I admit I decided to change my atutiude and posting style here.
As you can see a lot of replays above are in "your" troll category:
Most peoples definition is someone who posts without substance, reasoning, logic or who engages in personal attacks.
Up unitl today I realy tried to get neutral and to post only my point of view, however due 99% "hatebois" vs 1% "fanbois" balance I was always attacked the same way fanbois do at offical forums. ( go away, see you, dont get etc... ) I never had any those type of replays on official forums ...
So just to make fun of it i decided if Iam already categorised as blind fanboi, by most of ppl here why disapont them, I shurly can and will troll around in all topics when I see hate posts without substance, reasoning, logic ...
Sorry to bitter end I hoped that I realy can post and engage in some good discussions here couse I belived we can do it here without fanbois interfirance ...
p.s. Iam far from fanboi, did not play SoG for nearly 2 months, it got realy boring after I hit lvl 35 and most of players left. I usualy log in every thursday after they aplay patches just to update client and see if it still works.
Originally posted by IKShadow I admit I decided to change my atutiude and posting style here. As you can see a lot of replays above are in "your" troll category: Most peoples definition is someone who posts without substance, reasoning, logic or who engages in personal attacks.
Up unitl today I realy tried to get neutral and to post only my point of view, however due 99% "hatebois" vs 1% "fanbois" balance I was always attacked the same way fanbois do at offical forums. ( go away, see you, dont get etc... ) I never had any those type of replays on official forums ...
So just to make fun of it i decided if Iam already categorised as blind fanboi, by most of ppl here why disapont them, I shurly can and will troll around in all topics when I see hate posts without substance, reasoning, logic ...
Sorry to bitter end I hoped that I realy can post and engage in some good discussions here couse I belived we can do it here without fanbois interfirance ... p.s. Iam far from fanboi, did not play SoG for nearly 2 months, it got realy boring after I hit lvl 35 and most of players left. I usualy log in every thursday after they aplay patches just to update client and see if it still works.
If you haven't noticed, most of the people here you consider "trolls" or "hateboys" are the one that are consistently being attacked/flamed on. We have posted facts and great discussion material while others flame us without anything to back it up. You can view such things happening NOT ONLY at the MMORPG.com forums but also specially at the Official D&L Forums.
So think about it real hard. Reread your posts for the pass few months and what we have been posting. You can easily notice that for the most part, people like me, Zippy and others have been posting in a calm and reasonable mannner with facts to base on our arguments. And you can easily see that, for the most part, people like you are the ones that corrupt any kind of forum community.
I also find it sad that even after being given just a sample of what Farlan/NP3 is hiding you are still defending them this much and attacking those that speak any truth about them. Specially when the facts have already been handed to you.
Kilim I did not say that all of you are trolling just most of users here does.
And again I dont defend Farlan/NP3 have no reasons for it, the way how they conduct bussines is lame and awful.
Iam attacking stupid posts/replays and not users and I would not even call that attack but just Iam replaying to in in the same manner they post it.
I tried to be calm and reasonable but it seems I gave up on it.
And regarding :
And you can easily see that, for the most part, people like you are the ones that corrupt any kind of forum community
I wont start any type of agressive thread however I will try to replay on any stupid or insulting posts in the same manner, expect if some of you will try to calm that person down before I spot it.
p.s. Some how I belive that after my todays replays I will be flamed and hated as hell.
Nobody here has ever told you to "go away" or the like IK. Most ev1 here however HAS been a part of your post due to
incompleteness of your statement(s)
misinformation in your statement(s)
validity of your statement(s)
moving back to topic in reply to your statement(s)
In alot of your posts replies, there are several of us whom have agreed on a point or two you have made then go on to correct your misinformation or incomplete fact. Simple. Its not telling you shoo, go away, no one ever has. (And I am right now correcting your misinformation and incomplete statement). Its not hard to prove, simply look back at all your posts and no one has EVER told you to leave or go away.
As far as attacked in same manner as farlans gig? That is a straight out lie and exaggeration on your part. you have simply been well, corrected, or someone has simply well, completed your statement and you dont like it.
SO now you "just to make fun of it" blast anyone and everyone who has anything bad at all to say even tho it wasnt them that instigated it in the first place! It was the mods and devs and the game itself that brought all this in and continues to bring it all in.
There are a few posts in here that are simply juvenile angry posters but those are usually ignored and the poster just needed to vent some steam before moving on. Most posts in this forum are Factual, True, Logical reasoning and specualtions and contain enough of this to give it substance. Whether you wish to read the post or not is your own thing. You cant hide the truth no matter what.And it is not ONLY mmorpg.com, there are at least 4 other forums in which this game is laid flat on its back and the truth is gutted out. Not hard to find out. Do a search and just see how widespread the truth about this game is.
Devs come up with something stupid pretty regularly. Aint our fault. <shrug>
I believe the point of this thread was a discussion of the whys and wherefores of the devs actions regarding this game. IK has successfully derailed this again into a pity party for posts getting slammed with the truth back at him. I suggest ignoring the attempts of derailment by IK by just not responding and report as trolling.
Now -- to get back on subject.
Currently, we have 5 days to go. It was assumed that the 21st was the final event. It was done on a weekday and early afternoon. I can only surmise that they either did not want the americans there at the event or did not want alot of ppl so as to detour the reports of crashes during yet another event or just didnt care about the western world.
