How about not having a shoot first ask questions later policy?
Or, and I know for folks like yourself this is asking a lot, maybe people should follow police instructions? Or would you prefer that, if he had indeed drawn a weapon, a police officer's family now be in mourning as well?
How about we stop blaming the police and blame those actually responsible for this tragedy, the sacks of shit who put everyone involved into this situation to begin with? Or is that too much to ask as well?
The story says the man who answered the door was unarmed. There's no indication of threat. There's no indication of not following police instruction. What the **** is your issue dude?
Look in every western country where police get more training than US police get, fatalities are proportionately low. In the US, they start to qualify as extrajudicial killings, they are so common and superficially unnecessary relative to post-mortem (literally) assessed threat.
And in US cities where the perps are well armed but the cops are well trained in de-escalation and community policing and have additional training requirements in interventional methods, like in my metro Boston area? We get the cooperation of our community to shut down gangs. We get better informant information -- pro-actively offered. And we get fewer wounded and killed cops. And despite our gun laws, the criminals are still armed.
Grow up, learn to read statistics, and stop swollowing party line -- hook line and sinker -- and think for yourself and read up on the literature. You are sadly misinformed.
You dishonor the man who died. And to be honest, you dishonor the officer who is on administrative leave, who likely was badly served by his PD in his training.
How about not having a shoot first ask questions later policy?
Or, and I know for folks like yourself this is asking a lot, maybe people should follow police instructions? Or would you prefer that, if he had indeed drawn a weapon, a police officer's family now be in mourning as well?
How about we stop blaming the police and blame those actually responsible for this tragedy, the sacks of shit who put everyone involved into this situation to begin with? Or is that too much to ask as well?
The story says the man who answered the door was unarmed. There's no indication of threat. There's no indication of not following police instruction. What the **** is your issue dude?
Look in every western country where police get more training than US police get, fatalities are proportionately low. In the US, they start to qualify as extrajudicial killings, they are so common and superficially unnecessary relative to post-mortem (literally) assessed threat.
And in US cities where the perps are well armed but the cops are well trained in de-escalation and community policing and have additional training requirements in interventional methods, like in my metro Boston area? We get the cooperation of our community to shut down gangs. We get better informant information -- pro-actively offered. And we get fewer wounded and killed cops. And despite our gun laws, the criminals are still armed.
Grow up, learn to read statistics, and stop swollowing party line -- hook line and sinker -- and think for yourself and read up on the literature. You are sadly misinformed.
You dishonor the man who died. And to be honest, you dishonor the officer who is on administrative leave, who likely was badly served by his PD in his training.
umm sorry but
The police or anybody else had no idea he was unarmed till AFTER the fact ..so pointless /point
The threat was in the 911 call (altho a hoax) the Police have no idea of this .. Other than 1 shot /2 hostages /house doused in gas ..
The man intially followed police instruction by putting his hands up when asked .. Then when asked to walk forward ..He did NOT comply .. Instead put hands down , turned his back and reached to his waist ..
If he had complied he would be alive today and we would not be talking about it ... I
The real culprit in most violent incidents these days is the laughable justice system we are stuck with. People rarely get the punishments they deserve. It's time to put the fear of death back in people.
Regardless of what happens with the SWAT officer who did the actual killing(I wasn't there, so I won't comment on what should happen with him), the guy who started the entire thing should be given a swift, public execution. And in this particular instance, he should be placed in front of a firing squad... dressed in SWAT uniforms.
Wow dude, going a bit extreme don't you think?
I mean, this guy should 100% be punished, and an extensive prison sentence is due for sure
Public execution for a false police report may be going just a tad too far
Good he needs to do hard time. This is his second confirmed incident last I read. His conscious choice resulted in the death of another. There's nothing funny about swatting. Swatters know what they are doing and that's why they do it. To have people dragged out of their house at gun point. They give a wild enough scenario to result in a SWAT response. This dude was on twitter banging on about it. That is if it was his account. Put him away for a long time. 2nd offense and he clearly didn't learn a darn thing from the bomb threat call he made. Now it cost a life.
Well, part of the problem is the Education system in America has many flaws, a lot of things are not taught by parents, or by schools properly, and this is part of the reason kids drop out, commit crimes, or do drugs, or things like Swatting.
The Dangers of such should be taught in school in a class starting at Middle School but they aren't.
Sure I agree there are like 4 parties who deserve punishments here, and or fixes to make sure this can't ever happen again to anyone because there just is no excuse starting when it went to the 9/11 call center they should have immediately seen it could have been fake right there. (It's a problem with their systems.)
First, the Guy who gave the address needs to be found and punished (If they knew what was going to happen and what swatting means.)
Second, the guy who did the Prank, (Didn't actually commit the murder.)
Third, the dispatchers who failed to realize it was a prank given they have the technology or should to detect if it's fake or not (If not then they need to get the technology they should have had this already.
