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From seamless universe MMO to region locked fixed single map arena game with multiple instances.

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,618
    Asm0deus said:
    Ahh the quoting wars...lol

    The thing with quoting is that it usually never a good idea to quote only part of a sentence or even quote one whole sentence as it can be used to manipulate the meaning or intent of the communication to something else, and this can be done easily even unintentionally.

    For example:

    "
    we have a kinda different kind of server design now that could potentially have thousands of players all in the same sort of area "  - Chris Roberts

    means something different than:

    " have thousands of players all in the same sort of area " - Chris Roberts

    Those simple two words "could potentially" changes much.  That's not even taking into account the context of the rest that has been cut out.


    Nothing was cut out. That is exactly why i provided the full quote twice in this thread, which you must have missed. Then Mr. Bacon said i am manipulating it, rambled about SERVERS although no one ever but him mentioned servers and it is the full quote from Chris Roberts. Hence my confusion.

    Would you not agree that to be correct?
    I think perhaps you are feeling defensive.  I only pointed out this partial quoting is causing the thread and the main issue to be confused.  Generally speaking it's best to only ...snip... quotes, for space reasons, when they are getting out of hand.  Dunno why you seem to think I am speaking to you when I haven't quoted anyone and there's plenty of people posting in this thread?




    If you read the full quote which you indeed did provide there's not much to be confused about though.  It's simply CIG saying they have put this first "mesh system" in place but that they will be adding to it down the line...which is pretty much inline with how they have been doing things.

    Dunno but seems to me people are reading far too much into this which isn't there in some kind of kneejerk reaction or possibly some kind of troll attempt.


    Gdemami

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    @SedrynTyros tagging you not because I have a point, but because I know you hate threads like these and I'm feeling mischievous.  :D
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  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    edited February 2018

    MaxBacon said:
    So because of my thread title the quote from Chris Roberts is manipulated? Now that does not make sense at all.

    Where have i manipulated anything in that post?

    Why did you delete your post stating i manipulated Chris Roberts quote?
    I wasn't aiming at the post only, yet at your thread, especially how you come up with such a misleading thread title, implying stuff changed when you come up with "arena game with multiple instances". 

    Maybe it's just clickbait.



    Where have i manipulated anything in that post?

    Why did you delete your post stating i manipulated Chris Roberts quote?

    More importantly: HOW DID YOU DELETE YOUR POST? I don't see that normal users can delete posts (i am new, maybe i am missing something)
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    "(i am new, maybe i am missing something) 

    @CryptoCrow are you really? Surely not one alt account of Excession?!

    At this point it's so transparent that while I think I'm seeing ghosts I tend to be seeing Excession's alt accounts ban evading due to his obsession with SC:

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/Dizisma
    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/ByrgenarHofen
    https://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/randomhuman

    This exact dejavu experience makes me sick. I may be wrong but you come here in your first SC post with the whole narrative on SC already fully prepared and all that jazz, I can't even pretend anymore on the intent behind threads as this.
    TheScavengerGdemamiCryptoCrowKyleranMrMelGibson
  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    @CryptoCrow you are Excession aren't you?!

    At this point it's so transparent that while I think I'm seeing ghosts I tend to be seeing Excession's alt accounts ban evading:

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/Dizisma
    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/ByrgenarHofen
    https://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/randomhuman

    This dejavu experience makes me sick.
    So now we reached the point where you move from harassment and bashing to character assassination. Obviously in an attempt to get me somehow banned.

    This is really bizarre and i have honestly never seen anything like this happen on any forum i have been a member on.

    Can you answer my question: How did you delete your post?


    PS: Serious questions to anyone reading this:

    How can he delete his own posts?
    Is this normal behavior around here, am i being too sensitive?
    TheScavengerMaxBaconberenim
  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    MaxBacon said:
    "(i am new, maybe i am missing something) 

    @CryptoCrow are you really? Surely not one alt account of Excession?!

