I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
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It's also worth noting that there's a difference between teaching content and assessing understanding. You can assess using different purposeless contexts (see: word problems) and still have a valid assessment. Conflating the practice of instruction and assessment proves a lack of understanding of how education works.
Assessment is a feedback tool. Instruction is instruction. Honestly, I don't even see a fine line being walked here.
As long as the chemistry questions are solid I don't see the big deal.
He's not changing the nomenclature, just couching the questions in a fortnite packaging.
I don't remember chemistry (did better in physics and biology) and know little about fortnite but if the questions were more like:
Blabaron broke into the lab, looking for the formula. Time was running short and he needed something that would would have a reaction to occur in order to make it viable.
He found these formulas written on the great big board ...
Cu+ + e− → Cu (s) E° = +0.52 V
2H+ + 2e− → H2 (g) E° = 0 V
Pb2+ + 2e− → Pb (s) E° = −0.13 V
Cr3+ + e− → Cr2+ E° = −0.41 V
Which of the following reactions would occur?
A. 2Cu (s) + Pb2+ → 2Cu+ + Pb (s)
B. Pb2+ + H2 (g) → Pb (s) + 2H+
C. 2Cr2+ + Pb2+ → Pb (s) + 2Cr3+
D. Pb (s) + 2Cr3+ → 2Cr2+ + Pb2+
etc etc.
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Wow, way to F-over a whole bunch of people that don't give a crap about this stupid game or the overtired genre in general. I'd be pissed and going to the school board.
This isn't cool. This is the EXACT reason why they implemented the idiocy of common core.
Dude, the teacher even said all he is going to do is create the test so that it has Fortnite references in it, it's not going to actually ask you questions about the game. They will still be Chemistry questions.
So, that's actually pretty creative. The teacher does some extra work and the students feel engaged with a "fun, theme exam". Everyone wins.
...and for the record the common core is a great innovation at the collegiate level by increasing interdepartmental communication and challenging students to step outside the comfort zone of their preferred fields of study.
Something like 1/3 of classes at the University of Chicago are "core" at the undergraduate level.
But here I have to ask, are they there to learn expertise in the field they have taken a course in. Or is University just a lifestyle choice, I notice their website talks of a "lifelong dialogue", "its not just about transferring knowledge but raising fundamental questions and become familiar with the powerful ideas that shape our society".
So if I had done a Math degree at UoC, I would need to know about "the powerful ideas that shape our society"? Hopefully you can see how I feel that's a bit outside the scope of an education I want to prepare me for my future career in Maths. If there is a chocice and you can skip non-core I would also be rather put out that someone who had not done all Math has the same degree as me when I leave.
I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
I don't know of any undergrad that "only" has their students specializing in, say, "math".
Even I had to take "other classes" (though no math thank the universe) at my University "Conservatory".
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I don't know of any undergrad that "only" has their students specializing in, say, "math".
Even I had to take "other classes" (though no math thank the universe) at my University "Conservatory".
I did not suggest it was, the post about Universities was in reply to what Phaselight said about the UoC syllabus.
With hindsight I should have edited all the other stuff out.
This is maybe a difference in the education system Sovrath. But when I did a degree, all subjects came from that subjects discipline. Diversity ended at "A" level which I thought was high school.
When I think back to the teachers from my school days , it was the teacher who did something different whose lessons I always recall. This teacher will be remembered if he taught me.
@Scot This is HIGH SCHOOL, not university. This is ONE TEST out of a year's worth.
This is one inch of the mile they are TAKING from those innocent 24 years olds. They are 24! Babies for Petes sake! They can barely walk let alone think for themselves, especially with the programming they've endured. It all starts with this test then what next? A pop quiz about physics applied to a game world? Math based on code? ART CLASSES!?!? Next thing you know we all have to start using sign language to avoid accidentally saying something offensive and getting shipped to Australia, or worse yet, Canada!
In these cases I revert to rule number 693 of the internet, "they are all in on it, mannnn...I'm just saying...look into it..." O.O
I know its the colonies, but is Canada really that bad?
If this wasn't one of the MAJOR tests I wouldn't have an issue.
"Ok kids pop quiz" bam! No problems there. This is a an important test for AP classes. I distinctly remember a couple of my AP semester tests specifically showing where I had weaknesses in my knowledge. (specifically 1820-1850 history... talk about a snore-fest) What's more, I realized because of said tests that I was missing an important (albeit boring as hell) lead-up to the situation between the Big3 and the Civil War.
Had I not taken the test, I wouldn't have gone over those sections again.
I just worry that we're trying to "popularize" things that aren't ever going to be popular.