Since then, a few have voiced their opinions on this and suddenly now, there are "events through 23rd". Instead of a grand announcement, it was slipped into a thread. Like it was there all the time! Brings up yet another surmise: they dont want alot of players knowing about it so as not to have reports of crashing during an event yet again or havent yet figured out exactly what they are gonna do and will hurry up and make it up as they go and when its ready, they will tell ya and call ya an idiot for not applying osmosis and knowing the details of said event.
Along with that -- with 5 days to go we have no information whatsoever regarding the details of SOG/DNL closing, opening, downloading, access, payment subscription, skill trees, opening events, anything at all!!!!! regarding the release of the game.
How much dumber can they get indeed! Allowing for this has turned yet even MORE ppl off the game and when the ppl come to try it out on the 27th as it is stated as official release day, its gonna anger even MORE ppl that oops! unless you buy right now, before seeing it and before you have any info whatsoever other than our horrendous history of mistreatment and misinformation and broken promises, you are SOL ppl! The REAL date is still two days away soooooooo (it aint a lie, we never said it was the day you could actually PLAY the game -- its just the day we are saying the launcher will be released!) Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
Will it all run when players on the server? we dont know.
Since I dont know yet and cant clear any of this since the game isnt released yet, i do have some concerns with some of the info released.....these will be answered for me in the release I am sure but these are what stuck in my head as I was reading it all....
I dont like the fact that you MUST be in a guild in order to get anywhere as far as game immersion. The guild seems to have to be a huge and powerful guild for you to really do anything worthwhile. Doesnt appear to be a soloable game in the sense that you cannot achieve much without being in a guild. What happens if/when you leave a guild? What happens while you wait for another guild to join? Where does that put you and your skills and pts and everything else? What about nonguilded ppl? New players? small guilds? casual guilds? It appears there is no place for these.
I dont like the idea of the brotherhood and someone else directing my path and pts and etc. What happened to freedom?
I get the impression of a claustaphobic leveling system, based on others actions and performance instead of completely my own.
I have no idea yet but lets hope its not constricting as it appears.
Will there be housing? I didnt see it mentioned but I may have missed it?
How does the merchant system work? ( I would imagine its play the damn game and find out!) Will the guild have anything to do with what I craft/sell/how much i make?
Yap that guild/brotherhod part scare me. I also dont like the need to be in guild to progress normaly ingame.
I just dont hope it will be like EQ2 ( Iam playing it for past month ... 29 days) where everything is about grouping and you cant solo at all. ( ok you can but its not worth )
About housing I belive i saw somewhere that they dont be avalible at relase. ( not confirmed )
hmm comparing DNL to EQ2 is two different types of games but I see your point.As in other games however you will have those that HAVE soloed a "group" game.
I am one of those . I will admit there are not many classes that can do it solo all the way but there are at least one or two in each alignment that can and have and lots of ppl do. There are quite a few that I know that solo EQ2 so I cant agree with you on that point.
The point of the post was the promise of freedom and action like "you have never seen before" --- weellll, thats certainly true if what they are saying is the way in which DNL will work. Basing your whole immersion, progress and fun on other ppl's ideas performance and well.however the hell they feel that day is in no way a freedom game. Sure I can go out and snowboard or fly my dodo but cant do something else effectively yet cuz my guild isnt bad enough, big enough or my brotherhood leader says I aint gonna get my ranking or my pts? PFFT! cya!
Basing an immersion of the game on other ppls actions, yet saying that you hate that it has to be all groups when in fact, its a whole group of several groups that will determine what and how and where you in a game is completely off the wall.
Actually it's a 3.5 going onto 4 year project, started in mid 02
Not really, no, sorry. As far as I was told at the time by Farlan team, the idea of DnL emerged much earlier than mid 2002. There was a first dev team prior to NPCube and prior to my first encounter with Farlan in 2001. Then, Farlan found out about the technology I was developing (my former company was about to release in Europe the Eingana edutainment product using it). My company of the time started to work on DnL project in April 2002 and NPCube was formed in September 2002.
So, mid 2002 is the date NPCube was formed, but the project started earlier with others teams. When NPCube started the "official" development of DnL, there was a lot of technical stuff that was already existing and working. No wonder NPCube was a small team, since a large part of the job was already developed and used in other products.
Originally posted by IKShadow Yap that guild/brotherhod part scare me. I also dont like the need to be in guild to progress normaly ingame. I just dont hope it will be like EQ2 ( Iam playing it for past month ... 29 days) where everything is about grouping and you cant solo at all. ( ok you can but its not worth )
About housing I belive i saw somewhere that they dont be avalible at relase. ( not confirmed )
Well for it dosent scare me at all, it reminds me of EVE, you need to have a corp to build a station so why not in DnL?
And solong in DnL will not be that hard i think, i realy cant see forced grouping ala guild to get far in DnL.
But we have to see, we can only speculate on this but i do think solo players can still do mutch ingame and actual do things that can affect guilds, like attacking thier carvans so they have to guard them and so on.
Or you can be a master crafter and only sell too one guild but you are still alone if you whant to.
Ofcource you may miss the big things like fortress attacks and be a apart of owning a barony but still, its not to late to join a guild later.
