Expectations of maturity within the factions of Chaos and Order

Nihilis · April 2006

Now across various boards and forums I've heard people jumping the boat for either Order or Chaos thinking they'll find a higher level of maturity within one of these factions, I thought I'd discuss that here in this forum.

Some people have said they'll find a higher level of maturity within the Chaos faction because everyone in order wants to "play the pretty races" therefor attracting a younger audience and resulting in an overall lower value of maturity.

Others think that Chaos will have a lower overall maturity as all the little kiddies and immature brats are attracted to the dark sinister races. They think it's cool as can be to hop onto a Chaos Warrior wielding two axes.

Now, I'd have to agree with the latter. I must admit that the former does apply to some extent but I believe that the more immature among us are drawn to the darker side simply because it's more cool to them. There was argument in another forum that the good pretty races only care about their appearance, thus only about themselves making them poor team players. I think that's far from the truth as even an orc cares about his appearance, he just doesn't care about being pretty, he cares about being purposely ugly. In WoW people chose races almost purely for visual purposes, so we must all care about our appearances to an extent, it makes games more enjoyable. I also believe that WoW is proof that the immature are drawn to the darker side, just look at the Undead population of WoW (though no doubt lots of immature people are drawn to night elves as well).

Your input is appreciated.

Kane · April 2006

Having played virtually every race in WoW, I can honestly say that in my experience, the Night Elf players were the least mature. Of course thats not to say I ran into any race that was actually MATURE. It was just varying degrees of immaturity.

Vrashk · April 2006

You generally find immature little brats on all sides in mmorpgs, it's mostly myths invented by the other side or pissed of players of one side.

About the undead in WoW, I'm not too sure what you base this on, the undead I met have mostly been "normal" players. Players are simply drawn to the undead side because they want to have the better racial stat. Alliance players are just as asshatty as the horde ones.

Nihilis · April 2006

Truth be told that the Alliance suffered heavily from immaturity (mostly the Night Elf community) but I think most of the immaturity I encountered came from the Undead players. As one player put it "teens are attracted to that depressed pseudo-emo rocker" unfortunately a valid description of the way Blizzard modeled the race. But I think that if we're going to encounter doses of immaturity within the ranks of Warhammer it'll be from the Chaos race mostly as when I go to tabletop matches most of the little kids are playing that race.

BadBoyOnFire · April 2006

First of all can i comment that bolt italic is HORRIBLE to read.

I believe that, dispite the fact the forums are overflowing with "i'm going to go Chaos" i believe that the goody-goody races will have the lower level of compitetence and maturity for a simple reason which may have been overlooked by some; the people with lesser compitetence and maturity dont visit forums like these ones, they just buy the game and play it when it comes out.

Personally i don't care about the maturity levels of my peers as long as they're not COMPLETE idiots and let the Chaos capitol get pilleged every day.

I'm going Chaos because i want to be a chaos warrior and i'll have my friends to back me up.

qotsa · April 2006

I think it will be like every other game. Good and bad folks on all sides. I guess I don't understand why people always slam the WoW community. It was never different to me than any other game, as far as community. No game seems to have all that different of a community, no faction ever seemed worse to me than any other. Horde...Alliance, it was all the same. Maybe I've just been lucky on my server picks. I have noticed one difference I guess. I don't see people in WoW worried about comparing or slamming other games, like I do communities about other games vs. WoW. They seem less concerned about other game communities than others are of them.

-Akkarin- · April 2006

I always seem to think the immature players tend to pick the immature races! Like in WOW I always found gnomes a little immature and for the horde I always found trolls immature.

Volkmar · April 2006

Originally posted by BadBoyOnFire
First of all can i comment that bolt italic is HORRIBLE to read.

I believe that, dispite the fact the forums are overflowing with "i'm going to go Chaos" i believe that the goody-goody races will have the lower level of compitetence and maturity for a simple reason which may have been overlooked by some; the people with lesser compitetence and maturity dont visit forums like these ones, they just buy the game and play it when it comes out.

Personally i don't care about the maturity levels of my peers as long as they're not COMPLETE idiots and let the Chaos capitol get pilleged every day.

I'm going Chaos because i want to be a chaos warrior and i'll have my friends to back me up.

I think your statement is like 100% wrong. Stating that visiting a forum makes you MORE mature and competent that people that don't is simply unbelievable.

