"Horde being "evil" is a matter of perspective" Well in alliance you do not get quests to transform puppies to monsters or kill them, nor you have job to spread plague. :-) So in general, Horde IS evil and Alliance is OPPOSITE. Also in Legion it is leader of Horde to BETRAY. Etc. etc....
Aren't void elves just blood elves with different colored skin and some of the hairstyles having glowy effects? Aren't Highmountain Taurens just Taurens with moose antlers? Aren't Nightborne just Night elves that can't flip? Aren't the new draenei just light colored draenei with tatoos? Dat logic SE....dat logic....dont even get me started on Magah(sp) orcs (even though I'm making one for sure). I mean all the "stuff" you get could've basically been added into the character customization. Just sounds like a lazy excuse to me ontop of an already lazy concept.
No they are not. Each one of them have a lore behind them that makes them different from their original versions. But it is not the case with Blood-High Elves. Blood Elves literally the High Elves we know from the lore. The only difference is their eye color and that comes from the sunwell. Which is why we will able to create blood elves with yellow eye color in BfA. Because Sunwell is no longer corrupted with fell energy.
Highmountain Taurens have their own tribe, zone and lore behind them. And there are enough of them in the Warcraft universe that make them vaible as an allied race.
Nightbornes are not Night Elves. They are releated like every single elf race in the game but after more than 10.000 years they are very different from each other. Their culture, believes and power sources are complately different.
Lightforged Draneis are Light's soldiers and they are fighting with the legion for more than a thousand years. They didn't even set foot on Azeroth till now and they are just introduced with some of the most common things about Draneis. And again there are enough of them in the game that makes them viable as an allie race. On top of that normal draneis can become Lightforged after they earned the right and complated their trial.
You are only right about Void Elves. They are the most forced and weird race lore wise in the game. And they are very small in numbers unlike other races. They look amazing I won't deny that but it is ıgh I can't explain.
High Elves are vey small in numbers and like I said they are literally Blood Elves. There are not even 2000 high elves in the game according to the lore. There is nothing between them that makes them different from each other. After the third war %90 of the high elves literally died and %90 of the survivors changed their names to blood elves in remembrance of their fallen brethren and no longer consider themselves high elven. That's all you can find about the difference between those 2 races.
Yes there are a lot of people who want High Elves as an allied race but they don't care about the lore even a bit. They just wanna play blood elves without leaving the Alliance and Void Elves are not what they want and I get that. But at the same time there are a lot of players like me who are against this idea because of the lore reasons. Blizzard knows this very well and that's why they introduced Void Elves. Even though they are weird lore wise, at least they are a new race. So Blizzard can work on them however they want without destroying the lore they created years ago.
And Mag'har Orcs are literally Orcs that haven't been corrupted by the fel. High Elves are Blood Elves that haven't been corrupted by the fel. Why is one allowed but not the other? Wait, I'll answer that for you: there's no good reason. There are reasons, just no good ones.
Because there are thousands of thousands of them in the game. They have countless possibilities for character customization. Since every single Orc tribe has different characteristics, look, culture, history. On the other hand High Elves are the kitten Blood Elves. There is NOTHING different between them. How is this so hard to understand ffs. Tomorrow I will declare to the world that I'm not a Human but a Koala. There is no real reason. I just don't like humans but I reaaly like Koalas. This is your reasoning for them to become allied race. On top of that good luck making an allied race with fewer than 2000 members. Yeah, you do that...
People literally cry about another Blood Elf race with blue eyes. I can understand the official forums. Even in the forums if you look at the main topic about this issue, you will see %70-80 of the players are against this idea. Most of the posts are spams of 3-4 people in general. One of my 2 main characters is a Dranei paladin. And I play on the Argent Dawn which is the most popular rp realm in the EU server. It is already hard to keep this server as an rp realm because every new expansion hundreds of new or returning players who doesn't even care about rp jump in. It is one of the most populated alliance realms in the game which is why it is expected. With the High Elf allied race I can't even imagine how many kids who just wanna play high elves will join in this realm and we will have to deal with them. I don't wanna see 123532145321 High Elves in my realm just because they are the new kids on the block.