Originally posted by _Pix_ Originally posted by blacksac
Actually it's a 3.5 going onto 4 year project, started in mid 02
Not really, no, sorry. As far as I was told at the time by Farlan team, the idea of DnL emerged much earlier than mid 2002. There was a first dev team prior to NPCube and prior to my first encounter with Farlan in 2001. Then, Farlan found out about the technology I was developing (my former company was about to release in Europe the Eingana edutainment product using it). My company of the time started to work on DnL project in April 2002 and NPCube was formed in September 2002.
So, mid 2002 is the date NPCube was formed, but the project started earlier with others teams. When NPCube started the "official" development of DnL, there was a lot of technical stuff that was already existing and working. No wonder NPCube was a small team, since a large part of the job was already developed and used in other products.
Originally posted by _Pix_ You can find here http://www.the-junkyard.net/interviews.php?action=viewinterview&id=39 an article giving interesting details. PS: I am just wondering at this point if telling about project development history is something which is preferable or not to mention on this boards.
I would have to answer yes to that _Pix_.. there have been several posts, several times, regarding this issue. 5 years is quite a long time. Not unusual in the game development department. However, with the release of SOG no matter how or what they say about it being stripped down is not much of a show after 5 years. In fact, releasing that and then making excuses for it you may even say helped to drive ppl away (among other reasons) from the DNL scenario more than the opposite of gaining players. Add that together with a small team who had all the components already, it makes it worse.
Originally posted by Torgrim And solong in DnL will not be that hard i think, i realy cant see forced grouping ala guild to get far in DnL.
thats what Im saying tho. It would appear, if you read all the info, that your progression and pts and such which allow for all of the XP is based on others performance. CXP, SXP and even FXP. Being without a powerful and huge guild will not allow for maximum immersion. There is not much you can go on when its constricted like this.Sure you can prolly go solo but without the perks of what would be given within a brotherhood or a guild, it would soon get boring and well...futile. I just think this needed a bit more thought into the casual, solo, unguilded, small guild, egomanical brotherhood leader things than what was posted. It may be that it will turn into a forced guild situation. I can already see brotherhood leaders with heads the size of manhatten and egos to boot. I believe EVE is good simply because its free. It doesnt mean there is a good system in place already there.
I will also say that reading over the class info and you have already a huge class imbalance. The ones no one will touch just about jump off the page. A little more thot should have gone into these also. Then you have actual implementation ingame. All sounds pretty good to them on paper. I think they will see where the mistakes are in the classes almost within a week of release. But then again, I dont think for a second they are done. I do believe they will release what they got and see how it all works, and maybe changing on the fly (after all, alot of games already do that right? ayup they do however, these are already established core games)
But alas, we will not know and I will assert that these are only thots based on what was released for info regarding. I dont believe for a second that all will be well on release. Again, this is all pretty on paper..will it all be there at release? Will it work at release? we jsut dont know yet.
Yes, sure Cholayna, 100% agree on what you said. My point is that I think that it is quite important for people to know the history of the development, but I don't know if I can express myself here considering the recent threads that have been locked. French forums are occupied by people attained by "viral marketing" (a new concept that was pointed out by a lot of people), u know...and a lot of disinformation has been going on.
yes indeed. However I can tell you that I have been in contact with Jon Wood here, the community manager, for these forums and he seems to be a pretty straight up guy. I did recieve an email that he is checking on the thread and its reason for the lock. There was no reason for it but we must allow him time to check it out himself. He has indeed taken an active interest and for that all I can say is thank you Jon and mmorpg.com.
And yes I agree with you, We seem to be experiencing some censorship as never before seen here at mmorpg.com. I can tell you however that Jon is looking into this and we can get on with the discussions in the way in which mmorpg.com has made itself one of the best sites to go for info. (egad! I sound like a commercial! LOL)
As far as info being given as the history of the development would be a very welcomed thread or a series of posts. It has been sooo long with speculations, lies, misleading information, I think I can speak for a few others here and beg you to please give us some more info.
No matter how this game turns out, knowing the ins and outs just may help us all to understand a bit more perhaps of the thinking behind many of the decisions farlan and company has made.Or confirm our skeptical thots. Or leave us scratching our heads in wonder again.
p.s. I was told that the locked thread regarding the issue of the engine would in fact be re-opened but it has not at this time been done.
Well, actually I've got the impression that mmorpg.com does his job in informing people and letting them express themselves. The thing is you seem to imply that I haven't said anything so far, which is untrue, since I started to "correct" things a year ago.
I contacted WarCry staff at the time, because they had stated in an article that the technology behind DnL was Big World, which , as you know, was false, since it was VWorldTerrain (The link on the article is http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=440&colid=7224 ). The thing is at the time, the journalist wanted to know more, so I gave him elements to state that there was disinformation going on.
The journalist issued an article, (http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&colid=7499) but Farlan gave answer to it, which I wasn't informed about. Giving a right to answer is absolutely normal, except that in their response NPCube/Farlan lied a lot: I wasn't a salaried employee at NPCube when the project started, and Mafate is not a technology "invented" and developed by NPCube. We, me and my partners, did not quit NPCube to form VWORLD since VWORLD was created before we left, etc etc. lies, lies and more lies.
Mafate is a game engine which makes use of several technologies, some of them quoted, some of them not, some of them misquoted for strange reasons. That was why WarCry mentionned "warez" attitude in their article.
