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Why would we expect video game “professionals” to be any better than sport athletes? Spoiled, entitled pretty much define pro-athletes... The only difference is that most pro sports teams hire folks to train their players on how to behave and what to be careful of. They just have been taught not to say stupid shit in public... but even they have serious lapses. I mean, just a few days ago we saw a video of OBJ in bed with a woman who appears to be cutting lines of coke... This is a guy asking to become the highest paid player in the NFL.
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And yeah, people slip, you're not going to make a person a saint just because you want to make them a saint (well, the "royal" you). But if businesses/investors are going to have these people represent their interests and make them money they sure has hell aren't going to stand of it if they can't make their money.
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Most people have no problem handling it. They just do not care for it. It is a tired old shred of a creature that we our self built. And by we i talk about the outsiders who fled society and sought refuge in worlds of our own making, games. We created a social space where we would air all those grievances we had with the world. The wanted to shut us out, well then we shut them out.
Over time the world outside changed, and what was once a refuge became a bastion.. And what was a bastion became a mausoleum. The much of the toxicity in gaming stems from the fact that the space was shaped by very young and insecure boys, like me and i would assume a fair amount of you. What was once glib ribbing over time turned in to toxic master suppression techniques. We then passed these on to the next generation as a rite of passage... They paid it forward...
I was part in creating this culture and i will do what ever little i can to again unmaking it.
So it is not about not being able to handle it, it is about being ashamed over what i used to do and what i was part in building. It is about wanting to see the bullshit end.
You can wear your "scars" as badges of honor... Passing them on to the next generation, because by god if you had to get them so shall they. Me... I prefer to carry them as a reminder that we are the most blind when we look in the mirror.
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I don't think xQc's fanbase is "extremely racist all he time," and I no longer take the term "toxic" seriously, since it's used like "Nazi" has been used recently (which I find extremely disingenuous). I simply don't care about it, because of the way it's being broadly applied to any behavior you or anyone else doesn't like makes it unbelievable - completely subjective, BTW.
Rules cannot be designed around subjectivity, because it means the rules are inherently susceptible to massive amounts of bending and abuse.
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If you ask someone to stop playing away from the team on a hero that simply isn't designed for it (i.e. constantly flanking on tanks while the supports are getting blown up)... Toxic, causes they get offended that you're telling them they aren't playing "correctly."
If you ask someone to switch to a hero that plays better in the comp, or isn't being hard countered/shut down by the enemy team... Toxic. They're offended that you don't want them to play the way they want (because of course the game revolves around them).
Ask someone to play a healer, when they're female... Get ready to be called toxic, sexist, etc.
Telling someone their gameplay was awful, when it clearly was... Yea... Toxic, cause they're offended.
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Everyone spends their time in a video game. Everyone wants to win. It's not toxic to criticize, and people are not obligated to give you unwilling respect and courtesy... anywhere, really. I certainly don't, not in OW or any other game.
If people are being "toxic" there's probably a reason why they're reacting that way. Sometimes changing YOUR behavior is the key to making the situation better - or, should they simply throw/leave the game to end it ASAP and get out of the situation... Sorry, no. They can't. That's branded as TOXIC even when you're the offensive player and they simply want to get away from you.
If there are no consequences for bad play, then everyone would play badly. Winning and losing isn't enough of an incentive for people who don't care about winning and losing. There needs to be social pressure.
If you aren't good enough to cooperation and play with others decently, then stick to QP until you are. It's pretty simple.
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I find it hypocritical that people who complain about toxicity are the same people spewing toxic rhetoric when referencing those people. Being an awful person isn't justified, even when you think someone else is awful. The reason why that behavior is supposed to be "bad" is because most don't do it. But what I find is that everyone is toxic (you included, from what I've read) and they simply wait for someone else to strike first to commence their own toxicity, and use the other person's actions as a justification for their own.
Which is really no different than what's happening in the world today (Antifa, etc.), so thoroughly unsurprising to me.
xQc had no business in OWL. OWL is for people willing to conform to Blizzard's current SJW-biased corporate culture. This is needed for businesses to get sponsorships and funding, etc. because of perception. If you aren't PC, you either play your matches and don't stream, or you simply don't work there.
That's because a lot of 13-25 people are growing up in a climate where asking for donations to play video games on twitch is considered a job.
When people tire of wasting their money, that's going to change.
