I would run through it a 2nd time. It will help tremendously!! *if you had not recieved your 1m-2m ISK cybernetic attachement then you have nore completed the tutorial. :P

Investments. Do not investment more then 30% of your current wallet into a ship. If you are flying it you should be expecting to loose it. EVE does -not- cater to a lowest denominator. It's a harsh universe that's become of utopia 15k years after the gateway to Earth collapsed.

Upgrade your ship!! What ever race you choose be sure to get at least "-race- Frigate level 3" so you can pilot the better frigates, and get one ASAP!! ^don't forget about investments. :P

Insurance / Clone. Always get the platinum insurance on a ship. They will actually give you ISK when you loose it!! If you do not register a clone and you are "podded" there's a chance you'll loose a good percentage of one of your highest level skills. *this is you if you don't have a clone ->

Have fun!! This is a game. It's a dynamic sandbox that's in a constant state of flux. The market is alive and alliances are fragile. If you are going to shoot someone don't let htem know until you're blasting them!!

Oh....one last thing...Yarr!!!

Pantastic · April 2006

The chief con of EVE is that the ratio of interesting time to uninteresting time is generally really, really atrocious. Playing EVE involves putting up with huge timesinks. You'll probably spend more time travelling, mining/ratting/missioning for cash, and trying to locate people than you will in the actual PVP combat that's the central attraction of the game.

While the fanboys will try to pretend that sticking through the boring crap in a game is some kind of virtue, and will probably go on about how 'leet their IQs are for watching "warp drive active" and clicking instans, just ignore them. Try the trial, and be sure to experiment with different things. Generally you don't have to do one thing all that much, during my time in EVE I went from start to ratting in 0.0 and the only mining I did was in the tutorial.

By the end of the trial, you should have a good handle on what things you find interesting (ratting got boring for me pretty fast, for example, even in 0.0 in a cruiser) and how much time you'll spend on them versus the stuff you don't find interesting but have to do. Then decide if that constitutes fun for you or not, and buy or don't buy based on that.

SobaMan · April 2006

Originally posted by mindspat

Low security space!! You should stay in .5 thru 1.0 space at all times!! If you enter 0.0 thru 0.4 ssecurity systems it is EXTREMELY likely you will get shot, wrecked, then podded before you even know you were getting locked. A new player should do fine in .6-1.0 systems.

As a noob you should avoid it. As you gro older, and wiser, you'll be wanting to branch out. Until you know that you can protect your investment, or at least are willing to put up a good fight for it, then stay out of low sec.

I actually know some pirates that will refund your items (mostly/partly) simply because you put up a fight and didn't just roll over or try to run.

Knightblast · April 2006

Originally posted by Pantastic
The chief con of EVE is that the ratio of interesting time to uninteresting time is generally really, really atrocious. Playing EVE involves putting up with huge timesinks. You'll probably spend more time travelling, mining/ratting/missioning for cash, and trying to locate people than you will in the actual PVP combat that's the central attraction of the game.

I make my ISK from ratting, and to be honest it's not really that time consuming. I can make 10-20m ISK in an hour of 0.0 ratting easily with loot and bounties. If I need to up the wallet, I can do that for 2 hours a day for a week and make 60-100m ISK, and generally that's fine.

If you use cheaper, insured Tech 1 ships for your PvPing, you can PvP a lot longer before you need to do some economic activity to rebuild the wallet.

Copeland · April 2006

EVE is more of a social game than an action game. There are only a few moments of action to every hour of socializing. It's definately important to find people you enjoy being around and working with.

lumpster · April 2006

I played the 2 week trial and really liked the game, and I'm currently in my first month of billed play. There is an enormous amount of depth to the game, it's very open-ended. That depth comes from the pvp aspect, so if that doesn't appeal to you you may not like the game. The graphics are good, but I honestly don't fully agree with people who rave over them, but then again I don't think outer space needs to be flashy

. This is the first game I've played with a skill system (well, I tried WoW but didn't like it, lasted 2 weeks), and I like the way it's implemented here, I also like being able to train while offline. You can have 3 chars on one account, but can only train one of these three at a time though. My biggest gripe about the game is its bugginess, I don't know if this is normal or related to their last update (which was shortly before I started playing I think). The game hangs (undocking from a station or when jumping) about once an hour, crashes to the desktop or goes to BSOD about once every 3-4 hours. (I've got all the most recent drivers, I check windows update about once a week, latest BIOS, more than enough in terms of power supply etc.) Overall it's a great game-when it works right.

Ruwin · April 2006

Found the game very difficult to get into. Beautiful graphics but one of the bigger learning curves I've seen in an mmorpg.