The thing is also that in that very article, is implied that Farlan/NPCube didn't want to mention that I was the author of at the time V-world technology, now known as VWorldTerrain, because I was in a legal tangle with my former partner at CPUSoftware, company I founded in 1997. The thing is that what was implied also was that this very legal tangle was about ownership rights, which was not true, since it has never been questionned I was the author the technology or not: the case was about my former partner stealing money from CPU. I won the case. But I had to close CPU and formed VWORLD LLC in 2004 (CPU was a company in general partnership and I remained the only shareholder, so it was legally impossible to keep that legal form of company). It appears that Farlan/ NPCube took advantage of the situation and claimed the technology was their own, since what was stated in their reply is that as I a salaried employee, I had no right to claim any intellectual right over the technology.
They are lying in that respect, since I developed V-world/VWorldTerrain algorithms 100% outside NPCube/Farlan: they were written before, what I did at NPCube was "only" adapting the terrain technology to Dark and Light needs, on top of forming and directing the DnL technical team (10 people at the time) between end 2002 and mid 2004. The thing is also that I joined NPCube as a salaried employee only in March 2003, after DnL had been presented to the media. Farlan/NPCube lie about that fact, and I am not the only one to be the victim of their allegations.
I have been working in the gaming sector for 18 years now, developed more than 12 products, participated to more than 25 projects, representing more than 10 million sales worldwide. Sorry to say this, but this is true.It's the very first time in my whole life that I am faced with such lies, unprofessional attitude and such bad faith.
Therefore I cannot suffer being told I didn't say anything. I've been more than badly treated many times, in Farlan/NPCube's official responses stating that they "were reseving themselves the right to take legal action" (see, some people here believe that and tell others that I have already lost my case!!!!), in their official statements (dev-chats, announcements, AD posts on forums...-saying e.g. that "Farlan was well within their rights and that they had already taken legal action", and everything in the dev-chats has not been translated in English, u know...), not to mention the many fanbois that properly insulted me on the French forums, saying that I was only thinking of taking advantage of my former employer and that no programmer was irreplaceable and I was whining to get money from NPCube/Farlan and that they were actually "pissing on me", u know. Just ask your colleagues at www.jeuxonline.info , or in the official DnL forums. Believe me I did my best to communicate, I even published a website explaining my position, in French, I know, but hell it's my mother tongue after all. www.pourieux.com .
No, definitely, it cannot be said I didn't try to help people understand what was going on, and that I was only leaving them scratching their heads in wonder again. It all ressembles too much a Mafia-like organization. What I am saying on these boards is that Farlan/NPCube are not competent as technical people, that they will try to sell a product which is not endowed with all the features that the "devs" boast of since 2002, and that they are threatening, dangerous people for developers in the video gaming sector, not to say other sectors.
Well, actually I've got the impression that mmorpg.com does his job in informing people and letting them express themselves. The thing is you seem to imply that I haven't said anything so far, which is untrue, since I started to "correct" things a year ago.
oh no, not what I meant , nor was it directed to you. It was meant in the vein that was stated earlier. Not coming out and making outrageous statements, such as Farlan has and continues to do is well within reason, particularly on a touchy subject. I can certainly see where you may not have just for the simple fact of protecting yourself. As we all know, some of the things Farlan does..they cant be trusted at all in any arena and sometimes its just best to sit back and let them bury themselves (which they seem to have a certain knack for LOL).
It was very welcoming to hear the "other side of the story" in this case, direct from the creator. I thank you for the time and effort you have put in to allow this community to know and understand what has gone on and what apparently is still going on. It also sheds more light on just why the game is in the state it is in, why the lies from years ago and a bit why they do not wish the complete truth of the situation to get out and well known. They simply havent a clue how to do what they are attempting to do, as the tech knowledge doesnt nor ever did belong to them.. all the while trying to take the money procured by false promises and flat out lies.
Which leaves us scratching our heads in wonder at the direct sleaziness, incompetence and unethical practices of such a group of companies as Farlan/NP/AD -- how in the heck do they think they can pull this off with any amount of success? how the heck do they think they can successfully keep this cluster of a mess afloat in a biz world of absolute forward mobility and ever increasing computer game savvy customers?
Kudos to you _Pix_ for the work you have done but most importantly for standing up for yourself and not allowing a sleazy company and its associates to get away with the facade they are attempting to do.
Originally posted by thePREdiger btw, hi pix - perhaps you reckon SoF (Soldiers of Fortune) around Bluenose and Delta or even me from the very young days of DnL.
oh yes, remember u PREdiger, from certain forums since 2003...even if I didn't have a lot of time to spend on these forums. I know you made a lot for this game. If I'm correct, SoF interviewed me at E3 2004. (maybe it was Bluenose or Delta, not sure, sorry if I don't recall correctly). At that time, DnL had a good success, yes.
Cholayna, thanks for the good words and sorry for my misunderstanding of English some times. I really thought u were talking about me. Sorry again, but this was the right occasion to speak out, you are right, and no regrets here, not at all. Hope this will help all of us.
"Which leaves us scratching our heads in wonder at the direct sleaziness, incompetence and unethical practices of such a group of companies as Farlan/NP/AD -- how in the heck do they think they can pull this off with any amount of success? how the heck do they think they can successfully keep this cluster of a mess afloat in a biz world of absolute forward mobility and ever increasing computer game savvy customers?"