    At this point it's so transparent that while I think I'm seeing ghosts I tend to be seeing Excession's alt accounts ban evading due to his obsession with SC:

    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/Dizisma
    http://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/ByrgenarHofen
    https://forums.mmorpg.com/profile/randomhuman

    This exact dejavu experience makes me sick. I may be wrong but you come here in your first SC post with the whole narrative on SC already fully prepared and all that jazz, I can't even pretend anymore on the intent behind threads as this.
      Pot meet kettle..


    BabuinixTheScavengerMaxBaconrpmcmurphyMrMelGibson
  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    You know what, i spare you the trouble @MaxBacon I don't want anything to do with a community this toxic. I am going to delete my account. This place is a real mess.
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    Okay, the thing is what you say is exactly the type of response that guy would also post, and for me, the situation with him was too much, someone who developed a personal grudge against me when he was around and even endured such behavior on his follow-up accounts ban evading, so I'm sorry but when I feel this is the same ol'dejavu as the past situations in past months, I do not want to endure through this again, so I've sent this to the ones responsible for this sort of situations.
    Post edited by MaxBacon on
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  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    Okay, the thing is what you say is exactly the type of response that guy would also post, and for me, the situation with him was too much, someone who developed a personal grudge against me when he was around and even endured such behavior on his follow-up accounts ban evading, so I'm sorry but when I feel this is the same ol'dejavu as the past situations in past months, I do not want to endure through this again.

    It's fine we tend to have the normal bickering at each other when it comes to SC discussions, but when the vibe transmitted is literal hatred against another person, that is a bit too much. So and to be fair this is not a matter for to be talked about even, I've sent this to the ones responsible for this sort of situations.
      Dude are you serious here? He was asking simple questions in response of claims you made. How do you translated that into some kind of hate thing is beyond me. I saw an attempt at a civil discussion and you go getting all bleeding snowflake up in here.

    Simmer down dewd...
    MaxBaconTheScavengerberenimMaurgrimEpicJohnson
  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    Okay, the thing is what you say is exactly the type of response that guy would also post, and for me, the situation with him was too much, someone who developed a personal grudge against me when he was around and even endured such behavior on his follow-up accounts ban evading, so I'm sorry but when I feel this is the same ol'dejavu as the past situations in past months, I do not want to endure through this again.

    It's fine we tend to have the normal bickering at each other when it comes to SC discussions, but when the vibe transmitted is literal hatred against another person, that is a bit too much. So and to be fair this is not a matter for to be talked about even, I've sent this to the ones responsible for this sort of situations.
    Now you accusing me of hatred towards you?

    I would like you to point out to me where i showed hate towards anyone especially you. Where have i transmitted literal hatred against another person?

    What sort of situation? What exactly have i done?

    I have been very calm and polite this whole time with not once insulting you or attacking your character.

    Yet you have done nothing but bashing, harassing, trying to assassinate my character and accusing me of all sorts of things the whole time.

    Really like to know how you deleted your post. Can you answer at least that one question?


    TheScavengerMaxBaconMaurgrim
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    WalkinGlenn said:  Dude are you serious here? He was asking simple questions in response of claims you made. How do you translated that into some kind of hate thing is beyond me. I saw an attempt at a civil discussion and you go getting all bleeding snowflake up in here.

    !?
    I'm talking about the history, especially with his previous alt accounts it started the same way, then it developed. So no, not talking about this specific situation, and why I reacted in such a matter in the first place is because I'm on a dejavu as with Excession's 4 previous accounts, same narrative, same tone, I'd prefer to proactively know this is not the same person and prevent falling into a repeat of before.

    CryptoCrow said:
    Now you accusing me of hatred towards you?

    I would like you to point out to me where i showed hate towards anyone especially you. Where have i transmitted literal hatred against another person?

    What sort of situation? What exactly have i done?

    I have been very calm and polite this whole time with not once insulting you or attacking your character.

