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Crytek Filing Lawsuit Against CIG

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  • VrikaVrika Member LegendaryPosts: 7,990
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    MaxBaconOctagon7711Babuinix
     
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
  • KefoKefo Member EpicPosts: 4,229
    Babuinix said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says
    You mean exactly like what the haters do? :D
    Yeah not quite
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Kefo said:
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
    Just a form of mental masturbation when argument are done just for the joy of the debate.  Look at this thread for example, 25 pages and have anyone's opinion of SC really been changed?  

    "We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa      "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."  SR Covey

  • LinifLinif Member UncommonPosts: 340
    Kefo said:
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
    Just a form of mental masturbation when argument are done just for the joy of the debate.  Look at this thread for example, 25 pages and have anyone's opinion of SC really been changed?  
    With topics like these, has anyone ever changed their mind/stance?

    To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen someone genuinely come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong, admitted it, then moved on... at least on an online forum.
    Octagon7711
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    Linif said:
    Kefo said:
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
    Just a form of mental masturbation when argument are done just for the joy of the debate.  Look at this thread for example, 25 pages and have anyone's opinion of SC really been changed?  
    With topics like these, has anyone ever changed their mind/stance?

    To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen someone genuinely come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong, admitted it, then moved on... at least on an online forum.
    A lot have come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong several times in the last years:

    - CIG/Star Citizen can't survive year 2015/16/17/18...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make big maps for a space-sim with CryEngine...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't integrate Dogfighting-FPS-EVA gameplay seamlessly...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make Star Marine module...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make seamless landings on procedural planets in CryEngine...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the Capital ship's work (idris)...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the performance capture work ingame...
     
    They just lack the spine to come forward and admit it that's all.

    Octagon7711
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Babuinix said:
    Linif said:
    Kefo said:
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
    Just a form of mental masturbation when argument are done just for the joy of the debate.  Look at this thread for example, 25 pages and have anyone's opinion of SC really been changed?  
    With topics like these, has anyone ever changed their mind/stance?

    To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen someone genuinely come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong, admitted it, then moved on... at least on an online forum.
    A lot have come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong several times in the last years:

    - CIG/Star Citizen can't survive year 2015/16/17/18...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make big maps for a space-sim with CryEngine...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't integrate Dogfighting-FPS-EVA gameplay seamlessly...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make Star Marine module...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make seamless landings on procedural planets in CryEngine...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the Capital ship's work (idris)...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the performance capture work ingame...
     
    They just lack the spine to come forward and admit it that's all.

    Please stay to the facts, thank you.

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    Babuinix said:
    Linif said:
    Kefo said:
    Vrika said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The only person who keeps spouting off that 90 days thing anymore probably jus about anywhere is you. 

    The people who who think this game is headed for the shitter don’t need Derek Smart to tell us how to think. The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says and treat it as gospel
    For some it's not about Star Citizen any more.

    It's about the importance of being right when those whose opinions you dislike are wrong.
    Isn’t that what every argument is about?
    Just a form of mental masturbation when argument are done just for the joy of the debate.  Look at this thread for example, 25 pages and have anyone's opinion of SC really been changed?  
    With topics like these, has anyone ever changed their mind/stance?

    To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen someone genuinely come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong, admitted it, then moved on... at least on an online forum.
    A lot have come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong several times in the last years:

    - CIG/Star Citizen can't survive year 2015/16/17/18...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make big maps for a space-sim with CryEngine...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't integrate Dogfighting-FPS-EVA gameplay seamlessly...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make Star Marine module...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make seamless landings on procedural planets in CryEngine...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the Capital ship's work (idris)...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the performance capture work ingame...
     
    They just lack the spine to come forward and admit it that's all.

    Please stay to the facts, thank you.
    No problem Commando.
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Babuinix said:
    A lot have come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong several times in the last years:

    - CIG/Star Citizen can't survive year 2015/16/17/18...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make big maps for a space-sim with CryEngine...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't integrate Dogfighting-FPS-EVA gameplay seamlessly...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make Star Marine module...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make seamless landings on procedural planets in CryEngine...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the Capital ship's work (idris)...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the performance capture work ingame...
     
    They just lack the spine to come forward and admit it that's all.


    You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over Derek Smart's posts, why is that?
  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    Not just a straw man, but a straw army....

    If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    Babuinix said:
    A lot have come to the conclusion that their opinion is wrong several times in the last years:

    - CIG/Star Citizen can't survive year 2015/16/17/18...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make big maps for a space-sim with CryEngine...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't integrate Dogfighting-FPS-EVA gameplay seamlessly...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make Star Marine module...
    - CIG/Star Citizen can't make seamless landings on procedural planets in CryEngine...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the Capital ship's work (idris)...
    - CIG/Squadron42 can't make the performance capture work ingame...
     