And yes I care about the lore. You can say as much as you want that they can stretch the lore and make this happen. I don't want that. And it won't happen so I'm glad. If you want an evidence other than Ion's words, just read the Chronicles. You can find as much as you want in them.
Aren't void elves just blood elves with different colored skin and some of the hairstyles having glowy effects? Aren't Highmountain Taurens just Taurens with moose antlers? Aren't Nightborne just Night elves that can't flip? Aren't the new draenei just light colored draenei with tatoos? Dat logic SE....dat logic....dont even get me started on Magah(sp) orcs (even though I'm making one for sure). I mean all the "stuff" you get could've basically been added into the character customization. Just sounds like a lazy excuse to me ontop of an already lazy concept.
No they are not. Each one of them have a lore behind them that makes them different from their original versions. But it is not the case with Blood-High Elves. Blood Elves literally the High Elves we know from the lore. The only difference is their eye color and that comes from the sunwell. Which is why we will able to create blood elves with yellow eye color in BfA. Because Sunwell is no longer corrupted with fell energy.
Highmountain Taurens have their own tribe, zone and lore behind them. And there are enough of them in the Warcraft universe that make them vaible as an allied race.
Nightbornes are not Night Elves. They are releated like every single elf race in the game but after more than 10.000 years they are very different from each other. Their culture, believes and power sources are complately different.
Lightforged Draneis are Light's soldiers and they are fighting with the legion for more than a thousand years. They didn't even set foot on Azeroth till now and they are just introduced with some of the most common things about Draneis. And again there are enough of them in the game that makes them viable as an allie race. On top of that normal draneis can become Lightforged after they earned the right and complated their trial.
You are only right about Void Elves. They are the most forced and weird race lore wise in the game. And they are very small in numbers unlike other races. They look amazing I won't deny that but it is ıgh I can't explain.
High Elves are vey small in numbers and like I said they are literally Blood Elves. There are not even 2000 high elves in the game according to the lore. There is nothing between them that makes them different from each other. After the third war %90 of the high elves literally died and %90 of the survivors changed their names to blood elves in remembrance of their fallen brethren and no longer consider themselves high elven. That's all you can find about the difference between those 2 races.
Yes there are a lot of people who want High Elves as an allied race but they don't care about the lore even a bit. They just wanna play blood elves without leaving the Alliance and Void Elves are not what they want and I get that. But at the same time there are a lot of players like me who are against this idea because of the lore reasons. Blizzard knows this very well and that's why they introduced Void Elves. Even though they are weird lore wise, at least they are a new race. So Blizzard can work on them however they want without destroying the lore they created years ago.
Yes, within the narrative they are very different. Pragmatically speaking they're reskinned meshes and models for existing races. They're mirror races to give the other faction options. His excuse for not adding them is ridiculous.
"Blood Elves are basically High Elves with slightly different eye color and backstory. If you want to be a light skinned Elf, that is basically a Blood Elf. Giving that to the Alliance would blur the line between factions."
He feels that way unless you spend 30 damn dollars on a faction change to play an "Alliance High Elf". Thirty dollars!
On top of that of all the times and issues to suddenly show deep concern over? I'm not buying it. Like the Battleground issue, I think they're taking the lazy easy road out because of all studios and publishers they can actually get away with it. Like @KalebGrayson said, it's disappointing.
With the faction change option, there really isn't an excuse other than "we can peel more money from players."
The new reality of monetization.
EDIT- not only that, but they could've used the opportunity to create quality quest content to explain why there would be defectors. Instead, they offer the faction change in the most unimmersive way possible, because it was easier and could make a quick extra buck from the player. For a game that's one of the most profitable titles ever released, that's lame.
When i look around people are running around BLIND to the entire game's structure,the ONLY thing they care about is looking for markers over npc heads so they can do an errand to get xp,NOTHING else matters.
Then after they get to max level or a bit sooner it is time to get loot,again RACE/LORE none of it matters.Find a different pet..doesn't matter,they are all treated basically the same.