    Yet you have done exactly that the whole time.
    See previous response I address that, the fact I react in such a way to you is because I think you are him, hence when I talk to you brings in the history with him/you.
    TheScavengerGdemamiMaurgrimMrMelGibson
  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    MaxBacon said:
    WalkinGlenn said:  Dude are you serious here? He was asking simple questions in response of claims you made. How do you translated that into some kind of hate thing is beyond me. I saw an attempt at a civil discussion and you go getting all bleeding snowflake up in here.

    !?
    I'm talking about the history, especially with his previous alt accounts it started the same way, then it developed. So no, not talking about this specific situation, and why I reacted in such a matter in the first place is because I'm on a dejavu as with Excession's 4 previous accounts, same narrative, same tone, I'd prefer to proactively know this is not the same person and prevent falling into a repeat of before.

    CryptoCrow said:
    Now you accusing me of hatred towards you?

    I would like you to point out to me where i showed hate towards anyone especially you. Where have i transmitted literal hatred against another person?

    What sort of situation? What exactly have i done?

    I have been very calm and polite this whole time with not once insulting you or attacking your character.

    Yet you have done exactly that the whole time.
    See previous response I address that, the fact I react in such a way to you is because I think you are him, hence when I talk to you brings in the history with him/you.
    So you're saying I'm also CryptoCrow? lol


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  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    edited February 2018
    delete... double post
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  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    edited February 2018
    MaxBacon said:
    WalkinGlenn said:  Dude are you serious here? He was asking simple questions in response of claims you made. How do you translated that into some kind of hate thing is beyond me. I saw an attempt at a civil discussion and you go getting all bleeding snowflake up in here.

    !?
    I'm talking about the history, especially with his previous alt accounts it started the same way, then it developed. So no, not talking about this specific situation, and why I reacted in such a matter in the first place is because I'm on a dejavu as with Excession's 4 previous accounts, same narrative, same tone, I'd prefer to proactively know this is not the same person and prevent falling into a repeat of before.

    CryptoCrow said:
    Now you accusing me of hatred towards you?

    I would like you to point out to me where i showed hate towards anyone especially you. Where have i transmitted literal hatred against another person?

    What sort of situation? What exactly have i done?

    I have been very calm and polite this whole time with not once insulting you or attacking your character.

    Yet you have done exactly that the whole time.
    See previous response I address that, the fact I react in such a way to you is because I think you are him, hence when I talk to you brings in the history with him/you.
    I really don't know what you are talking about with this other person and what it has to do with you accusing me of showing hatred towards you. That is a pretty serious accusation are you even aware of that?

    You clearly accused me of hatred. Please point me to where i have shown hatred towards you?

    You deleted your post. How did you do that?

    Answer the 2 simple questions please. It's really not hard.
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
    So you're saying I'm also CryptoCrow? lol
    No.

    I really don't know what you are talking about with this other person and what it has to do with you accusing me of showing hatred towards you. That is a pretty serious accusation are you even aware of that?

    You clearly accused me of hatred. Please point me to where i have shown hatred towards you?

    You deleted your post. How did you do that?

    Answer the 2 simple questions please. It's really not hard.
    No you got that wrong, I accused Excession of hatred, yet and as I've said I accused you of being his alt account ban evading (hence why I reported it), so I'm not talking about what you did or said just now, and you shouldn't take the hat if you're not him.
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  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    Why do the super fans always derail anything negative about this game? Case in point this thread. Goes from on topic to accusing people to not be who they say they are. Even sucked me into this silly crap.

    On another note, and in an attempt to try and get back on topic.. Personally I never believed for a second that this game would be able to support even close to a hundred "on grid" or instance, whatever you wanna call it, let alone a thousand... or thousands.
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited February 2018
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    Post edited by MaxBacon on
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  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    MaxBacon said:
    So you're saying I'm also CryptoCrow? lol
    No.