Business people with deep pockets are going to invest in areas where they feel they can make money. These things are like the stock market. Trends come and go, and there is always someone to make a profit off of it. As long as they can make a profit, they really aren't super concerned if it fails or not. They can always get out, and their livelihoods and futures don't depend on eSports.
If you think the 13-25 demo is not interested in real sports, though, you're completely out of touch with reality. They are - very.
eSports is just taking advantage of a different demographic and a different trend where investors feel money can be made. These people don't see it as a risky opportunity, because most are filthy rich and have suitable, reliable backup plans and alternate income streams.
I'm more worried about the players. Many of them are "lost" to the job market because they are uneducated and have no job skills outside of playing video games and trying to be "entertaining" on camera. A lot of people are wasting their lives trying to be eSports players, and not thinking about the ramifications of this.
Companies like Blizzard can enforce standards and requirements the same way professional sports leagues do, or insert real life benefits (i.e. subsidizing college, so that players didn't feel like they had to sit on twitch all day and be totally unproductive human beings) but they haven't even attempted to do this yet.
Racism and homophobia isn't a "think" it's awful kind of thing. Society is beyond acting like a toddler debating the obvious. We've recognized that these issues are a detriment to society as a whole. Get on that zeitgeist train or get left behind. There is no subjectivity to labeling racism or homophobia bigotry. That's about as objective as you can get.
Do you even know why he was suspended the last time? Let me educate you...
xQc was suspended because he used a freaking Twitch chat emote. If it's THAT homophobic and racist or whatever else SJW bullshit that you think it is, why does it exist in Twitch chat? More so in the OverwatchLeague's official twitch chat, where you know, you can moderate memes - automatically.
His first suspension even was a bit of a shite. He apologized, even though he didn't have to (as Muma wasn't really offended).
If people get offended on their race or sexually, maybe perhaps they should get called on more often, so they grow a thicker skin.
I consider Freddie Mercury the manliest man to have ever walked on this planet. He's also gay. Call me homophobe or racist all you want, that doesn't fix YOUR issues.
Thicker skin? How about trying to be a decent human being. How about being civil? How about having a little decency? If it's something you have to apologize for saying later. I don't know, maybe you should try not saying it. Keeping it to yourself.
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In a world where everyone complains about everything and gets offended even easier, no. I will say whatever I think to whomever I think and I don't care if you consider it civil or not. You are not the judge of that. Nobody is. Stop acting like one. There's free speech for a reason. If it gets me punched in the face so be it, but I will not stand by and watch people complaining about being offended over some freaking Twitch chat emotes. I keep my mouth on a lot of things, but I rather have people say what they think than keeping it to themselves out of fear that the general public might lash out at them. Pretty much what happens at every feminazi forum, lol. These people (you included) are just as extreme as the other side (who use racial and homophobic slurs out of spite and whathaveyou).
Just grow a thicker skin, problem solved.
I don't disagree that attacking people for no reason other than their genitals or skin pigment or religious belief is wrong, however, both sides are pushing it to the extreme. To the point where you can't say anything to anyone in fear of them being offended and costing you a job or worse. xQc lost his over use of Twitch emotes. Sanctioned twitch emotes.
How is that fair or "decent" or moral? (And don't let me start on the hypocrisy of "moral" people) There's a real growing issue in today's society and your best advice is to keep quiet? Coward.
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Spoken like a true American. So are you sanctioning racism? Are you saying that people of color must just get thicker skin? I'm just trying to gain an understanding of your stance of the issue. You're saying you're pro-racism? If not, then why should public figures not be held accountable for their words or actions? By not doing so, you're simply promoting bad behavior. Do you have children? What if your child told you to fuck off and suck their dick? Would you be cool with that? It is free speech, right? The problem is that we've created a culture through medium like Youtube where it's funny to be a fucking asshole and if you want to be popular, then being an asshole is the best way to do it. Personally, I think it's about time that we start asking people to be accountable for their actions, whether it's something like this or something more serious.
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A lot of it has to do with tact, or lack thereof. Criticising someone over their choice of character or gameplay choices is rarely going to be welcome but if handled incorrectly with harsh words, yelling and the like it certainly won't be taken.
Also, too many gamers are sure they "know" the only correct way to win, when in fact it just isn't true.
If someone truly wants everyone in their party to play their way they should stop joining matches with casual pairings and only join those with their full "team."
They should quit annoying others with their demands, especially when rudely delivered.
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My response is they were being obnoxious in fleet chat so I shot them.
I never promise to not do so again, but I do note that I always pay for their ship as compensation.
It's worth it.
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