World of Warcraft - Our Guide to Keeping Busy Until Battle for Azeroth Arrives - MMORPG.com

SBFord · January 2018

World of Warcraft - Our Guide to Keeping Busy Until Battle for Azeroth Arrives - MMORPG.com

There are some immutable facts that we know about World of Warcraft as we sit here today. Antorus is the final raid in the Legion expansion. Battle for Azeroth has been revealed as the next chapter in the ongoing story. We have NO idea when it’s coming our way. What this means, dear readers, is that we are now officially in the doldrums when it comes to WoW. However, it can never be said that there’s “nothing to do in WoW” -- it wasn’t true a decade ago and it’s even less so today.

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WellzyC · January 2018

More like " Keeping busy until Classic arrives".

sycogenesis · January 2018

Yeah, contrary to popular believe not everybody is going to classic wow as we remember what i was like and don't care to go back. Also classic isn't coming in 2018 because they aren't going to have it take away from the hype of BFA it will most likely come during the next drought

Warlyx · January 2018

what about hidden artifact appareance?

, some are a pain in the rear to farm , i was hoping that come next expansion to solo it

Galadourn · January 2018

the classic WoW forums are the game to play while waiting.... for Classic

SBFord · January 2018

Warlyx said:

what about hidden artifact appareance? , some are a pain in the rear to farm , i was hoping that come next expansion to solo it

You should be able to. I'm looking forward to Emerald Nightmare and killing Ursoc to get the Druid tank appearance.

GeezerGamer · January 2018

If by "Battle for Azeroth" you mean "Classic WoW", my strategy is to play FFXIV until then.

Xingbairong · January 2018

My strategy remains unchanged since the launch of Legion... log once every few days for couple of minutes to see if something peaks your interest. If it doesn't go play some other game.

I'm just happy that while the WoW development team is flopping hard, the HotS team has been doing a great job(for the most part) and at least 1 of my 2 main games is still doing fine and it's only getting better and better.

Horusra · January 2018

Xingbairong said:

My strategy remains unchanged since the launch of Legion... log once every few days for couple of minutes to see if something peaks your interest. If it doesn't go play some other game.

I'm just happy that while the WoW development team is flopping hard, the HotS team has been doing a great job(for the most part) and at least 1 of my 2 main games is still doing fine and it's only getting better and better.

Flopping hard....personal opinions do not reflect reality.

Coolit · January 2018

Happily checking some other MMO's out while waiting for BFA however truth be told I have far more interest it what direction Blizzard go with Classic.

GeezerGamer · January 2018

sycogenesis said:

Yeah, contrary to popular believe not everybody is going to classic wow as we remember what i was like and don't care to go back. Also classic isn't coming in 2018 because they aren't going to have it take away from the hype of BFA it will most likely come during the next drought

But a lot of people are. And the sooner they release it, the sooner they will get more subs again. BFA Hype or no. If they are worried that Classic will "take away" from BFA, then what does that tell you about BFA?

JeffSpicoli · January 2018

Please tell me they are not bringing back legendarys for BFA, I miss getting weapon drops, Everyhting about that whole legendary business felt idiotic

SBFord · January 2018

@thunderC -- they've already said that the legendary system such as is in Legion is going away.

YAY!

@geezergamer There's no way that Classic and BfA will come out at the same time. I'd say BfA will be the focus of PR and will come out first followed by Classic at least 6 months, if not a year, later. They ARE working on it as the jobs listings have proven, but it's not the focus for the closest WoW release despite some folks' hopes. Their goal with Classic is to "get it right" and they're collecting fan input because the range of what people want from Classic is huge. Some want new models. Some don't. Some want transmog. Some don't.

Horusra · January 2018

thunderC said:

Please tell me they are not bringing back legendarys for BFA, I miss getting weapon drops, Everyhting about that whole legendary business felt idiotic

I completely disagree. I liked getting items to upgrade my weapon and advancing it with the forge. The old way you worked for one weapon and you were done.

Deadrites87 · January 2018

I logged in the other day did some world quests for about 30 mins and then almost fell asleep out of boredom. Whatever happened to keeping a playerbase playing a game because it's fun? It just seems like they make the type of design choices to keep people playing the game like its a job. Doing the same world quests over and over just for reputation so that you can play a reskinned race just feels mundane.

GeezerGamer · January 2018

SBFord said:

@thunderC -- they've already said that the legendary system such as is in Legion is going away. YAY!

@geezergamer There's no way that Classic and BfA will come out at the same time. I'd say BfA will be the focus of PR and will come out first followed by Classic at least 6 months, if not a year, later. They ARE working on it as the jobs listings have proven, but it's not the focus for the closest WoW release despite some folks' hopes. Their goal with Classic is to "get it right" and they're collecting fan input because the range of what people want from Classic is huge. Some want new models. Some don't. Some want transmog. Some don't.

Well. it's either Classic or it's not. If "getting it right" means fixing the bugs that existed, fine. Otherwise, if they start adding QOL features, then it's not really Classic. It's "Classic-Like" and then they aren't "getting it right"

SBFord · January 2018

GeezerGamer said:

SBFord said:

@thunderC -- they've already said that the legendary system such as is in Legion is going away. YAY!