Zones have been turned into scaling levels,forget the lore forget the mobs having any meaning,they are now just a number on the errand list.
Blizzard.the business that knows how to turn shallow gaming into even worse shallow gaming but hey we have pvp and LEVELS !!! and player RANKINGS !!.
Here you want a rank 1 i'll give it to you >>>you are #1,there no need to give blizzard any money.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
One thing everyone should know about Blizzard by now is that their hard and fast rules aren't so hard and fast.
Everything they have said that will never happen has happened. You just have to wait until the subscriptions are dipping low for them and all of a sudden anything is possible.
And Mag'har Orcs are literally Orcs that haven't been corrupted by the fel. High Elves are Blood Elves that haven't been corrupted by the fel. Why is one allowed but not the other? Wait, I'll answer that for you: there's no good reason. There are reasons, just no good ones.
Because there are thousands of thousands of them in the game. They have countless possibilities for character customization. Since every single Orc tribe has different characteristics, look, culture, history. On the other hand High Elves are the kitten Blood Elves. There is NOTHING different between them. How is this so hard to understand ffs. Tomorrow I will declare to the world that I'm not a Human but a Koala. There is no real reason. I just don't like humans but I reaaly like Koalas. This is your reasoning for them to become allied race. On top of that good luck making an allied race with fewer than 2000 members. Yeah, you do that...
People literally cry about another Blood Elf race with blue eyes. I can understand the official forums. Even in the forums if you look at the main topic about this issue, you will see %70-80 of the players are against this idea. Most of the posts are spams of 3-4 people in general. One of my 2 main characters is a Dranei paladin. And I play on the Argent Dawn which is the most popular rp realm in the EU server. It is already hard to keep this server as an rp realm because every new expansion hundreds of new or returning players who doesn't even care about rp jump in. It is one of the most populated alliance realms in the game which is why it is expected. With the High Elf allied race I can't even imagine how many kids who just wanna play high elves will join in this realm and we will have to deal with them. I don't wanna see 123532145321 High Elves in my realm just because they are the new kids on the block.
And yes I care about the lore. You can say as much as you want that they can stretch the lore and make this happen. I don't want that. And it won't happen so I'm glad. If you want an evidence other than Ion's words, just read the Chronicles. You can find as much as you want in them.
"Because there are thousands of thousands of them in the game."
And Void Elves then? Uh huh ....
Face it, there's no good reason not to have High Elves. If lore is really the problem they can add to the lore to make it feasible or they can just ignore the absurdity of the numbers altogether the way they did with Void Elves. Illidain Stormrage was dead and literally got brought back to life, but there's no way the High Elves can make a come back? There's no way they could have been hiding somewhere like, you know, the Night Elves did for thousands of years? Sorry, the whole "Lore" excuse is so, so lame considering the precedent Blizzard themselves has set.
Sorry dude but you're hopeless. I won't spend my time here anymore. If you want any more answers about High Elves just go and read the chronicles. They are the canon Blizzard set themselves so we can find answers about the lore that we want.
Just one last word about Void Elves. I said this on my first post here too. High Elves already got their own lore and history. Because of that history and the reality you faced in the game they are not considered as an allied race. That's why Blizzard straight up said that High Elves are the Blood Elves in the game. End of story. But it is different with Void Elves. They are new. They don't have a specific lore other than their small questline and Blizzard can do whatever they want with them in the future. They can create their lore and reasoning for becoming an allied race with the upcoming patches and the expansion. For example, in the Battle of Lordaeron scenario, after Jaina arrives at the battleground, Alleria and other Void Elves arrived and changed the course of war. Even in that scenario Blizzard specifically displayed them as an ally of the Alliance and they are big enough to affect the course of the war.
We don't know how they will be included in the lore of upcoming expansion. But we know one thing. Void will be the main thing that we will deal in the future. So Blizzard can easily use Void Elves for this reason and blend them into the lore easily if they want to. I don't think Void Elves are created just to shut alliance nerds up about High Elves. That's why even though I find Void Elves weird I think they are much MUCH more reasonable then High Elves.