Very easy to answer Choylana.....all you have to do is read what the rabid fawnbois write and you have your customers right there. They will take anything that is given to them by Farlan/NPcube and call it Filet Mignion even if it is dog crap.
Of course they don't add up to enough people to keep this game afloat but there are always new "short bus" people coming along to pick up the slack. You see it in every game and all the devs are banking on are that there are a lot of ignorant people in the world that will buy their hype.
Originally posted by _Pix_ I have been working in the gaming sector for 18 years now, developed more than 12 products, participated to more than 25 projects, representing more than 10 million sales worldwide. Sorry to say this, but this is true.It's the very first time in my whole life that I am faced with such lies, unprofessional attitude and such bad faith.
Thanx for the post _Pix_ and I remember the article when it came out a coupla years ago. Interesting read.
Have you noticed however there have been replies from any of the fanbois regarding this truth? thats exactly what needs to happen. They need to quit slopping their ignorant half-truths all over the place. If they were the least bit smart, they would keep their mouths shut on everything they try to show as good and better. Cant think of one item where it has been the truth.
Good job _Pix_. keep it up. Dont let the sleazebags get away with it.Like someone said, let me say all they want, its only giving them rope long enough to hang the whole bunch.
hmmmm, promising the same thing to two different groups which would cancel out each other if they went ahead and kept thier contractual promises and anger some MORE ppl.
Pioneers angry that the 48 hr access isnt exclusive as stated in the contractual purchase hype?
Pre-orders angry that the little goodie they get to use at launch,which was stated in the purchase hype as well as their email purchase confirmation, for the game on the 27th wont get to play on that date?
And you can prolly guess that not only are the fanbois telling ppl they were stupid for believing it or stupid for expecting them to live up to what was promised as incentive to purchase.....they will come up with a semantic excuse..."We never actually promised ......"...."We never actually said......." yet its right there in print in front of their eyes...but it was a "translation issue" yeh yeh thats the ticket...... oh wait..its not they will come up with ...they already are.
Originally posted by Cholayna And you can prolly guess that not only are the fanbois telling ppl they were stupid for believing it or stupid for expecting them to live up to what was promised as incentive to purchase.....they will come up with a semantic excuse..."We never actually promised ......"...."We never actually said......." yet its right there in print in front of their eyes...but it was a "translation issue" yeh yeh thats the ticket...... oh wait..its not they will come up with ...they already are.
already started by their advance team of fanbois spamming the sites with their half truths and flames to the truthsayers.
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I admit I decided to change my atutiude and posting style here.
As you can see a lot of replays above are in "your" troll category:
Most peoples definition is someone who posts without substance, reasoning, logic or who engages in personal attacks.
Up unitl today I realy tried to get neutral and to post only my point of view, however due 99% "hatebois" vs 1% "fanbois" balance I was always attacked the same way fanbois do at offical forums.
( go away, see you, dont get etc... ) I never had any those type of replays on official forums ...
So just to make fun of it i decided if Iam already categorised as blind fanboi, by most of ppl here why disapont them, I shurly can and will troll around in all topics when I see hate posts without substance, reasoning, logic ...
Sorry to bitter end I hoped that I realy can post and engage in some good discussions here couse I belived we can do it here without fanbois interfirance ...
p.s. Iam far from fanboi, did not play SoG for nearly 2 months, it got realy boring after I hit lvl 35 and most of players left. I usualy log in every thursday after they aplay patches just to update client and see if it still works.
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We have posted facts and great discussion material while others flame us without anything to back it up.
You can view such things happening NOT ONLY at the MMORPG.com forums but also specially at the Official D&L Forums.
So think about it real hard.
Reread your posts for the pass few months and what we have been posting.
You can easily notice that for the most part, people like me, Zippy and others have been posting in a calm and reasonable mannner with facts to base on our arguments.
And you can easily see that, for the most part, people like you are the ones that corrupt any kind of forum community.
I also find it sad that even after being given just a sample of what Farlan/NP3 is hiding you are still defending them this much and attacking those that speak any truth about them.
Specially when the facts have already been handed to you.
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Kilim I did not say that all of you are trolling just most of users here does.
And again I dont defend Farlan/NP3 have no reasons for it, the way how they conduct bussines is lame and awful.
Iam attacking stupid posts/replays and not users and I would not even call that attack but just Iam replaying to in in the same manner they post it.
I tried to be calm and reasonable but it seems I gave up on it.
And regarding :
And you can easily see that, for the most part, people like you are the ones that corrupt any kind of forum community
I wont start any type of agressive thread however I will try to replay on any stupid or insulting posts in the same manner, expect if some of you will try to calm that person down before I spot it.
p.s. Some how I belive that after my todays replays I will be flamed and hated as hell.
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
Nobody here has ever told you to "go away" or the like IK. Most ev1 here however HAS been a part of your post due to
incompleteness of your statement(s)
misinformation in your statement(s)
validity of your statement(s)
moving back to topic in reply to your statement(s)
In alot of your posts replies, there are several of us whom have agreed on a point or two you have made then go on to correct your misinformation or incomplete fact. Simple. Its not telling you shoo, go away, no one ever has. (And I am right now correcting your misinformation and incomplete statement). Its not hard to prove, simply look back at all your posts and no one has EVER told you to leave or go away.
