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Why I think AGS(Amazon) won't release a single game

BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
edited March 2018 in The Pub at MMORPG.COM
Stuff that has happened for Amazon since they opened AGS...

- Jeff Bezos became the richest man in the world

-Amazon bought Whole Foods

-Amazon announced they are opening a second headquarters somewhere in USA creating thousands of jobs.

-Amazon opened futuristic fully automated convenience stores on the east coast(USA).

-Amazon announced they are starting their own Health Insurance company in partnership with Warren Buffett.

-Amazon renewed and started production on future seasons of all their shows.

-Amazon's space program "Blue Origin" has seen continuous success and accepted its first wave of paying customers.

-Amazon possibly made the best Super Bowl commercial https://screenrant.com/amazon-super-bowl-2018-alexa-commercial/

I'm sure there are other things that have happened for them but those were the only ones I could think of atm.

With all of those accomplishments and the fact that we've seen almost no info on any games after they announced they are going to stop production for Breakaway makes me think that AGS will never release a single game. Add on the fact that they have people like John Smedley on the payroll who I'm sure doesn't work for chump change along with all those other people + multiple locations  means huge overhead costs without anything to show for it. Even under funded games give small updates of insignificant information to keep interest alive but in the case of AGS no one knows if anything is even being worked on.

After accomplishing all of those remarkable things I listed above I'm not sure if "make a good video game" is something Amazon really cares to do, especially in this over saturated market where the chance for failure is quite high.

Do you think AGS will make a game?
  1. Do you think AGS will make a game?37 votes
    1. Yes
      94.59%
    2. No
        5.41%
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  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    Torval said:
    Yep. Because because Bezos' wants it to work. If not this specific instance, the next one will. The only thing they've dropped directly is a branded phone. They established a strong music and media presence on every mobile platform. 

    This team has whatever length they've been given to make something work. If not Bezos will find the team and shape the platform until it does. Twitch is too big to ignore or let be pissed away.
    Is everything you wrote your opinion or did you actually speak to Bezos and/or someone who works at AGS?

    Are you privy to information that us mere mortals know nothing about? If so, where did you get the info?

    cameltosis
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
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  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Quizzical said:
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
    JB won't have the time to code a game for us because he's doing that other stuff.  /s


  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    Quizzical said:
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
    How much money can actually be made from New World and Crucible if those games are still even being developed and is it worth it for them is what I'm wondering.
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Having Smed on the payroll isn't bad for releasing a game, Smed have released a lot of games in the past...

    If Amazon wants to make a MMO they certainly can afford doing so, how good it will be is of course another matter but I am sure they will release something. I have my doubts about it being a hit game though.
    BruceYee
  • TsiyaTsiya Member UncommonPosts: 280
    I guess it depends on the amount of money he's willing to throw around. Which is a lot. Something will get made, what's up in the air is whether it will be good or not.

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,426
    The fact they are doing well elsewhere just means they have more money to throw at parts of their portfolio that are not shaping up as well.
    Leiloni
  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    Gotta keep in mind that the main feature of all of these games was supposed to be twitch interactivity. MMORPGs and twitch haven't always garnered that much support together compared to arena type games, so I'm still on the fence about New World being this "great new thing" especially since most mmorpgs have a lot of "dead" time. WoW maybe the most populated mmorpg but hardly gets any views on twitch when streamed.
    Leiloni
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Albatroes said:
    Gotta keep in mind that the main feature of all of these games was supposed to be twitch interactivity. MMORPGs and twitch haven't always garnered that much support together compared to arena type games, so I'm still on the fence about New World being this "great new thing" especially since most mmorpgs have a lot of "dead" time. WoW maybe the most populated mmorpg but hardly gets any views on twitch when streamed.
    That might not be a bad thing, finding a different niche then Wow is probably key if you want a success. Of course it is still likelier it will fail horribly but I would be more worried if they stated they wanted to make the next Wow (we have heard that one before).
    Leiloni
  • immoralthangimmoralthang Member RarePosts: 300
    I didn’t know John Smedley was employed with AGS. I’ll never forget what he did to Galaxies.