Kids don't have to rote memorize the multiplication tables anymore. The result? Inability to do math in their heads.
Kids don't have spelling tests anymore. The result? My kids homework looks like I took a crayon to it... and they're going into middle school.
If the kids want their test to be video game based, you're essentially saying that they don't need to study things (even things that are NOT remotely enjoyable). If the teacher does what some people suggested above, I don't have as much of a problem. If they didn't do it on a HUGE test prep then I have zero problems with it.
What would you tell the board? Share what you think is an appropriate exam theme for chemistry. I'm pretty sure you have no clue. It's also fairly obvious that this has some politically fueled agenda driving it because you jumped to the conclusion of how and why the teacher was wrong without having any detailed facts at all.
Yes yes politically fueled. I'd like to point out that I went further to read on it. Again, it's not a "small test". It's the section test. The semester test. It tests a huge chunk of info. I could see @Sovrath 's example being ok. But without context of that then I'd be worried as a parent that my kid is getting suboptimal teaching. THAT's MY politics. Don't mess with my kids education. It's hard enough trying to make sure they grow up and know enough to survive let alone dealing with all these extra things that they deal with nowadays.
Wow, way to F-over a whole bunch of people that don't give a crap about this stupid game or the overtired genre in general. I'd be pissed and going to the school board.
This isn't cool. This is the EXACT reason why they implemented the idiocy of common core.
This is a gross overreaction. Themed exams are done to keep students engaged, and don't take away from the core principles being learned.
It's no different than saying "If you pick 1 apple, and then pick another apple, how many apples do you have?" instead of "What is 1+1?"
Just stop. You've overshot by a mile on this one.
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I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
Cheers, mate! :-)
Working in the insurance industry and seeing just how ignorant many folks are about the realities of insurance and homeownership, the idea that we shouldn't spend time teaching young adults these sort of "life information" is ludicrous. We have people who don't even know what a deductible is who have had policies for years. Not, "I don't know what MINE is," but "I don't know what that term even means."
When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
Cheers, mate! :-)
Working in the insurance industry and seeing just how ignorant many folks are about the realities of insurance and homeownership, the idea that we shouldn't spend time teaching young adults these sort of "life information" is ludicrous. We have people who don't even know what a deductible is who have had policies for years. Not, "I don't know what MINE is," but "I don't know what that term even means."
When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
My concern is when does such "life information" need to stop? The UoC talked of a "lifelong dialogue". To me it should end at what you call high school (baring in mind I don't know the US system that well), but the University seemed to think that was part of their duty as well. My understanding is that UK schools teach Personal Finance which seems spot on, but I am not sure if it is a standard all schools have to meet.
I actually googled some UK universities, foolishly thinking I could find a better "mission statement" than UoC. I found it hard to even find a mission statement, indeed some seemed hesitant to show on their front page that you went to a university to learn. They are projecting themselves as a lifestyle choice, so I don't think its wrong to ask the question; are they now as much a lifestyle choice as a centre of learning?
I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
Cheers, mate! :-)
Working in the insurance industry and seeing just how ignorant many folks are about the realities of insurance and homeownership, the idea that we shouldn't spend time teaching young adults these sort of "life information" is ludicrous. We have people who don't even know what a deductible is who have had policies for years. Not, "I don't know what MINE is," but "I don't know what that term even means."
When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
Sounds like your clients' parents failed them, not the school system.
I could see @Sovrath 's example being ok. But without context of that then I'd be worried as a parent that my kid is getting suboptimal teaching. THAT's MY politics. D
I would agree with this. I have no problems with flavoring a test to make it amusing or fun or intriguing.
But the information should always be "the information".
However, given the way the article is written it does seem that is all he's doing, "flavoring" the text.
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I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
Cheers, mate! :-)
Working in the insurance industry and seeing just how ignorant many folks are about the realities of insurance and homeownership, the idea that we shouldn't spend time teaching young adults these sort of "life information" is ludicrous. We have people who don't even know what a deductible is who have had policies for years. Not, "I don't know what MINE is," but "I don't know what that term even means."
When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
Sounds like your clients' parents failed them, not the school system.
Not exactly. Home Ec classes have been all but completely removed from curriculums. The parents had Home Ec, the client didn't. When you remove something so beneficial to every day life in society, expect the new generation to be ignorant of it.
EDIT- to help illustrate the point, consider where Home Ec originated and its original purpose: (from the attributed creator of Home Ec) "According to the Chemical Heritage Foundation, “Richards was very concerned to apply scientific principles to domestic topics — good nutrition, pure foods, proper clothing, physical fitness, sanitation, and efficient practices that would allow women more time for pursuits other than cooking and cleaning.”"