    They just lack the spine to come forward and admit it that's all.


    You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing over Derek Smart's posts, why is that?
    Derek who? I'm talking about armchair developers not failed developers lol
  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    Will they stream the trial on twitch?
    Babuinix
  • RouzukiRouzuki Member UncommonPosts: 66
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    Kefo said:
    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    The cult of star citizen though tends to hang onto every word Christ Roberts says
    You mean exactly like what the haters do? :D
    Yeah not quite
    Yeah, the haters take it quite a few steps further. My goodness, if I could only love something with the same ferocity and passion that they hate SC and SC fanboys.
    Babuinix
  • EldrachEldrach Member RarePosts: 465
    While Derek is a retard, i do believe the SC funding is reaching a point where it's just silly. ..Selling imaginary plots of land...really? 
    Babuinix
  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,078
    Eldrach said:
    While Derek is a retard, i do believe the SC funding is reaching a point where it's just silly. ..Selling imaginary plots of land...really? 
    Derek Smart has multiple PhDs, apparently.  If true, that's something I respect.

    He could be flat out lying.  This is the internet, after all.

    Babuinix said:
    I think it's ironic that "people" who seem to have banded together in a desperate "doomsday" crusade against Star Citizen and it's backers call them a cult when themselves act exactly like one lol

    After 3 years one would think they would have learned their lesson but nop still hanging on that dream of seeing Star Citizen collapse. 2018 is the year for sure, 90 day's top etc...
    yourlogicalfallacyis.com tu quoque
    Babuinix

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  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    Derek Smart made very good points,more effort put into them than anything SC does ...ever.

    Weather he is correct or not,they are often opinions that you would NEVER get a straight truthful answer out of a SC exec.

    I find it hilarious that people think others are  on some crusade to see the game fail,umm you people are truly delusional.Most EVERYONE both sides of the fence,have simply asked that this so called great game that could be made in 2 years releases,THEN and only then start improving the game with all these so called stretch goals.

    Instead CHRIS,the guy in charge of all of this is giving his business and the game a lot of discredit,HE is doing that,not any viewers from the outside.

    MOST every single complaint is geared towards CHRIS ,NOT the game.I am sure even complete haters wouldn't mind if the game releases,anyone can still weigh in with their thoughts/opinions but at least it becomes then about improving the game and not all about Chris's terrible management.

    There lies another opinionated topic,is it bad management,well depends what side of the fence your on,one that wants a game to play or one that simply vies for the best possible way to make money.If your a gamer,why would you care how much money he makes or wastes,you want a game,at least i hope you would want a game and not this cash shop in space.

    There is yet more angles,do YOU people want a cash shop in space or a game you EARN your way every step of the way?Do you want an IMMERSIVE game or a cash shop,so far YOU the supporters are ruining the game itself,nobody forced YOU to BUY and take part in rmt activity to support the game.So you people ruined the integrity of this game and business on your own and NOT the haters or onlookers,blame yourselves.
    KefoMaxBaconBabuinixAsm0deus

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    Wizardry said:
    I find it hilarious that people think others are  on some crusade to see the game fail,umm you people are truly delusional.
    Most delusional are those who don't see that there is a crusade that not only wants, proactively tries to undermine it any way they can.

    From propaganda campaigns to even things I never thought some people would try to go as far as...

    ...crowdfunding a lawsuit in the UK to attempt to get CIG to lose their tax grant in the UK (and celebrating that prospect), but whatever, keep telling yourself whatever you want to hear: "The evil SC fans".
    Babuinix
  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    That sounds interesting, do you have any source to back these claims? Both the propaganda campaigns and crowdfunded lawsuit sound particularly epic.
    Babuinix
  • adamlotus75adamlotus75 Member UncommonPosts: 387
    Big week for CIG and CryTek. 
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    Big week for CIG and CryTek. 
    Not really for CIG, maybe for CryTek...

    For CIG getting another million $dollars is nothing by now, ok it's 178$million for a crowdfunded game, but when you look at the people behind it and the work they've put into it it's normal by now.

    They showcase stuff that gamers want and gamers pledge because they like the direction the game is heading.

    As for Crytek and their latest game, Hunt:Showdown I don't think it will set the world alight but looks cool nonetheless and might generate some sales but not enough to bring them to their former glory.

    Seems like a dead end really, probably will suffer from the same fate as all the companies/developers that tried to get in Star Citizen's way and feed from it's success. Another escapist/smartist/goonist burial in the making.