    That being said, the concept of the New World is amazing and I see a lot of potential if executed correctly.

    Im conflicted to say the least. I’ve learned to never buy into blind hype with MMO’s so I’m just going to wait and see. I would love to watch Amazon debut something at E3.
    BruceYee
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    edited March 2018
    BruceYee said:
    Quizzical said:
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
    How much money can actually be made from New World and Crucible if those games are still even being developed and is it worth it for them is what I'm wondering.
    Looking at Amazon historic data they are not a profitable company.  Actually never was for 20 years.  But the scary part is they are so big now, they own almost everything.  

    Jeff Bezos is the richest man alive and his company was not profitable for 20 years.  
    Leiloni
  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157
    Amazon Rules the world  Awesome <3

    Wonder how Amazon will do vs Google?

    Amazon Delivery Trucks Soon?

    And Amazon MOBA incoming?
  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    Renoaku said:
    Amazon Rules the world  Awesome <3

    Wonder how Amazon will do vs Google?

    Amazon Delivery Trucks Soon?

    And Amazon MOBA incoming?
    You're right, the industry is competitive.  

    The OP asked why would a large company like Amazon care about making a few games.  

    I think that is because Amazon isn't just making a few games.  They also have their game engine Lumberjack, and server hosting plateform Amazon Web Service.  So to Amazon their goal isn't just to make a few games, but have more people use their plateform.  

    KyleranLeiloni
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    End result of everything being discussed in this thread is...

    Amazon will make a game eventually even if it takes 20 years and when it's done may just be mediocre. They are currently more focused on Lumberyard/Twitch to care about going 100% into game development and Renoaku loves the NWO.

    Closing up shop - Thanks for playing.


  • CrazKanukCrazKanuk Member EpicPosts: 6,130
    BruceYee said:
    End result of everything being discussed in this thread is...

    Amazon will make a game eventually even if it takes 20 years and when it's done may just be mediocre. They are currently more focused on Lumberyard/Twitch to care about going 100% into game development and Renoaku loves the NWO.

    Closing up shop - Thanks for playing.




    LMAO, your summary was that they are too focused on a game engine and a game streaming service to care about actually making a game? Huh.... If you can't see the motivation to make good games with those two insights... I just can't help make you understand. That circuit is just not firing. You SHOULD have just answered your own question right there.
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  • AAAMEOWAAAMEOW Member RarePosts: 1,617
    BruceYee said:
    End result of everything being discussed in this thread is...

    Amazon will make a game eventually even if it takes 20 years and when it's done may just be mediocre. They are currently more focused on Lumberyard/Twitch to care about going 100% into game development and Renoaku loves the NWO.

    Closing up shop - Thanks for playing.


    It is really amazon web service they care about.  Lumberyard is free.  Amazon is trying to get more people to ues lumberyard since they have integrated AWS.

    Amazon and google have been fighting cloud service share. 

    Pokemon go was using google(GCE), and it constantly crash.  Amazon CTO made a twitch saying Ninantic should switch.

    I hope new world is ok.  But no one knows how it'll turn out.
    BruceYee
  • DerrosDerros Member UncommonPosts: 1,216
    Wouldnt releasing a great game made in Lumberyard be good for the engine, driving more people into using it and AWS? That would be one reason to do it, along with optimizing the engine by going through the development process with it, themselves.
    Leiloni
  • 6stack_Chris6stack_Chris Member UncommonPosts: 118
    DMKano said:
    AAAMEOW said:
    BruceYee said:
    End result of everything being discussed in this thread is...

    Amazon will make a game eventually even if it takes 20 years and when it's done may just be mediocre. They are currently more focused on Lumberyard/Twitch to care about going 100% into game development and Renoaku loves the NWO.

    Closing up shop - Thanks for playing.


    It is really amazon web service they care about.  Lumberyard is free.  Amazon is trying to get more people to ues lumberyard since they have integrated AWS.