She was working in the society of her day, which is why it was focused on female Americans, but the idea was to refine a citizen's process for taking care of the every day stuff so they could make more time for, get this, education.
I assume this was your University, don't think I am having a pop at it, I am imagine many Universities in the UK are now the same.
Cheers, mate! :-)
Working in the insurance industry and seeing just how ignorant many folks are about the realities of insurance and homeownership, the idea that we shouldn't spend time teaching young adults these sort of "life information" is ludicrous. We have people who don't even know what a deductible is who have had policies for years. Not, "I don't know what MINE is," but "I don't know what that term even means."
When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
Sounds like your clients' parents failed them, not the school system.
Not exactly. Home Ec classes have been all but completely removed from curriculums. The parents had Home Ec, the client didn't. When you remove something so beneficial to every day life in society, expect the new generation to be ignorant of it.
EDIT- to help illustrate the point, consider where Home Ec originated and its original purpose: (from the attributed creator of Home Ec) "According to the Chemical Heritage Foundation, “Richards was very concerned to apply scientific principles to domestic topics — good nutrition, pure foods, proper clothing, physical fitness, sanitation, and efficient practices that would allow women more time for pursuits other than cooking and cleaning.”"
She was working in the society of her day, which is why it was focused on female Americans, but the idea was to refine a citizen's process for taking care of the every day stuff so they could make more time for, get this, education.
It's interesting that article mentions MIT.
Years ago there was a class (Not sure if it's still in existence) call something like "Charm School".
The reason behind it was that there were a WHOLE lot of MIT students that had no idea how to take care of themselves let alone talk to people.
The class taught them how to interact with others, laundry, and "whatever else" was needed.
It's a shame that there is no Home Economics anymore (at least this is the first I'm hearing that it's no longer offered).
Home Economics taught me basics like sewing. Of course, having to be a "grown-up" at a very young age also helped in that. Still, I thought Industrial Arts and Home Economics were great classes.
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The Chemistry teacher at my high school had one day where the class makes fudge. The kids looked forward to it all year. Fun things like this are a part of teaching. They always were, long before the internet.
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He doesn't have twitter "good for him"obviously knows nothing about Fortnite,so imo this was a real bad idea.
You are NEVER relating chemistry to Fortnite as one is just computer code which could be related more to science and technology than chemistry.
This is not about over reacting this is just a real bad idea and not sticking with the curriculum of the chemistry teaching agenda.Of course i am assuming he cannot relate it to chemistry but there is no way i see this as being constructive in any fashion,first by endorsing twitter "real bad" and endorsing gaming which should be something related to AFTER school activities.
So this gets a HUGE fail.
I actually had a very similar happening back in grade 9 English,however our teacher kept it about English and the curriculum by simply making us write essays on the Beatles theme rather than sort stories or MacBeth crap.
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The Chemistry teacher at my high school had one day where the class makes fudge. The kids looked forward to it all year. Fun things like this are a part of teaching. They always were, long before the internet.
As a teacher, engaging students "where they live" and making their interests pertinent to the curriculum is a valid teaching method.
FFS sometimes a fun story is just a fun story and not a "sky is falling" moment.
Yeah, I can totally see how a final exam in chemistry about Fortnite is going to raise interest in the curriculum for chemistry.
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Assessment is a feedback tool. Instruction is instruction. Honestly, I don't even see a fine line being walked here.
He's not changing the nomenclature, just couching the questions in a fortnite packaging.
I don't remember chemistry (did better in physics and biology) and know little about fortnite but if the questions were more like:
Blabaron broke into the lab, looking for the formula. Time was running short and he needed something that would would have a reaction to occur in order to make it viable.
He found these formulas written on the great big board ...
Cu+ + e− → Cu (s) E° = +0.52 V
2H+ + 2e− → H2 (g) E° = 0 V
Pb2+ + 2e− → Pb (s) E° = −0.13 V
Cr3+ + e− → Cr2+ E° = −0.41 V
Which of the following reactions would occur?
A. 2Cu (s) + Pb2+ → 2Cu+ + Pb (s)
B. Pb2+ + H2 (g) → Pb (s) + 2H+
C. 2Cr2+ + Pb2+ → Pb (s) + 2Cr3+
D. Pb (s) + 2Cr3+ → 2Cr2+ + Pb2+
etc etc.
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I don't know of any undergrad that "only" has their students specializing in, say, "math".
Even I had to take "other classes" (though no math thank the universe) at my University "Conservatory".
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I did not suggest it was, the post about Universities was in reply to what Phaselight said about the UoC syllabus.
With hindsight I should have edited all the other stuff out.