I guess you meant something else and it just show different in your writing, if that is the case i will wait for a clear up

On the topic at hand, we forget that his is Warhammer and the distinction is not much between "pretty" and "ugly" like it is in WoW for example (where the two factions do not have much difference, politics wise). Dark Elves are one of the "prettiest" race of warhammer, especially their female putting them on par with the High elves. Dwarves and Orks are also more or less equivalent in their "not-so-pretty" levels, while Chaos are composed of humans like the Empire. if anything, norse are maybe a bit more pretty than imperial humans. True, probably later the Norse will degenerate in something uglier (or sexier, depends on the Chaos God), but at char creation, they will be probably as different as a north man is from a central european caucasian, that is: not much. fairer skin for the norse, a bit taller and tougher maybe, tendency to have fairer eyes and hairs, but that's about it.

In the end, here, I think the politics of the two factions, drastically different from each other, and personal like/dislike of the various races represented, will dictate the level of (im)maturity.

From the tabletop perspective, the Chaos force is very popular. to the young ones, yes, but also older. Empire and High Elves got a revival with their new releases a year or so ago, but now they are prolly declining. They are simply a bit too "vanilla" to attract throngs of fans. Dwarves have their own core fans that tends to be as dwarves are, though and stubborn. Once a dwarf, always a dwarf.

Have a nice day

AdamKeene · April 2006

I didn't vote, purely because I believe that the immature kiddies will be equally spread, everywhere we go, and whatever race we are! From listening to others, it seems as if this immaturity is practically unavoidable nowadays

GlacianNex · April 2006

There is no clear cut in this issue. There will be an abandance of little kiddies, morons, idiots, griefers, and many other types of people that I cant list on these forums (cuz I will get banned) on both sides. It will vary from server, but there is no clear cut. That said a lot of people pick what they will play not based on what they like but on what their guild or friends deside to do.

My expirience in WoW was that Allinece got a bigger portion of kids (on my server at least). Because they would constantly complain that people will always screw up and they cant get anything done right. On the other hand Horde didnt have any problems (I played on Blackrock).

-Ellessar- · April 2006

Well this is not a clear cut question with an easy answer, but my best reply would be that the forces of chaos will be the most immature. It has been my experience in both fantasy and 40k that the more immature players have gravitated more towards chaos, orcs (orks), and similarly geared armies.

Now some may argue that a lot of immature players have Empire or Imperium (Space Marine mostly) armies. While that is true, I suspect that there is a large degree of players feeling more comfortable with the human armies when they first delve into the hobby. I suspect this is because a human army simply seems more familar to them. Plus certain armies, ie: space marines, are targeted more towards newer players which tend to be younger people and thus less mature.

Other MMO gaming such as in WoW has pretty much left me with similar thoughts on the issue. It has been my experience in WoW that the Horde by far tend to be much more immature than the alliance.

Fusion · April 2006

My vote goes to Chaos in this case, because the "coolness" factor seem to favor "Chaos, Dark elves etc. (not including greenies), Order side chars seem to blant.. and kids tend to favor "coolness" factor im afraid.

ELP_Spawn · April 2006

Originally posted by Fusion
My vote goes to Chaos in this case, because the "coolness" factor seem to favor "Chaos, Dark elves etc. (not including greenies), Order side chars seem to blant.. and kids tend to favor "coolness" factor im afraid.

Sad but true

Distortion0 · April 2006

My money is on the Elves sponging the WoW crowd, making them the least mature on either side. I think alot of kiddies are going to look at Orcs and say 'No girls!? Imm outa her', which is ironic because don't Greenskins use chatspeak in Warhammer? Haha, like said Drawfs will have their cultist dwarf lovers. I think Empire and Chaos will pick up everyone else randomly, at least until people get to higher levels and find their uber babe is now rotting away... I'm new to Warhammer but do you think they'll include a few Chaos gods, that osunds really cool to me. Changer of ways, Bringer of deseise, and a third one I havn't heard much about. That sounds like the best faction to me, closely followed by Orcs simply because they come from Mushrooms

Nihilis · April 2006

Originally posted by qotsa
I think it will be like every other game. Good and bad folks on all sides. I guess I don't understand why people always slam the WoW community. It was never different to me than any other game, as far as community. No game seems to have all that different of a community, no faction ever seemed worse to me than any other. Horde...Alliance, it was all the same. Maybe I've just been lucky on my server picks. I have noticed one difference I guess. I don't see people in WoW worried about comparing or slamming other games, like I do communities about other games vs. WoW. They seem less concerned about other game communities than others are of them.

Have you ever played WoW? The community is awful. Anytime I'd get on the Horde side random people would send me tells asking if I like feet or asking if I'd eat out my mom. Can't be anyone that I know since no real life friends play it and I haven't made many online friends on WoW since I don't play frequently, it's completely random. Anytime I'd go to the Alliance side there'd be someone in IF /yelling "LOOKING FOR MEMBERS TO START GAY HATING GUILD". It's ridiculous.