Fourth, the cop who shot a guy in their own home for no reason at all doesn't matter if he refused to listen to orders like it or not the cops were invading (His House) / (Property) without reason over false reports, and no warrant, he died at their hand thus making them just as guilty as a prank call regardless of who is right and who is wrong.
Obviously the SWAT or the Police will try to pin it on the person who did the call due to Cause and Effect if he had not have done it it's true that the guy would still be alive today, but there are also 3 other parties responsible for parts of the incident starting with the first that need to be dealt with.
"Swatting is the term used by gamers when one player makes a fake 9-1-1 call and directs police to the address of a person who may have offended them in an online game."
This is just wrong. Gamers did not invent this terrible practice. And it is not limited to gamers.
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Regardless of the criminal conviction, he will be sued in civil court and will be paying a ton of money.
Does not look like he has a dime to his name. He's got a girlish face. A landing strip though sideways and not vertical. Send him to prison and let them do some dental work and put him to good use. Probably the best thing he could ever offer society is being a comfort woman for hardened inmates.
"Swatting is the term used by gamers when one player makes a fake 9-1-1 call and directs police to the address of a person who may have offended them in an online game."
This is just wrong. Gamers did not invent this terrible practice. And it is not limited to gamers.
It's also part of society, so basically as humans life could be entirely different.
So we can all live are free people for example in America just saying but this means life of crime will happen, accidents will happen, and all that.
New World Order could happen, this is basically IMO where one Government controls the entire planet, not exactly such a bad thing if it were done (right) I can't really go into discussion on this matter because it can bring in religion which isn't allowed to talk about here, but generally there would be total anarchy unless a plague managed to wipe like a large percent of the population for example or war.
Then we got stuff like in the SYFY movies, and Games, like Deus EX, while Augmented humans may not be a real thing, it's totally possible to lose all your freedoms, we hear about things like generally speaking the NSA watching everyone, but imagine if everyone was being monitored 24/7 through all communications and this was more than public knowledge, imagine an AI that could dispatch the police automatically, crimes being detected by every CCTV camera a life with basically no crime?
Which could also involve Implanted Microchips for health information for example as well as many other neat things.
While a life like this sounds great, it involves giving up **Privacy** not something everyone wants to do?
How about Self Driving Cars, and UBER, for example, it's really already here just needs to be refined, but imagine never driving to work again no more accidents ever?
But then you have to worry about hackers getting control and being the real problem?
Although personally, I wouldn't mind living the SYFY experience if it meant crime was gone and life was way better.
"Swatting is the term used by gamers when one player makes a fake 9-1-1 call and directs police to the address of a person who may have offended them in an online game."
This is just wrong. Gamers did not invent this terrible practice. And it is not limited to gamers.
Agreed.
""Swatting is the term used by INSECURE ASSHOLES when one makes a fake 9-1-1 call and directs police to the address of a person who may have offended them in an online game."
Fixed it
And the offense could be anything, or even nothing - not just something in an online game. That's simply what occurred in this instance.
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unfortunately the caller will get a slap on the wrist in comparison to the damage he caused.
3 meals a day, no taxes, rent or utilities to pay and released early for good behavior.
he 'might' serve 13 months,but not likley
the police were pawns in this and were following their SoP , the 'assailant' in their eyes did not follow commands and was shot.
Apparently this isn't just his 2nd or 3rd time. It's more like his 30th time or something
Alas, like I said before, society would probably benefit a lot more if we just threw him off a cliff.
Nah throwing people off a cliff is murder, but I am talking serious here, instead of Death Penalty, if you have ever watched the movie "Elimination Game" "Death Race" or "Hunger Games"...
Then let's make a real-life TV series based off PUBG, on an island somewhere, where there is no chance of escape, and film it as a live sports event, only one survivor can go free I would totally pay top dollar to watch such an event on pay-per-view.
Police are not pawns. A natural reaction to being threatened at gunpoint is panic. It is a shoot first ask questions later mentality. If police opened fire in response to a display of an actual weapon rather than their preconceptions I imagine unjustified shootings would be rare.
I am reminded of a statistic I heard about german police from 2011. Their entire police force fired something like 80+ shots in an entire year, around 50 were warning shots. 19 of the people shot survived and 6 were killed.
How about not having a shoot first ask questions later policy?
Or, and I know for folks like yourself this is asking a lot, maybe people should follow police instructions? Or would you prefer that, if he had indeed drawn a weapon, a police officer's family now be in mourning as well?
How about we stop blaming the police and blame those actually responsible for this tragedy, the sacks of shit who put everyone involved into this situation to begin with? Or is that too much to ask as well?
Because it's not so cut and dry.
Blame the guy who called for creating the situation, but the use of force throughout most parts of America by police needs review. There can be fault in more than one place for the end result of this incident.
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The story says the man who answered the door was unarmed. There's no indication of threat. There's no indication of not following police instruction. What the **** is your issue dude?