As far as attacked in same manner as farlans gig? That is a straight out lie and exaggeration on your part. you have simply been well, corrected, or someone has simply well, completed your statement and you dont like it.
SO now you "just to make fun of it" blast anyone and everyone who has anything bad at all to say even tho it wasnt them that instigated it in the first place! It was the mods and devs and the game itself that brought all this in and continues to bring it all in.
There are a few posts in here that are simply juvenile angry posters but those are usually ignored and the poster just needed to vent some steam before moving on. Most posts in this forum are Factual, True, Logical reasoning and specualtions and contain enough of this to give it substance. Whether you wish to read the post or not is your own thing. You cant hide the truth no matter what.And it is not ONLY mmorpg.com, there are at least 4 other forums in which this game is laid flat on its back and the truth is gutted out. Not hard to find out. Do a search and just see how widespread the truth about this game is.
Devs come up with something stupid pretty regularly. Aint our fault. <shrug>
I believe the point of this thread was a discussion of the whys and wherefores of the devs actions regarding this game. IK has successfully derailed this again into a pity party for posts getting slammed with the truth back at him. I suggest ignoring the attempts of derailment by IK by just not responding and report as trolling.
Now -- to get back on subject.
Currently, we have 5 days to go. It was assumed that the 21st was the final event. It was done on a weekday and early afternoon. I can only surmise that they either did not want the americans there at the event or did not want alot of ppl so as to detour the reports of crashes during yet another event or just didnt care about the western world.
Since then, a few have voiced their opinions on this and suddenly now, there are "events through 23rd". Instead of a grand announcement, it was slipped into a thread. Like it was there all the time! Brings up yet another surmise: they dont want alot of players knowing about it so as not to have reports of crashing during an event yet again or havent yet figured out exactly what they are gonna do and will hurry up and make it up as they go and when its ready, they will tell ya and call ya an idiot for not applying osmosis and knowing the details of said event.
Along with that -- with 5 days to go we have no information whatsoever regarding the details of SOG/DNL closing, opening, downloading, access, payment subscription, skill trees, opening events, anything at all!!!!! regarding the release of the game.
How much dumber can they get indeed! Allowing for this has turned yet even MORE ppl off the game and when the ppl come to try it out on the 27th as it is stated as official release day, its gonna anger even MORE ppl that oops! unless you buy right now, before seeing it and before you have any info whatsoever other than our horrendous history of mistreatment and misinformation and broken promises, you are SOL ppl! The REAL date is still two days away soooooooo (it aint a lie, we never said it was the day you could actually PLAY the game -- its just the day we are saying the launcher will be released!) Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.
welllll they came out with info Lil.
Will it all run when players on the server? we dont know.
Since I dont know yet and cant clear any of this since the game isnt released yet, i do have some concerns with some of the info released.....these will be answered for me in the release I am sure but these are what stuck in my head as I was reading it all....
I dont like the fact that you MUST be in a guild in order to get anywhere as far as game immersion. The guild seems to have to be a huge and powerful guild for you to really do anything worthwhile. Doesnt appear to be a soloable game in the sense that you cannot achieve much without being in a guild. What happens if/when you leave a guild? What happens while you wait for another guild to join? Where does that put you and your skills and pts and everything else? What about nonguilded ppl? New players? small guilds? casual guilds? It appears there is no place for these.
I dont like the idea of the brotherhood and someone else directing my path and pts and etc. What happened to freedom?
I get the impression of a claustaphobic leveling system, based on others actions and performance instead of completely my own.
I have no idea yet but lets hope its not constricting as it appears.
Will there be housing? I didnt see it mentioned but I may have missed it?
How does the merchant system work? ( I would imagine its play the damn game and find out!) Will the guild have anything to do with what I craft/sell/how much i make?
Yap that guild/brotherhod part scare me.
I also dont like the need to be in guild to progress normaly ingame.
I just dont hope it will be like EQ2 ( Iam playing it for past month ... 29 days) where everything is about grouping and you cant solo at all. ( ok you can but its not worth )
About housing I belive i saw somewhere that they dont be avalible at relase. ( not confirmed )
Futilez[Do You Have What It Takes ?]
hmm comparing DNL to EQ2 is two different types of games but I see your point.As in other games however you will have those that HAVE soloed a "group" game.
I am one of those . I will admit there are not many classes that can do it solo all the way but there are at least one or two in each alignment that can and have and lots of ppl do. There are quite a few that I know that solo EQ2 so I cant agree with you on that point.
The point of the post was the promise of freedom and action like "you have never seen before" --- weellll, thats certainly true if what they are saying is the way in which DNL will work. Basing your whole immersion, progress and fun on other ppl's ideas performance and well.however the hell they feel that day is in no way a freedom game. Sure I can go out and snowboard or fly my dodo but cant do something else effectively yet cuz my guild isnt bad enough, big enough or my brotherhood leader says I aint gonna get my ranking or my pts? PFFT! cya!
Basing an immersion of the game on other ppls actions, yet saying that you hate that it has to be all groups when in fact, its a whole group of several groups that will determine what and how and where you in a game is completely off the wall.
Actually it's a 3.5 going onto 4 year project, started in mid 02
Not really, no, sorry. As far as I was told at the time by Farlan team, the idea of DnL emerged much earlier than mid 2002. There was a first dev team prior to NPCube and prior to my first encounter with Farlan in 2001. Then, Farlan found out about the technology I was developing (my former company was about to release in Europe the Eingana edutainment product using it). My company of the time started to work on DnL project in April 2002 and NPCube was formed in September 2002.
