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Epic Takes Another Cheater to Court for Publicizing Battle Royale V-Bucks Exploit - Fortnite News

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited January 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageEpic Takes Another Cheater to Court for Publicizing Battle Royale V-Bucks Exploit - Fortnite News

It appears that Epic is going to keep making examples of those who would cheat in Fortnite. It appears that a new suit has been filed against an individual named Yash Gosai from Auckland, New Zealand. The filing indicates that Gosai found an exploit in the Battle Royale portion of the game that allowed players to obtain the game's premium currency, V-Bucks, without paying for them. He then broadcast a

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  • 3dom3dom Member RarePosts: 889
    > infringe Epic's copyrights in Fortnite by copying, reproducing, preparing derivative works from, and / or displaying Fortnite publicly without Epic's permission.

    Dear MMORPG.com, are you sure you have Epic's permission to display Fortnite image publicly? One in the header of the article.
    SBFordingi

    Thank you for your time!

  • SignexSignex Member UncommonPosts: 319
    edited January 2018
    Wish more devs would do this to people that sell/publish cheats online.
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  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    edited January 2018
    Well I am glad they are taking these cheaters to court, games need to be rid of cheaters the website listed in one of those court documents own** **** website needs to be taken down, not sure what can be done about that but I found people posting on that site as well how to get people banned off games like Albion for example a user was clearly posting how to get random people banned you don't like or just for shits and giggles, as well as many cheats for other games something needs to be done.

    I guess if cheaters developers really want to not get caught now they need to start using fake YouTube accounts with VPN services, and keeping their information on the downlow so they cant get caught, because otherwise this will keep happening which is awesome they are getting lawsuit for this, but I search for Cheater / Hacker Videos on YouTube related to Fort Nite, and I find many.

    Also isn't there some kinda fair use laws when it comes to displaying images from games, or text for news articles and such when it comes to copyright?
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003

    Renoaku said:

    I guess if cheaters developers really want to not get caught now they need to start using fake YouTube accounts with VPN services, and keeping their information on the downlow so they cant get caught, because otherwise this will keep happening which is awesome they are getting lawsuit for this, but I search for Cheater / Hacker Videos on YouTube related to Fort Nite, and I find many.



    It depends on wether or not the VPN provider wants to go to jail instead of you...if a crime has been committed. Most will rat you out in a heartbeat.

    "Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead."

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  • KhegobierKhegobier Member UncommonPosts: 54
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.
    DaranarOzmodan
  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395
    Khegobier said:
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.
    The guy was stealing. The only flaw is in the guy's sense of morals.
  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    DMKano said:

    postlarval said:



    Renoaku said:


    I guess if cheaters developers really want to not get caught now they need to start using fake YouTube accounts with VPN services, and keeping their information on the downlow so they cant get caught, because otherwise this will keep happening which is awesome they are getting lawsuit for this, but I search for Cheater / Hacker Videos on YouTube related to Fort Nite, and I find many.






    It depends on wether or not the VPN provider wants to go to jail instead of you...if a crime has been committed. Most will rat you out in a heartbeat.



    "Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead."






    Two can keep a secret if both are dead.

    Fixed it for ya
    That's not really in the spirit of Franklin's quote, now is it? ;-)
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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,989
    This suit is wrong. Afaik it's Epic's own unmodified program that's creating the V-Bucks. If this suit passes then copyright holders will get the freedom to declare all unwanted in-game activities as copyright infringement.

    If people have cheated an online store, that shouldn't be allowed, but copyright legislation is wrong tool for that.
    Daranar
     
  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150
    I can't take publishers seriously when they speak of integrity for an early access game with a loot pinata cash shop.
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  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    edited January 2018
    Khegobier said:
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.

    Yeah a store owner should have no recourse either when someone walks out of a store with product who gets away with it then huh?  Since it was the store owners fault for not having enough security.....

    Boy we have a genius in our midst.
  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    Shaigh said:
    I can't take publishers seriously when they speak of integrity for an early access game with a loot pinata cash shop.

    I can't take anyone seriously who doesn't understand the word "optional"
    AeanderSBFordMrMelGibson
  • Rogal_UrsonRogal_Urson Member UncommonPosts: 26
    For all of you defending the developer's actions, let me point one major glaring issue. Could the reason be that they are going after cheaters so hardcore is the fact that the cheaters are publicizing the major issues of the game? A lot of developers lately have been not as responsive when informed of these so-called "bugs" . When players of a game have to publicly point out that these exploits exist knowing that the developer was previously informed of it and did nothing, then it falls on the developer to perform better QA.