Also the tutorial was bugged for me. Lookss like the game has potential if you have the time and energy.

mindspat · April 2006

Originally posted by Pantastic
The chief con of EVE is that the ratio of interesting time to uninteresting time is generally really, really atrocious. Playing EVE involves putting up with huge timesinks. You'll probably spend more time travelling, mining/ratting/missioning for cash, and trying to locate people than you will in the actual PVP combat that's the central attraction of the game.

While the fanboys will try to pretend that sticking through the boring crap in a game is some kind of virtue, and will probably go on about how 'leet their IQs are for watching "warp drive active" and clicking instans, just ignore them. Try the trial, and be sure to experiment with different things. Generally you don't have to do one thing all that much, during my time in EVE I went from start to ratting in 0.0 and the only mining I did was in the tutorial.

By the end of the trial, you should have a good handle on what things you find interesting (ratting got boring for me pretty fast, for example, even in 0.0 in a cruiser) and how much time you'll spend on them versus the stuff you don't find interesting but have to do. Then decide if that constitutes fun for you or not, and buy or don't buy based on that.

Another PRo: EVE does not keep players like the one quoted above. It's generally beyond their view of "kill-loot-kill-loot-kill-loot-kill-loot-rinse&repeat" views of playing games.

Another Con: If you're a die hard FPS player who only plays FPS type games you will not enjoy EVE. There's an issue ingame where your attention is required beyond 3 seconds.

The game play isn't much different from other games albiet EVE doesn't have any restrictions placed upon your game play. Remember playing SWG and going to Dathomir while still a novice brawler and novice marksman? Kinda pointless wasn't it. What about setting off to kill a Krayt Dragon? In EVE you can easily spend 30 minutes going somewhere you don't need to be and waste your time heading back.

PVP is EVERYWHERE!!! Just enter 0.0 thru 0.4 space and start shooting someone. Yes, shoot anyone!! Oh, besure to yell in the local channel to strike fear in the hearts of your victims...YAarrr!!!

Pantastic · April 2006

Originally posted by mindspat
Another PRo: EVE does not keep players like the one quoted above. It's generally beyond their view of "kill-loot-kill-loot-kill-loot-kill-loot-rinse&repeat" views of playing games.

See what I mean about fanboys? They try to turn anything you don't like about the game into some kind of personal failing, and generally get it wrong. (I'm not even currently playing a game that has a kill-loot cycle, and I've spent years playing either long P&P wargames or P&P RPGs with actual storylines, and for the otherthe last FPS I played was the original Half-Life). Amusingly, according to this specimen, me ratting for money during my game time means my view of games is "kill-loot-kill-loot-etc", but he doesn't say the same about the guy who likes eve but also makes his money by ratting. I think you can figure out what that means.

Just filter out fanatics like that, they're generally so mentally locked into the game that they can't really offer good information; the non-fanatics who like the game are the ones who can offer you the real pros.

SonOfAGhost · April 2006

Originally posted by lumpster

I played the 2 week trial and really liked the game, and I'm currently in my first month of billed play. There is an enormous amount of depth to the game, it's very open-ended. That depth comes from the pvp aspect, so if that doesn't appeal to you you may not like the game. The graphics are good, but I honestly don't fully agree with people who rave over them, but then again I don't think outer space needs to be flashy . This is the first game I've played with a skill system (well, I tried WoW but didn't like it, lasted 2 weeks), and I like the way it's implemented here, I also like being able to train while offline. You can have 3 chars on one account, but can only train one of these three at a time though. My biggest gripe about the game is its bugginess, I don't know if this is normal or related to their last update (which was shortly before I started playing I think). The game hangs (undocking from a station or when jumping) about once an hour, crashes to the desktop or goes to BSOD about once every 3-4 hours. (I've got all the most recent drivers, I check windows update about once a week, latest BIOS, more than enough in terms of power supply etc.) Overall it's a great game-when it works right.

In the cache folder edit your prefs.ini file so that the buffer size is 1/2 your RAM. That change alone should make a huge difference for most people but there's some other tweaks that may help further in some stickies in the official forums.

JennysMind · April 2006

I can definitely see where some people won't like the game, especially since there is quite a bit of travel time. Add to that the learning curve and the time it takes to plan your strategies most of the time you are not going to be in action.

If you like to talk in chat channels, you are probably going to like this game.

Cith

Knightblast · April 2006

Originally posted by Alekhin
I can definitely see where some people won't like the game, especially since there is quite a bit of travel time. Add to that the learning curve and the time it takes to plan your strategies most of the time you are not going to be in action.

If you like to talk in chat channels, you are probably going to like this game.

Cith

Well, actually much of the communication for PvP takes place over voice coms, not chat channels.

EVE is certainly not a game of instant gratification in any way, that is true. However, if you venture into low security or 0.0 space, and you are looking for a fight, you can find one pretty easily. Of course, if you go about things that way, you may not WIN the fight ....

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