@geezergamer There's no way that Classic and BfA will come out at the same time. I'd say BfA will be the focus of PR and will come out first followed by Classic at least 6 months, if not a year, later. They ARE working on it as the jobs listings have proven, but it's not the focus for the closest WoW release despite some folks' hopes. Their goal with Classic is to "get it right" and they're collecting fan input because the range of what people want from Classic is huge. Some want new models. Some don't. Some want transmog. Some don't.

Well. it's either Classic or it's not. If "getting it right" means fixing the bugs that existed, fine. Otherwise, if they start adding QOL features, then it's not really Classic. It's "Classic-Like" and then they aren't "getting it right"

You should go take a look at the official classic forums because the opinion on what "classic" represents is huge. That's why they're soliciting opinions and why it's going to take awhile for anything to happen.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/22814264/

Albatroes · January 2018

He was smart and put unsub towards the end of his vid. Most people probably stopped reading after that first point since they were thinking about it anyway.

Yaevindusk · January 2018

Good article. I'd be fine with just staying unsub'd until BFA. Though the thought of trying to play catch up with reputations to unlock the races weighs heavily on my mind and may bump that up to as soon as the next couple of days. Still have way too much to do and manage on FFXIV with all my crafters, gatherers, alts, alt's squadrons and retainers, leveling retainers, goldsaucer, potd statics, primal mounts, storylines, tomes, raids, new airships & preparing stacks of materials for submarines (and the new stacking limit / bag space / chocobo space in the next patch), treasure hunting, Aquapolis, alt classes, etc. Though at least I can do the retainer leveling while I get argussian reputation.

GeezerGamer · January 2018

SBFord said:

GeezerGamer said:

SBFord said:

@thunderC -- they've already said that the legendary system such as is in Legion is going away. YAY!

@geezergamer There's no way that Classic and BfA will come out at the same time. I'd say BfA will be the focus of PR and will come out first followed by Classic at least 6 months, if not a year, later. They ARE working on it as the jobs listings have proven, but it's not the focus for the closest WoW release despite some folks' hopes. Their goal with Classic is to "get it right" and they're collecting fan input because the range of what people want from Classic is huge. Some want new models. Some don't. Some want transmog. Some don't.

Well. it's either Classic or it's not. If "getting it right" means fixing the bugs that existed, fine. Otherwise, if they start adding QOL features, then it's not really Classic. It's "Classic-Like" and then they aren't "getting it right"

You should go take a look at the official classic forums because the opinion on what "classic" represents is huge. That's why they're soliciting opinions and why it's going to take awhile for anything to happen.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/22814264/

Which is the exact long road they took that put them in this place where players want Classic WoW. Classic WoW was not perfect and many hours sucked. But it worked for me and many others.

They can give BFA to everyone who wants all the new QOL features and functions and give Classic to those who want to re-play their nostalgic WoW (like me) from Vanilla. EFFING with that formula is what got them where they are now and probably won't work as well for either crowd.

Trying to find a happy medium in Classic is going to leave no one happy. QOL seekers will go back to BFA, and Classic WoW will go back to whatever they were doing up to this point.

Trying to please everyone? It's not gonna happen. They will fall flat on their face if they compromise on this. I am not reading that whole thread, but if they start doing all that, they'll end up with a fork and not Classic.

EDIT:
I hope I am wrong.

Albatroes · January 2018

Personally, I'll probably drop by 7.3.5 to test out the leveling 'revamp' (been saving my mage and hunter relevels for this) and just make enough money for the xpac (or make back the money from it if pre-orders start before then) and then stop until pre-xpac patch. Just hit 50 in ESO after sticking it out and they do a good job tempting you with their eso plus, also their instances are always fun regardless of how many times I run them, not sure why.

nemein1 · January 2018

i cant get into this hype for classic wow, i love wow story so not having an expansion with no new story seems boring to me, im in it for the story nothing else dungeons and raids are a bonus to me

Rukushin · January 2018

GeezerGamer said:

SBFord said:

GeezerGamer said:

SBFord said:

@thunderC -- they've already said that the legendary system such as is in Legion is going away. YAY!

@geezergamer There's no way that Classic and BfA will come out at the same time. I'd say BfA will be the focus of PR and will come out first followed by Classic at least 6 months, if not a year, later. They ARE working on it as the jobs listings have proven, but it's not the focus for the closest WoW release despite some folks' hopes. Their goal with Classic is to "get it right" and they're collecting fan input because the range of what people want from Classic is huge. Some want new models. Some don't. Some want transmog. Some don't.

Well. it's either Classic or it's not. If "getting it right" means fixing the bugs that existed, fine. Otherwise, if they start adding QOL features, then it's not really Classic. It's "Classic-Like" and then they aren't "getting it right"

You should go take a look at the official classic forums because the opinion on what "classic" represents is huge. That's why they're soliciting opinions and why it's going to take awhile for anything to happen.