    If I was the lawyer for these two, one of the first questions out of my mouth in court would be "Once you saw the videos of the exploit, did you have your programming staff work to patch said exploit in the game, or did you first decide to sue my clients?"
    Daranar
  • Jamar870Jamar870 Member UncommonPosts: 573
    Then the company lawyer could ask "Did your client make any attempt to notify my client of the exploit and also not take advantage of it them self?"
  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 392
    edited January 2018

    Golelorn said:


    Khegobier said:

    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.


    The guy was stealing. The only flaw is in the guy's sense of morals.



    One has to ask, was he stealing? So in a store you are actually taking either a product that the owner has, removing it from his possession and and adding it to yours (confiscation). Or you are taking money (real currency) FROM him and giving it TO you. Now in this paradigm there is no confiscation. The guy is tricking a machine to tell itself that he has more of something he doesn't. Epic has truly loss nothing. Now their trends SUGGEST they lost sales but simply put, that's impossible to pin down.

    Now, lets look at theft in the music industry. Again, the artist isn't losing a physical product or actual currency however the artist is losing their rights to their creative work protected by copyright law. But unfortunately here this version of the game is free and V-Bucks aren't a creative work protected by copyright law. The game is. So I suppose since this is in copyright court right? That this is then a case to set a precedent that virtual currency itself is protected by copyright law. That's a scary road to go down IMO.

    If taking advantage of an exploit is illegal then get ready for EULAs to be 10x the size they already are because you need to detail what is and is not an exploit. There are definitely holes all over this lawsuit that are a bit deeper than any of us care to take the time to address. But sadly it will likely result in a full victory for EPIC. Gotta love when billion dollar companies sue the pants off of joe shmoe.

    Even if you conclude this is theft, it doesn't change the fact that I lost a ton of respect for Metallica in the whole Napster ordeal.

    In the end, I think it's funny that EPIC has to sue everyone and their brother to 'protect' their 'second to PUBG' game while PUBG seems to be able to create much larger success without taking kids to court. Makes you stop and think about if the PR hit could outweigh the so-called 'losses'.

    If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!


  • postlarvalpostlarval Member EpicPosts: 2,003
    For all of you defending the developer's actions, let me point one major glaring issue. Could the reason be that they are going after cheaters so hardcore is the fact that the cheaters are publicizing the major issues of the game? A lot of developers lately have been not as responsive when informed of these so-called "bugs" . When players of a game have to publicly point out that these exploits exist knowing that the developer was previously informed of it and did nothing, then it falls on the developer to perform better QA.

    If I was the lawyer for these two, one of the first questions out of my mouth in court would be "Once you saw the videos of the exploit, did you have your programming staff work to patch said exploit in the game, or did you first decide to sue my clients?"
    So now we are second guessing developer motives and denouncing them as deceptive and evil, and because "our side" is good the ends justify the means?

    Wasn't true when Lenin said it and it isn't now.

    MrMelGibson
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,936
    edited January 2018
    Khegobier said:
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.
    Interesting way you have of thinking. So if you leave your door unlocked and thieves take some of your more precious belongings it's ok that they stole them as it's your fault.

    Completely interesting.
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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Torval said:
    Daranar said:
    Golelorn said:
    Khegobier said:
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.
    The guy was stealing. The only flaw is in the guy's sense of morals.
    One has to ask, was he stealing? 
    No, one doesn't. When you need to write 350 words to try and explain why this "doesn't count" as theft, then you already know the answer.
    I have to disagree here.  The flaw in the software is the issue here.  Their solution is to fix the flaw filing a lawsuit just makes the company look like the incompetent designers they are!  Secondly it will not lessen all the cheaters in the game and that is because of really bad design decisions.
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    If he was able to make a simple "how to" video for everyone on YouTube and it worked then how is it not the developers fault.
  • DaranarDaranar Member UncommonPosts: 392
    Torval said:
    Daranar said:
    Golelorn said:
    Khegobier said:
    "I'm taking you to court over a flaw in my software."

    Wait, what?  I know protecting a revenue stream is paramount in today's society, but if it's your own damn fault you're just wasting the court's time.  Fix the bug and be on your merry way.
    The guy was stealing. The only flaw is in the guy's sense of morals.
    One has to ask, was he stealing? 
    No, one doesn't. When you need to write 350 words to try and explain why this "doesn't count" as theft, then you already know the answer.
    Sorry, what does the length of my post have to do with not needing to ask the question/knowing the answer?  Because I didn't present my opinion in a twitteresque 144 character 1st grade response it is somehow immediately discredited?   That's a sad suggestion.  

    If I want a world in which people can purchase success and power with cash, I'll play Real Life. Keep Virtual Worlds Virtual!


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