Look in every western country where police get more training than US police get, fatalities are proportionately low. In the US, they start to qualify as extrajudicial killings, they are so common and superficially unnecessary relative to post-mortem (literally) assessed threat.
And in US cities where the perps are well armed but the cops are well trained in de-escalation and community policing and have additional training requirements in interventional methods, like in my metro Boston area? We get the cooperation of our community to shut down gangs. We get better informant information -- pro-actively offered. And we get fewer wounded and killed cops. And despite our gun laws, the criminals are still armed.
Grow up, learn to read statistics, and stop swollowing party line -- hook line and sinker -- and think for yourself and read up on the literature. You are sadly misinformed.
You dishonor the man who died. And to be honest, you dishonor the officer who is on administrative leave, who likely was badly served by his PD in his training.
The police or anybody else had no idea he was unarmed till AFTER the fact ..so pointless /point
The threat was in the 911 call (altho a hoax) the Police have no idea of this .. Other than 1 shot /2 hostages /house doused in gas ..
The man intially followed police instruction by putting his hands up when asked .. Then when asked to walk forward ..He did NOT comply .. Instead put hands down , turned his back and reached to his waist ..
If he had complied he would be alive today and we would not be talking about it ... I
Its unfortunate .........
...or shot in this case.
Wow dude, going a bit extreme don't you think?
I mean, this guy should 100% be punished, and an extensive prison sentence is due for sure
Public execution for a false police report may be going just a tad too far
The Dangers of such should be taught in school in a class starting at Middle School but they aren't.
Sure I agree there are like 4 parties who deserve punishments here, and or fixes to make sure this can't ever happen again to anyone because there just is no excuse starting when it went to the 9/11 call center they should have immediately seen it could have been fake right there. (It's a problem with their systems.)
First, the Guy who gave the address needs to be found and punished (If they knew what was going to happen and what swatting means.)
Second, the guy who did the Prank, (Didn't actually commit the murder.)
Third, the dispatchers who failed to realize it was a prank given they have the technology or should to detect if it's fake or not (If not then they need to get the technology they should have had this already.
Fourth, the cop who shot a guy in their own home for no reason at all doesn't matter if he refused to listen to orders like it or not the cops were invading (His House) / (Property) without reason over false reports, and no warrant, he died at their hand thus making them just as guilty as a prank call regardless of who is right and who is wrong.
Obviously the SWAT or the Police will try to pin it on the person who did the call due to Cause and Effect if he had not have done it it's true that the guy would still be alive today, but there are also 3 other parties responsible for parts of the incident starting with the first that need to be dealt with.
This is just wrong. Gamers did not invent this terrible practice. And it is not limited to gamers.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
So we can all live are free people for example in America just saying but this means life of crime will happen, accidents will happen, and all that.
New World Order could happen, this is basically IMO where one Government controls the entire planet, not exactly such a bad thing if it were done (right) I can't really go into discussion on this matter because it can bring in religion which isn't allowed to talk about here, but generally there would be total anarchy unless a plague managed to wipe like a large percent of the population for example or war.
Then we got stuff like in the SYFY movies, and Games, like Deus EX, while Augmented humans may not be a real thing, it's totally possible to lose all your freedoms, we hear about things like generally speaking the NSA watching everyone, but imagine if everyone was being monitored 24/7 through all communications and this was more than public knowledge, imagine an AI that could dispatch the police automatically, crimes being detected by every CCTV camera a life with basically no crime?
Which could also involve Implanted Microchips for health information for example as well as many other neat things.
While a life like this sounds great, it involves giving up **Privacy** not something everyone wants to do?
How about Self Driving Cars, and UBER, for example, it's really already here just needs to be refined, but imagine never driving to work again no more accidents ever?
But then you have to worry about hackers getting control and being the real problem?
Although personally, I wouldn't mind living the SYFY experience if it meant crime was gone and life was way better.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Always send your wife to answer the door
3 meals a day, no taxes, rent or utilities to pay and released early for good behavior.
he 'might' serve 13 months,but not likley
the police were pawns in this and were following their SoP , the 'assailant' in their eyes did not follow commands and was shot.
Apparently this isn't just his 2nd or 3rd time. It's more like his 30th time or something
Alas, like I said before, society would probably benefit a lot more if we just threw him off a cliff.
Then let's make a real-life TV series based off PUBG, on an island somewhere, where there is no chance of escape, and film it as a live sports event, only one survivor can go free I would totally pay top dollar to watch such an event on pay-per-view.
I am reminded of a statistic I heard about german police from 2011. Their entire police force fired something like 80+ shots in an entire year, around 50 were warning shots. 19 of the people shot survived and 6 were killed.
Officers need to be held to account too.
Re-frame it as 'unarmed white man gets shot dead'
crickets?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Blame the guy who called for creating the situation, but the use of force throughout most parts of America by police needs review. There can be fault in more than one place for the end result of this incident.