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/22814264/

Which is the exact long road they took that put them in this place where players want Classic WoW. Classic WoW was not perfect and many hours sucked. But it worked for me and many others.

They can give BFA to everyone who wants all the new QOL features and functions and give Classic to those who want to re-play their nostalgic WoW (like me) from Vanilla. EFFING with that formula is what got them where they are now and probably won't work as well for either crowd.

Trying to find a happy medium in Classic is going to leave no one happy. QOL seekers will go back to BFA, and Classic WoW will go back to whatever they were doing up to this point.

Trying to please everyone? It's not gonna happen. They will fall flat on their face if they compromise on this. I am not reading that whole thread,
but if they start doing all that, they'll end up with a fork and not Classic.

EDIT:
I hope I am wrong.

My personal view on the whole thing and you start to touch on it was that with Classic they took the long road in terms of development time. They took something like 5-6 years developing Classic. Now they pump out an expansion in what 1-2 tops?

I think that its the crux of the matter and the reason why ever since Vanilla and Burning Crusade you've started to see less and less development time being spent, but a greater and greater amount of time at the end of the xpac where they stop updating and just leave the players hanging.

You see that FFXIV stays on a formula where every 3 months they push out some type of content no matter what, all the way up to the day the next xpac comes out. That works. Unfortunately having an 18-month content drought does not work. Having any type of content drought does not work really at all and for a customer who pays 15 dollars per month it's very blatantly disrespectful.

Ghavrigg · January 2018

Albatroes said:

He was smart and put unsub towards the end of his vid. Most people probably stopped reading after that first point since they were thinking about it anyway.

I disconcur, Fat Titty. You won't win!

GeezerGamer · January 2018

Torval said:

So what is classic WoW to you? Just to get you started on the right direction there are 12 major patch versions in "vanilla" and each has several sub-patches. Each major patch version contains features that the previous didn't but is still pre-BC. There is even a LFG tool in Vanilla with the LFD insta port coming right at the BC patch.

It's easy for people to throw out ultimatums like "just make it classic" but that doesn't mean one thing. They're not trying to please everyone. They're trying to please everyone in that small group of people who want Vanilla. There is a lot of variation in that group.

Honestly It's not that confusing. Nostalrius didn't have a problem figuring this out.

I've mentioned this earlier. Blizzard's changes over the years are what got us to where we want "Classic" now in the 1st place. So what? They are just going to find some popular hybridization? I'm willing to bet, that won't work out all that well. the further Blizzard moves away from Vanilla to establish "Classic" the fewer people will be interested long term. I just can't say I'd trust Blizzard to find a better sweet spot.

If It were my server, I would only worry about bug fixes and stay as true to the original code as possible given the new technologies

As for what patch.....I don't really care, As I said above, with Nostalrius, they went with the last Vanilla release. It really wasn't until later on in TBC with patch 2.3 that IMO WoW started to take the turn to what it is now.

aCi11i3s · January 2018

I actually just rolled my first dedicated alt in WoW in anticipation for BFA. I have never played more than one character in any game, other than the bank alts, and additional crafters / gatherers, etc. This time I decided to go back to Level 1, and play the old / new zones, and it has been amazing. So much of the landscape of course is different now after Cata, and even the quest dialogs (yes, I've been reading them) have changed to include the current events with The Legion. I started with the expectation to not enjoy it as much as I did in my first travels, but I have surprised myself. Is it just as good as my first journey through Azeroth? No, but perhaps close in a different way. And I even found a very active and progressive guild that isn't full of snot nosed shits. I love progression mixed with fun...go big with a smile or go home I say.

I would play the other mmos out there more, but I've played them all. FFXIV is fantastic, until it's time to pvp. Then it's upsetting at best, especially as my big Roegy PLD. Awesome story based mmo, instances, crafting, and housing, but it's still missing something....the pvp. "I miss Minfilia!!!"

I'd go back to Tyria, and this game has probably the best pvp in all mmos, great instances, progression, story, etc. PoF is a great expac, but the bg's are broke due to the new classes. Everyone wants to play what looks good, but not what works. SB war is almost an insult to warriors, and my zerk war will always wreck shop. This game is amazing!!!! (excluding jp's) and even still understands what hardcore progression is. In case you have never made a legendary weapon, without cheating of course. And this is what stops me in gW2. The availability of loot boxes and pay to kind-a-win. Probably the only mistake in the game. If Anet didn't hate us so much, they would just go to a sub like WoW and FFXIV.

I won't mention ESO because anyone that thinks that it's an mmo worth mentioning needs to put their console stick down and live a little. I'll leave that one for the kiddies to play around with when they are tired of minecraft and roblox.

WoW has always done it right. The biggest problem with WoW however is the player base. Yes everything is instant now, and thank God for it. Waiting to coordinate a raid today would still be nothing compared to the 40 man days. So!!! When you are in an instance, bg, questing, or wherever in Azeroth, SPEAK, be cordial and promote a community worth playing in. So many that play either don't communicate at all, probably out of fear, or only use toxic spit. This is and always will be WoW's biggest downfall. The player base....not the game.

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