This is maybe a difference in the education system Sovrath. But when I did a degree, all subjects came from that subjects discipline. Diversity ended at "A" level which I thought was high school.
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I know its the colonies, but is Canada really that bad?
If this wasn't one of the MAJOR tests I wouldn't have an issue.
"Ok kids pop quiz" bam! No problems there. This is a an important test for AP classes. I distinctly remember a couple of my AP semester tests specifically showing where I had weaknesses in my knowledge. (specifically 1820-1850 history... talk about a snore-fest) What's more, I realized because of said tests that I was missing an important (albeit boring as hell) lead-up to the situation between the Big3 and the Civil War.
Had I not taken the test, I wouldn't have gone over those sections again.
I just worry that we're trying to "popularize" things that aren't ever going to be popular.
Kids don't have to rote memorize the multiplication tables anymore. The result? Inability to do math in their heads.
Kids don't have spelling tests anymore. The result? My kids homework looks like I took a crayon to it... and they're going into middle school.
If the kids want their test to be video game based, you're essentially saying that they don't need to study things (even things that are NOT remotely enjoyable). If the teacher does what some people suggested above, I don't have as much of a problem. If they didn't do it on a HUGE test prep then I have zero problems with it.
Yes yes politically fueled. I'd like to point out that I went further to read on it. Again, it's not a "small test". It's the section test. The semester test. It tests a huge chunk of info. I could see @Sovrath 's example being ok. But without context of that then I'd be worried as a parent that my kid is getting suboptimal teaching. THAT's MY politics. Don't mess with my kids education. It's hard enough trying to make sure they grow up and know enough to survive let alone dealing with all these extra things that they deal with nowadays.
This is a gross overreaction. Themed exams are done to keep students engaged, and don't take away from the core principles being learned.
It's no different than saying "If you pick 1 apple, and then pick another apple, how many apples do you have?" instead of "What is 1+1?"
Just stop. You've overshot by a mile on this one.
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When you have a loss and find out you owe 2000 of it because that's your deductible, that would likely have a much more immediate and detrimental effect on a young adult's life than whether the test you took in high school contains questions referencing a video game or not.
My concern is when does such "life information" need to stop? The UoC talked of a "lifelong dialogue". To me it should end at what you call high school (baring in mind I don't know the US system that well), but the University seemed to think that was part of their duty as well. My understanding is that UK schools teach Personal Finance which seems spot on, but I am not sure if it is a standard all schools have to meet.
I actually googled some UK universities, foolishly thinking I could find a better "mission statement" than UoC. I found it hard to even find a mission statement, indeed some seemed hesitant to show on their front page that you went to a university to learn. They are projecting themselves as a lifestyle choice, so I don't think its wrong to ask the question; are they now as much a lifestyle choice as a centre of learning?
Sounds like your clients' parents failed them, not the school system.
But the information should always be "the information".
However, given the way the article is written it does seem that is all he's doing, "flavoring" the text.
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EDIT- to help illustrate the point, consider where Home Ec originated and its original purpose: (from the attributed creator of Home Ec) "According to the Chemical Heritage Foundation, “Richards was very concerned to apply scientific principles to domestic topics — good nutrition, pure foods, proper clothing, physical fitness, sanitation, and efficient practices that would allow women more time for pursuits other than cooking and cleaning.”"
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She was working in the society of her day, which is why it was focused on female Americans, but the idea was to refine a citizen's process for taking care of the every day stuff so they could make more time for, get this, education.
Years ago there was a class (Not sure if it's still in existence) call something like "Charm School".
The reason behind it was that there were a WHOLE lot of MIT students that had no idea how to take care of themselves let alone talk to people.
The class taught them how to interact with others, laundry, and "whatever else" was needed.
It's a shame that there is no Home Economics anymore (at least this is the first I'm hearing that it's no longer offered).
Home Economics taught me basics like sewing. Of course, having to be a "grown-up" at a very young age also helped in that. Still, I thought Industrial Arts and Home Economics were great classes.
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You are NEVER relating chemistry to Fortnite as one is just computer code which could be related more to science and technology than chemistry.
This is not about over reacting this is just a real bad idea and not sticking with the curriculum of the chemistry teaching agenda.Of course i am assuming he cannot relate it to chemistry but there is no way i see this as being constructive in any fashion,first by endorsing twitter "real bad" and endorsing gaming which should be something related to AFTER school activities.
So this gets a HUGE fail.
I actually had a very similar happening back in grade 9 English,however our teacher kept it about English and the curriculum by simply making us write essays on the Beatles theme rather than sort stories or MacBeth crap.
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Yeah, I can totally see how a final exam in chemistry about Fortnite is going to raise interest in the curriculum for chemistry.
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