    I really don't know what you are talking about with this other person and what it has to do with you accusing me of showing hatred towards you. That is a pretty serious accusation are you even aware of that?

    You clearly accused me of hatred. Please point me to where i have shown hatred towards you?

    You deleted your post. How did you do that?

    Answer the 2 simple questions please. It's really not hard.
    No you got that wrong, I accused Excession of hatred, yet and as I've said I accused you of being his alt account ban evading (hence why I reported it), so I'm not talking about what you did or said just now, and you shouldn't take the hat if you're not him.

    No, for one, you accused me of hatred by accusing me of being this Person. Do you even realize what you are typing. These are some serious accusations and all you do is keep piling them on to me for this whole thread. You even went so far as to report me to the responsible persons for what i have no idea about because i did nothing wrong. I was very polite and simply asked you questions.

    This is what you said: 

    MaxBacon said:

    It's fine we tend to have the normal bickering at each other when it comes to SC discussions, but when the vibe transmitted is literal hatred against another person, that is a bit too much. So and to be fair this is not a matter for to be talked about even, I've sent this to the ones responsible for this sort of situations.
    So according to you i transmitted a vibe of hatred. Don't bother to answer this or come up with more excuses. I think we are past this stage.

    The only thing i wan to know now is how you deleted your own post!

    Simple question.


    TheScavengerMaxBaconberenim
  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451


    The only thing i wan to know now is how you deleted your own post!

    Simple question.


      I would also like to know because for the life of me I sure as hell can't figure it out. Usually I just put "please delete" or "double post", lol
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • esc-joconnoresc-joconnor Member RarePosts: 1,097
    Seeing as there doesn't seem to be any possibility of friendly discussion on the topic of Star Citizen, can it be included in the banned subject list?
    I can't see the difference between this and discussions about religion or politics.
    Keep dropping the news stories, with commenting locked.
    TheScavengerKyleranMrMelGibson
  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54


    The only thing i wan to know now is how you deleted your own post!

    Simple question.


      I would also like to know because for the life of me I sure as hell can't figure it out. Usually I just put "please delete" or "double post", lol
    I think it's fair to assume he has some connections to the admins or he has special privileges to delete his posts. There is pretty much no other explanation.

    He is also very good at derailing the thread and pushing it into a direction where admins have no other chance as to delete it and/or ban people he engaged because they derailed the thread.

    When in reality he is the one that does the derailing. I am really surprised it is allowed because reading the rules it's clear that the opposite is true.

    I have to admit that i totally fell for it.

    Well, no skin off my nose, i already deleted my mmorpg account, i am surprised i can still post.
    TheScavengerMaxBacon
  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    Seeing as there doesn't seem to be any possibility of friendly discussion on the topic of Star Citizen, can it be included in the banned subject list?
    I can't see the difference between this and discussions about religion or politics.
    Keep dropping the news stories, with commenting locked.
    I am sorry, it was not my intention but i do agree with you that if this is the normal course a Star Citizen thread takes then there is really no point in having them.

    Honest apologies for falling into the derail trap.
    TheScavenger
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    MaxBacon said:
    On another note, and in an attempt to try and get back on topic.. Personally I never believed for a second that this game would be able to support even close to a hundred "on grid" or instance, whatever you wanna call it, let alone a thousand... or thousands.
    The game already supports 50 per instance, and as it is known the servers are capable the problem that overwhelms performance so much lies on the client being overwhelmed by updates (the lack of culling), and the needed streaming tech that is a fundamental optimization to handle its scale better.

    So let's say Stanton gets done, even if 50 per instance remain, all Stanton needs is being split in 20 areas with their own server that it would allow up to 1000 people in that solar system.

    So it's not as far-fetched as you seem to think.