M1sf1t · April 2006

All the annoying little kiddies and whiny types usually were on Alliance. Horde on my server of Cenarius had a ton of adults playing Horde as compared to Alliance.

M1sf1t · April 2006

Originally posted by Nihilis

Originally posted by qotsa
I think it will be like every other game. Good and bad folks on all sides. I guess I don't understand why people always slam the WoW community. It was never different to me than any other game, as far as community. No game seems to have all that different of a community, no faction ever seemed worse to me than any other. Horde...Alliance, it was all the same. Maybe I've just been lucky on my server picks. I have noticed one difference I guess. I don't see people in WoW worried about comparing or slamming other games, like I do communities about other games vs. WoW. They seem less concerned about other game communities than others are of them.

Have you ever played WoW? The community is awful. Anytime I'd get on the Horde side random people would send me tells asking if I like feet or asking if I'd eat out my mom. Can't be anyone that I know since no real life friends play it and I haven't made many online friends on WoW since I don't play frequently, it's completely random. Anytime I'd go to the Alliance side there'd be someone in IF /yelling "LOOKING FOR MEMBERS TO START GAY HATING GUILD". It's ridiculous.

Complete and utter exaggeration.

checkthis500 · April 2006

Actually that's not an exaggeration. I heard a group yelling "Looking for members to join the Green One-Eyed Monsters Guild" as well as many other guilds that were just retarded. The amount of immaturity I saw in WoW after playing for 5 days on what my friend claimed to be a "mature" server made me hate the game. And it's not the 12 yr olds that are the immature ones, it's the college students. Being a college student, I understand how immature they are. They're worse than 12 yr olds.

Greyface · April 2006

Whichever side has the most chainmail bikinis will be the less mature side. That's the reason why WoW's kiddie race is night elves, and the reason why they have to add elves to the Horde in the expansion. It's not being "good" that attracts little kids, it's bounching boobs and be-thonged bottoms. If WAR balances the Hoochie Factor, then the Realms will be balanced in both population and in childishness. Owing to the fact that both realms have one human, one elf, and one ugly race, there's no reason to expect a T&A imbalance at this point.

Panin · April 2006

I thought you meant chaosor empire, so I voted empire, but found out you meant chaos,dark elf, orc and then I have tocorrect myself. I think orcs will have most immaturity (1337 skillz)

Bent · April 2006

I would like to cite Alliance from WoW release.

And

Ablions from DAoC release.

More people go to the pretty place, since more people go there it is easier. Easier plus more people = more immature people. If you are talking about proportions that may be different.

Wait a second?

Do you mean kids... or just rude people?

Kids (aka immature people, aka less experienced gamers) will go to wherever it is easier for them to play and group.

Rude people will be spread pretty even imo.

AKA if some servers gave a 15% EXP bonus all the kiddies would rush to that server, where-as more vet gamers would be fine going to normal server simply because they figure the kiddies will take the easier road.

Nihilis · April 2006

Originally posted by Panin
I thought you meant chaosor empire, so I voted empire, but found out you meant chaos,dark elf, orc and then I have tocorrect myself. I think orcs will have most immaturity (1337 skillz)

Truth be told that Orcs already use ebonics.

Varangarian · April 2006

I think the nature of warhammer orkz is gona produce some the biggest crowd of immature players. So will high elves, kids like pretty, and the whole murdereous blood worshiping dark elves is probably going to turn the kids away imo. Chaos on the other hand probably gets the most players in the tabletop because they're the biggest and the badest, easy to play, get in melee and crush. Not hard to use a bloodthirster, takes a lot more skill to handle one. I don't think you'll see that in WAR. Honestly I think the poll shows things right, pretty even dispercement of mature players. If you want maturity as Good I'd go with dwarves then empire, elves will get the most kids. Evil prolly dark elf will get the most mature imo (odd as that seems, them being pretty and all), then chaos, and orks will get the most kids.

I just want to have a guildie that roleplays Orkz really well, i think every1 should have one, they're just to awesome.

Hybban · April 2006

In Wow, I've seen what we call in french 'Kevins' in both factions, in all the servers (I went on four different servers during the year I played this game). But I voted Chaos, It seems to me that in the beginning, chaos will probably get more kiddies wanting to play Baaad

Nalaeph · April 2006

General rule of thumb for PvP centric games: It's always the "other side" that has more immature players, griefers, idiots, zerglings, no-skill losers, whatever... you name it, the "other side" has got plenty of them...

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