GTX 2070 and 2080 to be unveiled in March

Forgrimm · February 2018

https://www.techspot.com/news/73456-nvidia-new-geforce-cards-rumored-arrive-next-month.html

We’ve been waiting for what seems like an age to see Nvidia’s next generation of GeForce graphics cards, but according to the rumor mill, they’ll finally be unveiled next month. Speaking to TweakTown, a “well-placed source” in the industry said the first public showing would take place at Nvidia’s GPU Technology Conference (GTC), which begins on March 26.

The new cards will follow the current Pascal-based 10-series with either an 11-series or 20-series naming system, which means we could see the GTX 1180 or the GTX 2080. Whatever they’re called, these new gaming GPUs are said to be based on the 12-nanometer Ampere architecture.

Ozmodan · February 2018

They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

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Derros · February 2018

Ozmodan said:

They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Vrika · February 2018

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

Do you have a source for that?

I've heard some speculation that NVidia might launch a card that's particularly well suited for crypto mining, but never anything about them crippling their other models.

Quizzical · February 2018

Forgrimm said:

https://www.techspot.com/news/73456-nvidia-new-geforce-cards-rumored-arrive-next-month.html

We’ve been waiting for what seems like an age to see Nvidia’s next generation of GeForce graphics cards, but according to the rumor mill, they’ll finally be unveiled next month. Speaking to TweakTown, a “well-placed source” in the industry said the first public showing would take place at Nvidia’s GPU Technology Conference (GTC), which begins on March 26.
The new cards will follow the current Pascal-based 10-series with either an 11-series or 20-series naming system, which means we could see the GTX 1180 or the GTX 2080. Whatever they’re called, these new gaming GPUs are said to be based on the 12-nanometer Ampere architecture.

That article basically says, "Here are a lot of things that could plausibly happen, and we have no idea which of them will actually happen." You don't need any inside information to guess that Nvidia is likely to announce something or other at their GPU technology conference. Nor do you need any to guess that after the GeForce 1000 series is likely to come either the GeForce 1100 or GeForce 2000 series.

Quizzical · February 2018

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

Color me skeptical. How do you cripple mining without crippling a lot of other things that you don't want to cripple? Maybe they could make drivers intentionally choke back performance if they see certain executables that are used for mining, but that wouldn't be terribly difficult to work around. If they do artificially cripple mining in hardware, it probably wouldn't be very hard for AMD to help a sponsored game to rely considerably on whatever Nvidia decided to cripple in hardware.

Maybe Nvidia could try to cripple compute more broadly. Nvidia already puts a lot less compute stuff into their GeForce cards than AMD does in their Radeon cards. But artificial crippling would be practically begging AMD to help some sponsored games to get a lot of use out of compute. And that would be a pretty good reason for gamers to avoid the crippled Nvidia cards. I don't see Nvidia trying for that sort of a self-inflicted wound.

Making mining-only cards, on the other hand, is pretty easy to do. If some chips come back with a defective rasterizer or tessellation units or video decode or whatever, disable it and call it a mining card. That will still work fine for mining.

centkin · February 2018

Thing is if mining were to collapse, what you would see is a FLOOD of all of these excess cards that are out there with no real use to them. The value of the graphics cards would not fall so much as plummet.

MrMelGibson · February 2018

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

@DMKano. Just curious since you seem to be in the know. Is this also an issue among the 1050-1080 gpus as well.

Hefaistos · February 2018

Nvidia makes mining cards for some time and even if they make new ones miners wont sell the old ones but they will buy and make a new rig if the ROI (return of invest) is decent. Now that the market is half way down (compared with december) only those who can afford will buy a new rig with new gpus that will be released this year with an increased roi like 15 months.

As long as gaming gpus will bring a decent roi on mining, miners will buy em. And dont vouch on Nvidia gimping their sales for the sake of gamers. Their share price is increased and their investors are happy.

Quizzical · February 2018

Actually, if Nvidia wanted to cripple their GPUs for mining, what they could do is to make it so that you can't use more than two of them in the same computer. If setting up 12 video cards for mining now takes six host rigs rather than one, that would add a lot to the cost of using Nvidia GPUs for mining. Meanwhile, two GPUs is already one more than you need for gaming, and Nvidia already no longer supports 3-way or 4-way SLI in their latest GPUs.

That wouldn't have any impact at all on a gamer who wants to use the video card he bought to play games on for mining when he isn't playing games. Nvidia would be happy to sell a video card to people like that, obviously. But it would mess with the miners who buy large quantities of video cards.

Ridelynn · February 2018

I can't see nVidia going so far as to hardware disable their cards for mining.

Driver yes - it's something nVidia can easily do to say "Look - we don't stand for this and don't support mining", but wink and nod on the back end: "...but we aren't doing much to stop you from continuing to do so." Alternative drivers (hacked, open source, or otherwise) would pop up very quickly to work around it, and I don't believe nVidia would do much to squash those.

That's a similar tact they have taken with GeForce in the data center. Your not supposed to use GeForce/Titan in a data center, and they won't sell them to you or warranty them if that's what you say you are going to use them for. But they don't do anything that really prevents someone from doing it anyway.

But a hardware lock - they have sold too many units for mining, and regardless of what they are saying publicly, it has been good to their bottom line. They know that AMD is more than happy to sell as many as they possibly can to mining, and the last thing nVidia would want to do is alienate themselves from a community that is not only willing to buy their cards, but to buy them in bulk, at much higher than MSRP.

Ozmodan · March 2018

centkin said:

Thing is if mining were to collapse, what you would see is a FLOOD of all of these excess cards that are out there with no real use to them. The value of the graphics cards would not fall so much as plummet.