    Hope not, Crytek deservers better for Crysis and CryEngine alone. 
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    That sounds interesting, do you have any source to back these claims? Both the propaganda campaigns and crowdfunded lawsuit sound particularly epic.
    Here. "This will be the straw that breaks the camels back, without that tax rebate the entire Star Citizen project collapses" ... "I'm just doing this to fuck CIG" ... "I also need help with the filing fees" (+$1000 USD).

    Because just wishing SC to fail is not enough for some people, it's a level of hatred I've only seen before involving topics like religion and politics.
    BabuinixZandogGdemami
  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    That sounds interesting, do you have any source to back these claims? Both the propaganda campaigns and crowdfunded lawsuit sound particularly epic.
    Here. "This will be the straw that breaks the camels back, without that tax rebate the entire Star Citizen project collapses" ... "I'm just doing this to fuck CIG" ... "I also need help with the filing fees" (+$1000 USD).

    Because just wishing SC to fail is not enough for some people, it's a level of hatred I've only seen before involving topics like religion and politics.
    LoL that's just one of the desperate dsmarties goon lackey's trying to earn "goon cred" with the usual mumbojumbo lol

    It's as sad as endearing to see people go to greater lengths to harm a video-game project while neglecting their personal health, life and family&friends....

    Poor guys will feel awful when they finally realise how much of their life was wasted hating on something as frugal as a space-sim game lol... 
    kikoodutroa8Zandog
  • kikoodutroa8kikoodutroa8 Member RarePosts: 565
    MaxBacon said:
    That sounds interesting, do you have any source to back these claims? Both the propaganda campaigns and crowdfunded lawsuit sound particularly epic.
    Here. "This will be the straw that breaks the camels back, without that tax rebate the entire Star Citizen project collapses" ... "I'm just doing this to fuck CIG" ... "I also need help with the filing fees" (+$1000 USD).

    Because just wishing SC to fail is not enough for some people, it's a level of hatred I've only seen before involving topics like religion and politics.
    Well I'm no youtube lawyer so I won't claim if these people are right or not, but tax fraud is a serious bizness. If CIG are actually guilty of it, don't expect much love from the taxpayers.
    I kinda find it interesting how you focus on some parts and interpret them as "hatred", yet totally ignore the cause of this action.
    Still, thanks for the link. What about the propaganda campaign?
    MaxBaconTalonsinBabuinix
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    I mean comparing to Smart, DS just cashes on the attention he gets, but people like this literally undertaken a mission to destroy Star Citizen, and they actively do things to attempt to cause harm, their goal with this was literally put hundreds of people out of a job so they could feel better about themselves or to be sort of hero in their deluded mind.

    On that specific case it just goes beyond trolling for me, it's something I never imagined I would witness and when I see those people here with those arguments about the "evil fans" or have no idea or pretend to how this have already went to the level some became consumed by hatred against a videogame, against the company itself or against Chris Roberts and his family.

    Well I'm no youtube lawyer so I won't claim if these people are right or not, but tax fraud is a serious bizness. If CIG are actually guilty of it, don't expect much love from the taxpayers.
    I kinda find it interesting how you focus on some parts and interpret them as "hatred", yet totally ignore the cause of this action.
    Still, thanks for the link. What about the propaganda campaign?
    The whole thing is utter nonsense, hollow statements without evidence (streetroller the return dejavu much?) and based on assumptions from someone blinded by hatred trying to harm the company they so much hate, you don't mix bias in the reading of the law. You go tell yourself this is for a bigger cause, such honorable mission that is trying to put hundreds out of a job lol, "I'm just doing this to fuck CIG" wasn't taken out of context and not even you can spin that otherwise.
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  • BabuinixBabuinix Member EpicPosts: 4,463
    edited February 2018
    Well you must understand that for some folks Star Citizen was the ultimate path to their child gaming-heaven memories, the last hope of finally incarnating Skywalker/Malcolm/etc in a online world, they had great expectations!

    Somehow those expectations were not met by Chris Roberts and Star Citizen and that has not only broke their hearts but it's ongoing success is now like an open wound.

    Every major update, every million raised. Basically every positive Star Citizen event feels like CIG / Chris Roberts/ Star Citizen / Backers are twisting that knife deeper and deeper making the wound bigger and more painful as it goes...

    The problem (for them) is that it's only the beginning really...
    As the games features become more and more flesh out the more gameplay emerges, the more awareness and attention it garners and more supporters it gets.

    And Squadron42 is not even out yet, a video-game that joins Skywalker, Churchill, Dana Scully, Smeagol, Gimli, Ser Davos and many other high profile world-wide-known Hollywood actors...

    Damn...things (wound-pain) will arguably become much worse (bigger-unbearable) for a few... while continue to get exponentially better for a lot of Star Citizens...

    2018 will be a another great year indeed. Can't wait for 2019 now that I think of it.
    Post edited by Babuinix on
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