    Amazon and google have been fighting cloud service share. 

    Pokemon go was using google(GCE), and it constantly crash.  Amazon CTO made a twitch saying Ninantic should switch.

    I hope new world is ok.  But no one knows how it'll turn out.


    The problem remains - once you choose Lumberyard, you are locked into using AWS.

    If they allowed developers to pay for Lumberyard only without being 100% locked into using Amazon, it would be a different story.

    Also Lumberyard has a loooong way to go, this is why they have been hiring like crazy for Lumberyard engine devs, as without Lumberyard, they have nothig

    We initially started developing our game in Lumberyard and switched back off of it due to it being nothing more than a dumb down, re-skinned Crytech engine. They have since made leaps and bound on the ui, gui and other features, but when it first came out, it was not as friendly as we imagined. To also go with what you said, yes we were locked into AWS, but not just for server hosting, they nickle and dime you for all sorts of services, that other engines provide for damn near free.
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  • AndistotleAndistotle Member UncommonPosts: 124
    they are literally hiring devs in the hundreds atm. go look at their recruitment page.  seems like they are very very active
  • BruceYeeBruceYee Member EpicPosts: 2,556
    CrazKanuk said:
    BruceYee said:
    End result of everything being discussed in this thread is...

    Amazon will make a game eventually even if it takes 20 years and when it's done may just be mediocre. They are currently more focused on Lumberyard/Twitch to care about going 100% into game development and Renoaku loves the NWO.

    Closing up shop - Thanks for playing.




    LMAO, your summary was that they are too focused on a game engine and a game streaming service to care about actually making a game? Huh.... If you can't see the motivation to make good games with those two insights... I just can't help make you understand. That circuit is just not firing. You SHOULD have just answered your own question right there.
    This is a discussion thread that I started(and apparently prematurely attempted to end due to lack of replies) without knowing or even assuming to know all the answers which is why I was interested in hearing other people's take on what's going on. As the conversation progressed I learned and continue to learn things that I originally did not know. My summary was based off what everyone else said but not once did I say that I believe what people said in the thread to be what I believe. What I believe is that after they tried and failed with Breakaway they took a step back and realized ALL three games were not very good and are currently on hold based on the fact that we haven't got any new information on them for quite a while. I'm hoping that's not true because I liked the idea behind New World and would like to be able to play it sometime in the near future even it is just 5/10.
  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,651
    edited March 2018
    BruceYee said:
    Quizzical said:
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
    How much money can actually be made from New World and Crucible if those games are still even being developed and is it worth it for them is what I'm wondering.
    Amazon doesn't give a shit about making money on these games.  That is why they are such a threat.  They will pour millions into it simply to create market share for Twitch.  

    Amazon can afford to have their games never make any money, which is going to destroy (or seriously challenge) the industry.

    I do not think this will end up being good for gamers.  Amazon destroys what it enters.

    But yes... they WILL release games.  Many, many games...

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  • KiwiHypeKiwiHype Member UncommonPosts: 233
    They already released a game, Alexa is the best!
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  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited March 2018
    AAAMEOW said:
    BruceYee said:
    Quizzical said:
    Your argument is that Amazon won't release any games because they have released a lot of other things?  I don't follow you.
    How much money can actually be made from New World and Crucible if those games are still even being developed and is it worth it for them is what I'm wondering.
    Looking at Amazon historic data they are not a profitable company.  Actually never was for 20 years.  But the scary part is they are so big now, they own almost everything.  

    Jeff Bezos is the richest man alive and his company was not profitable for 20 years.  

    If you measure profitability as Income - (total) Expenditure yes.

    If you measure profitability as Income - Cost of Existing Operations (free cash flow) then Amazon are, and have been, hugely profitable.

    And unless a business is simply "squandering" its free cash flow it is the second measure that investors are interested in. Which is why Amazon's share price has continued to increase. Amazon is spending the money it makes to get bigger rather than paying huge dividends.


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  • LoudWisperLoudWisper Member UncommonPosts: 76
    i have actually played one of there games.....
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