Considering the limited lifetime of a graphics card, only a fool would buy a used one. You have to consider these mining cards have been running 24/7 for months if not years. I buy parts off Ebay all the time, but I won't touch a graphics card on there, just because of it.

Forgrimm · March 2018

DMKano said:

Quizzical said:

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

Color me skeptical. How do you cripple mining without crippling a lot of other things that you don't want to cripple? Maybe they could make drivers intentionally choke back performance if they see certain executables that are used for mining, but that wouldn't be terribly difficult to work around. If they do artificially cripple mining in hardware, it probably wouldn't be very hard for AMD to help a sponsored game to rely considerably on whatever Nvidia decided to cripple in hardware.

Maybe Nvidia could try to cripple compute more broadly. Nvidia already puts a lot less compute stuff into their GeForce cards than AMD does in their Radeon cards. But artificial crippling would be practically begging AMD to help some sponsored games to get a lot of use out of compute. And that would be a pretty good reason for gamers to avoid the crippled Nvidia cards. I don't see Nvidia trying for that sort of a self-inflicted wound.

Making mining-only cards, on the other hand, is pretty easy to do. If some chips come back with a defective rasterizer or tessellation units or video decode or whatever, disable it and call it a mining card. That will still work fine for mining.

I'd love to find out how they do it as well.

The rumor is it's a hardware+driver block - but zero details on how exactly this will work without crippling GPUs for game performance.

Not the same question, but this explains how some new cards specifically made for mining may be scaled back: https://www.yahoo.com/news/leak-shows-inno3d-cryptocurrency-mining-173352609.html

Recent rumors suggest Nvidia will soon release dedicated cryptocurrency cards codenamed “Turing.” The cards would presumably be based on a modified version of the company’s latest graphics chip architecture Volta. But a new leak suggests that the upcoming cryptocurrency mining cards may use a version of the older “Pascal” chips installed in the company’s GTX 1080 TI and Titan-branded cards.

As the specifications show, Inno3D’s model for miners is a cutdown version of the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti graphics card for PC gamers. It has a lower core count, lower amount of on-board memory, a smaller interface width, and a smaller memory bandwidth. Additionally, the specifications show the card may simply run at 1,582MHz rather than fluctuate between two speeds as seen with the GTX 1080 Ti.

Kyleran · March 2018

DMKano said:

MrMelGibson said:

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

@DMKano. Just curious since you seem to be in the know. Is this also an issue among the 1050-1080 gpus as well.

Current Nvidia GPUs are used to mine a lot of different crypto currency that is based or similar to Etherium - so yes 1060s, 1070s and 1080s can all be used for this - 1070s providing the best hash/power ratio in many cases.

Ah, that probably explains why when pricing a new gaming laptop the other day only the overclocked 1070s were on backorder until the end of March.

No issue with getting a 1060 or 1080 now.

Quizzical · March 2018

Kyleran said:

DMKano said:

MrMelGibson said:

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

@DMKano. Just curious since you seem to be in the know. Is this also an issue among the 1050-1080 gpus as well.

Current Nvidia GPUs are used to mine a lot of different crypto currency that is based or similar to Etherium - so yes 1060s, 1070s and 1080s can all be used for this - 1070s providing the best hash/power ratio in many cases.

Ah, that probably explains why when pricing a new gaming laptop the other day only the overclocked 1070s were on backorder until the end of March.

No issue with getting a 1060 or 1080 now.

Nvidia's GDDR5X memory controller does not like large table lookups, which can make a GTX 1080 slower than a GTX 1070--or, for that matter, a Radeon RX 580.

Laptop cards come from a separate pool that miners basically can't buy unless they buy laptops. Mining doesn't explain laptop cards being on backorder unless Nvidia diverted some GPUs from laptops to desktops, which I rather strongly doubt that they did. It's not just that they would prefer that gamers use their cards rather than miners; they also charge more for the laptop version.

Kyleran · March 2018

Quizzical said:

Kyleran said:

DMKano said:

MrMelGibson said:

DMKano said:

Derros said:

Ozmodan said:
They are getting to the point where major boosts in graphics speeds are very hard to do. I don't look to see much of a performance boost, probably in the 10-15% range.

Eh, you wont be able to get one regardless, they'll all be bought by bitcoin miners in an hour.

Wrong.

These cards will suck for mining as the drivers completely disable or cripple mining usage to where its almost useless

@DMKano. Just curious since you seem to be in the know. Is this also an issue among the 1050-1080 gpus as well.

Current Nvidia GPUs are used to mine a lot of different crypto currency that is based or similar to Etherium - so yes 1060s, 1070s and 1080s can all be used for this - 1070s providing the best hash/power ratio in many cases.

Ah, that probably explains why when pricing a new gaming laptop the other day only the overclocked 1070s were on backorder until the end of March.

No issue with getting a 1060 or 1080 now.

Nvidia's GDDR5X memory controller does not like large table lookups, which can make a GTX 1080 slower than a GTX 1070--or, for that matter, a Radeon RX 580.

Laptop cards come from a separate pool that miners basically can't buy unless they buy laptops. Mining doesn't explain laptop cards being on backorder unless Nvidia diverted some GPUs from laptops to desktops, which I rather strongly doubt that they did. It's not just that they would prefer that gamers use their cards rather than miners; they also charge more for the laptop version.

Perhaps its because the 1070s appeared to be the better price per performance, at least on the chart I was reviewing on Sagernotebook it appeared to be true.

Maybe the 1070s also run a bit cooler? Didnt see any data on that.

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