So, mid 2002 is the date NPCube was formed, but the project started earlier with others teams. When NPCube started the "official" development of DnL, there was a lot of technical stuff that was already existing and working. No wonder NPCube was a small team, since a large part of the job was already developed and used in other products.
You can find here http://www.the-junkyard.net/interviews.php?action=viewinterview&id=39 an article giving interesting details.
PS: I am just wondering at this point if telling about project development history is something which is preferable or not to mention on this boards.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
Well for it dosent scare me at all, it reminds me of EVE, you need to have a corp to build a station so why not in DnL?
And solong in DnL will not be that hard i think, i realy cant see forced grouping ala guild to get far in DnL.
But we have to see, we can only speculate on this but i do think solo players can still do mutch ingame and actual do things that can affect guilds, like attacking thier carvans so they have to guard them and so on.
Or you can be a master crafter and only sell too one guild but you are still alone if you whant to.
Ofcource you may miss the big things like fortress attacks and be a apart of owning a barony but still, its not to late to join a guild later.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Actually it's a 3.5 going onto 4 year project, started in mid 02
Not really, no, sorry. As far as I was told at the time by Farlan team, the idea of DnL emerged much earlier than mid 2002. There was a first dev team prior to NPCube and prior to my first encounter with Farlan in 2001. Then, Farlan found out about the technology I was developing (my former company was about to release in Europe the Eingana edutainment product using it). My company of the time started to work on DnL project in April 2002 and NPCube was formed in September 2002.
So, mid 2002 is the date NPCube was formed, but the project started earlier with others teams. When NPCube started the "official" development of DnL, there was a lot of technical stuff that was already existing and working. No wonder NPCube was a small team, since a large part of the job was already developed and used in other products.
You can find here http://www.the-junkyard.net/interviews.php?action=viewinterview&id=39 an article giving interesting details.
PS: I am just wondering at this point if telling about project development history is something which is preferable or not to mention on this boards.
interesting link. Those guys could always talk a good game, too bad they can't program one.
I miss DAoC
thats what Im saying tho. It would appear, if you read all the info, that your progression and pts and such which allow for all of the XP is based on others performance. CXP, SXP and even FXP. Being without a powerful and huge guild will not allow for maximum immersion. There is not much you can go on when its constricted like this.Sure you can prolly go solo but without the perks of what would be given within a brotherhood or a guild, it would soon get boring and well...futile. I just think this needed a bit more thought into the casual, solo, unguilded, small guild, egomanical brotherhood leader things than what was posted. It may be that it will turn into a forced guild situation. I can already see brotherhood leaders with heads the size of manhatten and egos to boot. I believe EVE is good simply because its free. It doesnt mean there is a good system in place already there.
I will also say that reading over the class info and you have already a huge class imbalance. The ones no one will touch just about jump off the page. A little more thot should have gone into these also. Then you have actual implementation ingame. All sounds pretty good to them on paper. I think they will see where the mistakes are in the classes almost within a week of release. But then again, I dont think for a second they are done. I do believe they will release what they got and see how it all works, and maybe changing on the fly (after all, alot of games already do that right? ayup they do however, these are already established core games)
But alas, we will not know and I will assert that these are only thots based on what was released for info regarding. I dont believe for a second that all will be well on release. Again, this is all pretty on paper..will it all be there at release? Will it work at release? we jsut dont know yet.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
yes indeed. However I can tell you that I have been in contact with Jon Wood here, the community manager, for these forums and he seems to be a pretty straight up guy. I did recieve an email that he is checking on the thread and its reason for the lock. There was no reason for it but we must allow him time to check it out himself. He has indeed taken an active interest and for that all I can say is thank you Jon and mmorpg.com.
And yes I agree with you, We seem to be experiencing some censorship as never before seen here at mmorpg.com. I can tell you however that Jon is looking into this and we can get on with the discussions in the way in which mmorpg.com has made itself one of the best sites to go for info. (egad! I sound like a commercial! LOL)
As far as info being given as the history of the development would be a very welcomed thread or a series of posts. It has been sooo long with speculations, lies, misleading information, I think I can speak for a few others here and beg you to please give us some more info.
No matter how this game turns out, knowing the ins and outs just may help us all to understand a bit more perhaps of the thinking behind many of the decisions farlan and company has made.Or confirm our skeptical thots. Or leave us scratching our heads in wonder again.
p.s. I was told that the locked thread regarding the issue of the engine would in fact be re-opened but it has not at this time been done.
Well, actually I've got the impression that mmorpg.com does his job in informing people and letting them express themselves. The thing is you seem to imply that I haven't said anything so far, which is untrue, since I started to "correct" things a year ago.
I contacted WarCry staff at the time, because they had stated in an article that the technology behind DnL was Big World, which , as you know, was false, since it was VWorldTerrain (The link on the article is http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&id=440&colid=7224 ). The thing is at the time, the journalist wanted to know more, so I gave him elements to state that there was disinformation going on.
