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PTU Access changed

Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
in Star Citizen
Though CIG increased the Evocati members from 1000 to 2000 Accounts and have changed the Wave1 requirements:

Wave 0: Evocati - NDA, Client Watermarked
Wave 1: all Subscribers ($10/Month and up) and all Concierge ($1000 Account value) - no NDA
Wave 2: all other PTU testers (those who don't want to or may not send their Photo ID, aren't subbing the Alpha and are not Concierge status)

This means if you are in Wave 2 to get to the earlier access you need to pay money or hope for evocati status (Which includes sending your Photo ID).

When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.

BalmongBabuinixOrinori

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  • BalmongBalmong Member UncommonPosts: 170
    Subs are willing to spend money monthly to help produce Bugsmashers and Around the Verse, and Evocati are hardcore Beta monkeys, I'm fine with this. Plus this is just to test borked builds, it doesn't matter when it's live.

    Call me when the next "crisis" arises.
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    @Turrican187
    And what has "changed" in your opinion ?

    Sounds like it has been that for months ....

    and after a few days it does not matter anyway, because the new build is transferred to live server and everyone can test it.


    Have fun
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    I don't like that it's migrated from alpha/beta access for early backers to paid module access to alpha/beta access to all to privileged access to those willing to pay extra. It shows CIG are willing to walk all over previous perks in the search for new ways to make money (although that should come as no surprise given all the other examples, like LTI sales).
    Changing the deal because they want to milk people is pretty damn scummy.

  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    rpmcmurphy said:
    I don't like that it's migrated from alpha/beta access for early backers to paid module access to alpha/beta access to all to privileged access to those willing to pay extra. It shows CIG are willing to walk all over previous perks in the search for new ways to make money (although that should come as no surprise given all the other examples, like LTI sales).
    Changing the deal because they want to milk people is pretty damn scummy.

    We are talking about a few days difference in access for an Alpha module in a test server.

    Get real, people.


    Have fun
    rpmcmurphyKyleranBabuinix
  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    Erillion said:
    rpmcmurphy said:
    I don't like that it's migrated from alpha/beta access for early backers to paid module access to alpha/beta access to all to privileged access to those willing to pay extra. It shows CIG are willing to walk all over previous perks in the search for new ways to make money (although that should come as no surprise given all the other examples, like LTI sales).
    Changing the deal because they want to milk people is pretty damn scummy.

    We are talking about a few days difference in access for an Alpha module in a test server.

    Get real, people.


    Have fun
    Then why do they have a difference at all?
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    PottedPlant22 said:
    Erillion said:
    rpmcmurphy said:
    I don't like that it's migrated from alpha/beta access for early backers to paid module access to alpha/beta access to all to privileged access to those willing to pay extra. It shows CIG are willing to walk all over previous perks in the search for new ways to make money (although that should come as no surprise given all the other examples, like LTI sales).
    Changing the deal because they want to milk people is pretty damn scummy.

    We are talking about a few days difference in access for an Alpha module in a test server.

    Get real, people.


    Have fun
    Then why do they have a difference at all?

    Minor perks with minimal effect on the big picture.

    They let some people do voluntary bug hunting a few days sooner than others.



    Have fun


    rpmcmurphy
  • Turrican187Turrican187 Member UncommonPosts: 787
    Erillion said:
    PottedPlant22 said:
    Erillion said:
    rpmcmurphy said:
    I don't like that it's migrated from alpha/beta access for early backers to paid module access to alpha/beta access to all to privileged access to those willing to pay extra. It shows CIG are willing to walk all over previous perks in the search for new ways to make money (although that should come as no surprise given all the other examples, like LTI sales).
    Changing the deal because they want to milk people is pretty damn scummy.

    We are talking about a few days difference in access for an Alpha module in a test server.

    Get real, people.


    Have fun
    Then why do they have a difference at all?

    Minor perks with minimal effect on the big picture.

    They let some people do voluntary bug hunting a few days sooner than others.



    Have fun


    It's not if it's a few days, months or years ... it's about paying folks before folks who report frequently on the issue council.
    Star Citizen has about 1 Million backers (it was always ~50% of the Citizen tracker) and only 2000 Evocati slots that can be earned through participate.
    But there are unlimited slots for the people that are willing to pay more to get an earlier access.
    This practise should not be ok otherwise other companies will have soon subscriptions for pre-alpha access.

    When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
    The cake is a lie.

  • PottedPlant22PottedPlant22 Member RarePosts: 800
    Turrican187 said:
    This practise should not be ok otherwise other companies will have soon subscriptions for pre-alpha access.
    Too late.
    Kyleran
  • rpmcmurphyrpmcmurphy Member EpicPosts: 3,502
    Erillion said:
    We are talking about a few days difference in access for an Alpha module in a test server.
    Get real, people.

    Have fun

    It's not the time that matters Erillion, it's the principle of walking over previous perks.
    Is that so difficult to understand?
  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    >>>
    it's about paying folks before folks who report frequently on the issue council.
    >>>

    The people that REALLY report frequently to the issue council are in the Evocati, IF they want.
    I know of no case where the Evocati application was refused for people that log in many and good bug hunting reports to the Issue Council.

    And the Evocati are the VERY FIRST that get their hands on any new build. Which is a mixed blessing, as these early builds are very rough.

    So for me this is a non-issue, raised by theorycrafters. 

    Someone who REALLY wants to get his hands on the VERY first build a few days earlier than others can easily achieve that goal.


    Have fun

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,059
    Erillion said:
    >>>
    it's about paying folks before folks who report frequently on the issue council.
    >>>

    The people that REALLY report frequently to the issue council are in the Evocati, IF they want.
    I know of no case where the Evocati application was refused for people that log in many and good bug hunting reports to the Issue Council.

    And the Evocati are the VERY FIRST that get their hands on any new build. Which is a mixed blessing, as these early builds are very rough.

    So for me this is a non-issue, raised by theorycrafters. 

    Someone who REALLY wants to get his hands on the VERY first build a few days earlier than others can easily achieve that goal.


    Have fun

    I really want to get my hands on the final release, what you think, another two or three years maybe?

    ;)

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  • ErillionErillion Member EpicPosts: 10,328
    Kyleran said:
    I really want to get my hands on the final release, what you think, another two or three years maybe?

    ;)
    My personal guess ?

    For Squadron 42 it was Nov. 2017 .... my revised estimate is now 2018.

    For Star Citizen it was 2018. In view of the newest progress reports i would revise that to 2019 for the first playable build (not the full 100 systems).

    As stated before ... i am of the game-philosophy-school "Its done when its done". I rather have a good and complete game later, than a buggy incomplete mess too soon. Plenty of games to play until Star Citizen launch. Battletech for one ;-)


    Have fun
  • OrinoriOrinori Member RarePosts: 751
    This shakes the very core of the gaming industry, we should all be very worried. Anyone fancy organizing a demonstration march/rally?
    Babuinix
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