If historical precedence of self-conscious beings is any indicator, the idea that the factions would be so strictly separated among racial lines is completely absurd from square one. You actually have to work to explain that fact away in the first place.
Keep looking at these BfA news, hoping that "Maybe this time, finally, we get something exciting!". Like flying in TBC. Like raids in Vanilla. Like going after Illidan, Kel'Thuzad, Kil'Jaden, Arthas - all legendary characters worth a full RPG story. Like having a big dragon attacking and remodeling the world.
But NOTHING. Simply nothing of importance in BfA. Just same old crap, yet again milked for a further 2 years. Damn, people actually get excited about a damn race or something, as if playing as some humanoid fox will make the game better - no it won't - although you might be into some kinky furry shit, yeah I suspect you of that.
To make things worse there's no new MMO on the market, no MMO is good/successful, even normal RPGs are shit, it's all about Fortnite and kids and Drake and Ninja's hair color and fucking hell, it's an awful time to be a MMORPG lover.
Keep looking at these BfA news, hoping that "Maybe this time, finally, we get something exciting!". Like flying in TBC. Like raids in Vanilla. Like going after Illidan, Kel'Thuzad, Kil'Jaden, Arthas - all legendary characters worth a full RPG story. Like having a big dragon attacking and remodeling the world.
But NOTHING. Simply nothing of importance in BfA. Just same old crap, yet again milked for a further 2 years. Damn, people actually get excited about a damn race or something, as if playing as some humanoid fox will make the game better - no it won't - although you might be into some kinky furry shit, yeah I suspect you of that.
To make things worse there's no new MMO on the market, no MMO is good/successful, even normal RPGs are shit, it's all about Fortnite and kids and Drake and Ninja's hair color and fucking hell, it's an awful time to be a MMORPG lover.
Normal RPGs have actually been enjoying a renaissance of sorts. Wasteland 2, PoE, PoE2 later this year, Witcher 3, Horizon: Zero Dawn (though it is heavily action-based), just to name a few... Even Telltale has been taking on popular IPs to provide a narrative-driven RPG entry for things like GoT (I would HIGHLY recommend their "The Wolf Among Us" title to anyone who enjoys narrative-driven RPGs). I agree the MMORPG genre is in an awkward state at this time, but "normal" RPGs seem to still be doing just fine, even the crowdfunded ones.
"Because there are thousands of thousands of them in the game."
And Void Elves then? Uh huh ....
Face it, there's no good reason not to have High Elves. If lore is really the problem they can add to the lore to make it feasible or they can just ignore the absurdity of the numbers altogether the way they did with Void Elves. Illidain Stormrage was dead and literally got brought back to life, but there's no way the High Elves can make a come back? There's no way they could have been hiding somewhere like, you know, the Night Elves did for thousands of years? Sorry, the whole "Lore" excuse is so, so lame considering the precedent Blizzard themselves has set.
Sorry dude but you're hopeless. I won't spend my time here anymore. If you want any more answers about High Elves just go and read the chronicles. They are the canon Blizzard set themselves so we can find answers about the lore that we want.
Just one last word about Void Elves. I said this on my first post here too. High Elves already got their own lore and history. Because of that history and the reality you faced in the game they are not considered as an allied race. That's why Blizzard straight up said that High Elves are the Blood Elves in the game. End of story. But it is different with Void Elves. They are new. They don't have a specific lore other than their small questline and Blizzard can do whatever they want with them in the future. They can create their lore and reasoning for becoming an allied race with the upcoming patches and the expansion. For example, in the Battle of Lordaeron scenario, after Jaina arrives at the battleground, Alleria and other Void Elves arrived and changed the course of war. Even in that scenario Blizzard specifically displayed them as an ally of the Alliance and they are big enough to affect the course of the war.
We don't know how they will be included in the lore of upcoming expansion. But we know one thing. Void will be the main thing that we will deal in the future. So Blizzard can easily use Void Elves for this reason and blend them into the lore easily if they want to. I don't think Void Elves are created just to shut alliance nerds up about High Elves. That's why even though I find Void Elves weird I think they are much MUCH more reasonable then High Elves.