The journalist issued an article, (http://www.warcry.com/scripts/columns/view_sectionalt.phtml?site=15&colid=7499) but Farlan gave answer to it, which I wasn't informed about. Giving a right to answer is absolutely normal, except that in their response NPCube/Farlan lied a lot: I wasn't a salaried employee at NPCube when the project started, and Mafate is not a technology "invented" and developed by NPCube. We, me and my partners, did not quit NPCube to form VWORLD since VWORLD was created before we left, etc etc. lies, lies and more lies.
Mafate is a game engine which makes use of several technologies, some of them quoted, some of them not, some of them misquoted for strange reasons. That was why WarCry mentionned "warez" attitude in their article.
The thing is also that in that very article, is implied that Farlan/NPCube didn't want to mention that I was the author of at the time V-world technology, now known as VWorldTerrain, because I was in a legal tangle with my former partner at CPUSoftware, company I founded in 1997. The thing is that what was implied also was that this very legal tangle was about ownership rights, which was not true, since it has never been questionned I was the author the technology or not: the case was about my former partner stealing money from CPU. I won the case. But I had to close CPU and formed VWORLD LLC in 2004 (CPU was a company in general partnership and I remained the only shareholder, so it was legally impossible to keep that legal form of company). It appears that Farlan/ NPCube took advantage of the situation and claimed the technology was their own, since what was stated in their reply is that as I a salaried employee, I had no right to claim any intellectual right over the technology.
They are lying in that respect, since I developed V-world/VWorldTerrain algorithms 100% outside NPCube/Farlan: they were written before, what I did at NPCube was "only" adapting the terrain technology to Dark and Light needs, on top of forming and directing the DnL technical team (10 people at the time) between end 2002 and mid 2004. The thing is also that I joined NPCube as a salaried employee only in March 2003, after DnL had been presented to the media. Farlan/NPCube lie about that fact, and I am not the only one to be the victim of their allegations.
I have been working in the gaming sector for 18 years now, developed more than 12 products, participated to more than 25 projects, representing more than 10 million sales worldwide. Sorry to say this, but this is true.It's the very first time in my whole life that I am faced with such lies, unprofessional attitude and such bad faith.
Therefore I cannot suffer being told I didn't say anything. I've been more than badly treated many times, in Farlan/NPCube's official responses stating that they "were reseving themselves the right to take legal action" (see, some people here believe that and tell others that I have already lost my case!!!!), in their official statements (dev-chats, announcements, AD posts on forums...-saying e.g. that "Farlan was well within their rights and that they had already taken legal action", and everything in the dev-chats has not been translated in English, u know...), not to mention the many fanbois that properly insulted me on the French forums, saying that I was only thinking of taking advantage of my former employer and that no programmer was irreplaceable and I was whining to get money from NPCube/Farlan and that they were actually "pissing on me", u know. Just ask your colleagues at www.jeuxonline.info , or in the official DnL forums. Believe me I did my best to communicate, I even published a website explaining my position, in French, I know, but hell it's my mother tongue after all. www.pourieux.com .
No, definitely, it cannot be said I didn't try to help people understand what was going on, and that I was only leaving them scratching their heads in wonder again. It all ressembles too much a Mafia-like organization. What I am saying on these boards is that Farlan/NPCube are not competent as technical people, that they will try to sell a product which is not endowed with all the features that the "devs" boast of since 2002, and that they are threatening, dangerous people for developers in the video gaming sector, not to say other sectors.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
oh yes, remember u PREdiger, from certain forums since 2003...even if I didn't have a lot of time to spend on these forums. I know you made a lot for this game. If I'm correct, SoF interviewed me at E3 2004. (maybe it was Bluenose or Delta, not sure, sorry if I don't recall correctly). At that time, DnL had a good success, yes.
Cholayna, thanks for the good words and sorry for my misunderstanding of English some times. I really thought u were talking about me. Sorry again, but this was the right occasion to speak out, you are right, and no regrets here, not at all. Hope this will help all of us.
No, it's not only a flight sim
Current Work In Progress
"Which leaves us scratching our heads in wonder at the direct sleaziness, incompetence and unethical practices of such a group of companies as Farlan/NP/AD -- how in the heck do they think they can pull this off with any amount of success? how the heck do they think they can successfully keep this cluster of a mess afloat in a biz world of absolute forward mobility and ever increasing computer game savvy customers?"
Very easy to answer Choylana.....all you have to do is read what the rabid fawnbois write and you have your customers right there. They will take anything that is given to them by Farlan/NPcube and call it Filet Mignion even if it is dog crap.
Of course they don't add up to enough people to keep this game afloat but there are always new "short bus" people coming along to pick up the slack. You see it in every game and all the devs are banking on are that there are a lot of ignorant people in the world that will buy their hype.
hmmmm, promising the same thing to two different groups which would cancel out each other if they went ahead and kept thier contractual promises and anger some MORE ppl.
Pioneers angry that the 48 hr access isnt exclusive as stated in the contractual purchase hype?
Pre-orders angry that the little goodie they get to use at launch,which was stated in the purchase hype as well as their email purchase confirmation, for the game on the 27th wont get to play on that date?
And you can prolly guess that not only are the fanbois telling ppl they were stupid for believing it or stupid for expecting them to live up to what was promised as incentive to purchase.....they will come up with a semantic excuse..."We never actually promised ......"...."We never actually said......." yet its right there in print in front of their eyes...but it was a "translation issue" yeh yeh thats the ticket...... oh wait..its not they will come up with ...they already are.
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