    The only counter is if too many people try to go to the same place, GW2, for example, solved that by adding temporary overflow instances.
    T'is isn't working this way.
    Your 50 pocket dimensions have to talk to each other in 3 dimensions so you need to contact 6 other Pocket dimensions (assuming they are cube like shaped) to render a picture. and now the 1000 players now all decide to go to one place. you need to dynamic rearrange your pocket dimensions and with changing one you need to change the 6 adjacted, too.
    While changing the size you may not loose any data like what if a player just changed pocket dimension and the pocket dimension shrinked so he is back into his old pocket dimension.
    This is working in a 2D environment but there is no server mesh that can dynamically pass data for this in 3D.
    It would need a team of network professionals that are only dedicated to this problem to solve it and a couple of years.
    berenim

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • CryptoCrowCryptoCrow Member UncommonPosts: 54
    MaxBacon said:
    On another note, and in an attempt to try and get back on topic.. Personally I never believed for a second that this game would be able to support even close to a hundred "on grid" or instance, whatever you wanna call it, let alone a thousand... or thousands.
    The game already supports 50 per instance, and as it is known the servers are capable the problem that overwhelms performance so much lies on the client being overwhelmed by updates (the lack of culling), and the needed streaming tech that is a fundamental optimization to handle its scale better.

    So let's say Stanton gets done, even if 50 per instance remain, all Stanton needs is being split in 20 areas with their own server that it would allow up to 1000 people in that solar system.

    So it's not as far-fetched as you seem to think.

    The only counter is if too many people try to go to the same place, GW2, for example, solved that by adding temporary overflow instances.
    T'is isn't working this way.
    Your 50 pocket dimensions have to talk to each other in 3 dimensions so you need to contact 6 other Pocket dimensions (assuming they are cube like shaped) to render a picture. and now the 1000 players now all decide to go to one place. you need to dynamic rearrange your pocket dimensions and with changing one you need to change the 6 adjacted, too.
    While changing the size you may not loose any data like what if a player just changed pocket dimension and the pocket dimension shrinked so he is back into his old pocket dimension.
    This is working in a 2D environment but there is no server mesh that can dynamically pass data for this in 3D.
    It would need a team of network professionals that are only dedicated to this problem to solve it and a couple of years.
    You actually need to talk to 26 other instances/servers/areas if you change the size of one 3D area (assuming it's a cube in the center of 27 cubes).

    Image result for cube of cubes 3 sided

    There are 26 adjacent cubes not 6.

    I agree with you, the technology is nice as a theory but most likely not ever going to be reality.

    The amount of data that needs to be moved between instances/areas/servers if just one of the instances is resized is going to be a real problem even if the servers are in the same cluster.

    The logic to make this all happen without the users noticing is something even the best network engineers will have a problem with.

    I don't even want to think about all the implications this has on client performance.
    TheScavengerberenim
  • DurzaxDurzax Member UncommonPosts: 87
    The goons are stupidly hilarious. still pissy that Chris Roberts would not bend over the way CCP did. so they tell out-right lies to make the project look bad.
    Trying to pass off the FIRST ITERATION of new tech as a failure to keep promises.

    Their true agenda:

    [–]macallenCompletionist 23 points 11 days ago 

    It's worse than that, they WERE invested, deeply, into SC. $100,000s in, multiple Javs, they had it all figured out. Then they realized that, despite pushing their PvP agenda, the game is 10% PvP at most. CR outright saying that any encounter with someone has a 10% chance to be another player made them shit the bed. They lost their minds, flipped out, got banned, demanded refunds, and are now out to destroy CIG by any and all means necessary.

    This isn't arbitrary, they were in for the whole enchilada, and then felt betrayed. They pushed their agenda on the forums, here, everywhere that would listen, and they failed to make SC what they wanted, so now they want to shit all over it so it is nothing for anyone. Every success that CIG has is a slap in their face.


    The above is from: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7w92iw/crytek_vs_cig_judge_says_no_oral_arguments_needed/dtyyxp1/?context=3


    You have lost goons, suck it, and move on.









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