Frankly, I think you may be taking the lore a bit too seriously. Actually, I can almost guarantee you that you take it more seriously than some of the Blizzard writers do themselves. We're talking about a world with anthropomorphized Pandas. Since you seem very well versed on the World of Warcraft lore, I'm guessing you're aware of origin of Pandarens? But let's take a moment to review it anyway.
Pandaren's started out as some comic relief in Reign of Chaos and an April Fools joke during the Warcraft 3 days. I can still remembering reading the original joke post and laughing my ass off thinking "Yeah, right, Pandas in Warcraft! Too funny ...". But people liked it so much, guess what happened? They were added to the Frozen Throne expansion as Neutral Heroes and the rest is history.
Now, between Pandas and High Elves, which race would you say there's more demand for in World of Warcraft? That's a rhetorical question. We both know the answer. Fans of the game have been asking for High Elves since vanilla.
They made all this stuff up, okay? They aren't referencing some sacred text from which they can not deviate. They can, and have, changed it whenever it's suited them in the past and they will again in the future.
Yes, I care about the lore. I'm not playing mmorpg's because I wanna run after a carrot and always try to achieve new things and even though I love pvp, I don't care pvp in WoW a lot. Like I said before I'm playing on a RP realm with an amazing community and that's why lore is very important to me. And no I'm well aware that all of these are made up. The thing you stubbornly trying not to understand is that creating new things and add them to the lore is something but trying to change the facts that you already set in a lore is something else. I'm okay with the former but I will not accept the latter. All the things you come up about the high elves are already explained with the chronicles. Like how they survived the war, decided to change their names, how they joined the Horde, how many of them survived, what hapenned the high elves etc etc. Most of these matters are explained very well in the 3. Chronicle. Actually you know what? You don't even have to read the books to understand me. Just look up the high elf topic in the mmo champion. Here is the link; https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2388622-High-Elf-confirmed
Read the arguments between pro high elfers and people who oppose them like me.
I respect your opinions about a lot of things on this forum and I don't think you are a bad person at all. But you are one of the few people on this forum that I hate arguing so I won't answer to your posts on this matter anymore. So please stop assuming things about me. Because I will have to answer that way. Even I put 3214321 more evidence here, you will still continue to deny the facts like you did before with the solo vanilla dungeon argument. I'm tired. At least pro high elf community in mmo champion and reddit are worth arguing because they can come up with some solid points that I can argue about. Not something like "But... Pandaren..." Come on dude...
"you will still continue to deny the facts like you did before with the solo vanilla dungeon argument."
I seem to remember admitting that I was wrong about that, in so many words, after I found evidence to support that it was a thing, but have it your way.
Ah sorry if I'm misunderstood. Yes, you agreed at the end. But it took us a lot of posts and videos to make you agree with us .It was very frustrating to find all those old videos lol. I don't wanna experience the same thing again but I guess I already did. Well, whatever...
Good. SoA is one of the two battlegrounds that I ban with my checkmarks every time I pvp. Its annoying and everyone ignores the strat in order to YOLO off in the roads. It's a waste of 30 minutes out of my gaming life everytime it rando pops. So good they're removing it
Here's Taliesin with a response video to last week's Q&A, where he reiterates his stance on High Elves, and where once again he's absolutely correct about everything he says: there's no good reason not to have them as an Allied Race and Blizzard should just admit they don't want them in the game instead of coming up with ridiculous excuses as to why they aren't eligible; excuses that inevitably piss off everyone who's been asking for High Elves for the last ten years and are now instead staring at Void Elves with a big WTF expression on their faces:
I guess it shouldn't have been a surprise to those who have been paying attention all this time (I wasn't one of them), since he's been saying all along that BEs were essentially HEs. I personally dont care about no HEs for alliance, but I agree with Tali that the reason blizzard gives doesn't justify it. Their reasoning essentially puts into question all the other allied races tbh, Nightborne/HM Tauren/VEs in particular. I mean the only real difference between NB and NE is that they can't flip and they are arrogant.
Here's Taliesin with a response video to last week's Q&A, where he reiterates his stance on High Elves, and where once again he's absolutely correct about everything he says: there's no good reason not to have them as an Allied Race and Blizzard should just admit they don't want them in the game instead of coming up with ridiculous excuses as to why they aren't eligible; excuses that inevitably piss off everyone who's been asking for High Elves for the last ten years and are now instead staring at Void Elves with a big WTF expression on their faces:
I guess it shouldn't have been a surprise to those who have been paying attention all this time (I wasn't one of them), since he's been saying all along that BEs were essentially HEs. I personally dont care about no HEs for alliance, but I agree with Tali that the reason blizzard gives doesn't justify it. Their reasoning essentially puts into question all the other allied races tbh, Nightborne/HM Tauren/VEs in particular. I mean the only real difference between NB and NE is that they can't flip and they are arrogant.
I keep telling myself that I won't write on this post and keep arguing with people who has no clue about the lore but I can't help myself after a post like this. Did you seriously mean that Nightbornes and Night Elves are the same race? Holy shit...
More than 10000 years have passed since Nightbornes and Night Elves separated. And on the other hand, only 13 years have passed since High Elves betray Blood Elves and decided to follow the Alliance.
Nightbornes and Night Elves have completely different cultures, history, power sources, beliefs, society and looks. Again, on the other hand, High Elves and Blood Elves are exactly the same. The only difference here is that Blood Elves decided to conjure mana from other sources to stay alive and High Elves continue to suck their beloved Human partners' mana.
In the game, Nigtbornes and Night Elves have completely different looks. Their skeleton, how they aged, some of their animations are different. But Blood Elves and High Elves are exactly the same. The only difference will be is that Blood Elves will have green and yellow eye colors and High Elves will get a blue eye color. What a f*ckin change.
Nightbornes have their own city and with that a huge population in the game. They are strong and capable of fast reproduce. High Elves have less than 2000 members, they don't have their own city, they are living as refugees in other cities, most of them are stuck with their Human partners and they are unable to reproduce as fast as other Elf races so it is very rare for them to have children.
Should I write some more though? Yeah, Nightbornes are sooooooo Night Elves... Justice for pro High Elfers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Loove the comments on that discussion. It shows how spoiled and ignorant those people who cry about High Elves lol. People who against this idea show proof after proof but they got answers like; It could happen! They are not the same! But but but PANDAS. LOL
Especially like this comment. Some people insist how we should get High Elves because you know Mag'har Orcs!!!!!!!!
When people say "they could be given unique customization options like scars and tatoos/paint" - I always think "but why wouldn't blood elves also have those exact same customization options". I mean - Sylvanas and Lorthremar were elven rangers too - why can't they look like Alleria? There isn't really a lore reason for them to look different (sans eye color, obviously). The people who will say "oh they were in Dalaran so they developed new features" - so was Kael'thas. He didn't look unique. Or "oh they spent more time with humans/cross-bred" - Alleria/Valeera/Sylvanas "spent" time with humans. They don't look different. High elves are just a faction of Thalassian elves that aligned different politically. Any customization (sans eye color) they would have would also logically belong to the blood elves. This is why they made void elves (poorly, obviously). Void elves are visibly distinct enough to not blur faction lines.
Also. Drinking demon blood resulting in having a Blood Curse > draining magic out of some demons. They're not the same thing. If you need concrete evidence : Blood Elves didn't have their skin turn colors during their demon draining phase. Had they been exposed to higher levels of fel energy, I'm sure we'd have some green blood elves just like the orcs. Oh wait. We did. In the Sunwell raid. And when exposed to ample void - lo' and behold - they turned purple. So the Mag'har/Generic Orc example is poor.
Here's Taliesin with a response video to last week's Q&A, where he reiterates his stance on High Elves, and where once again he's absolutely correct about everything he says: there's no good reason not to have them as an Allied Race and Blizzard should just admit they don't want them in the game instead of coming up with ridiculous excuses as to why they aren't eligible; excuses that inevitably piss off everyone who's been asking for High Elves for the last ten years and are now instead staring at Void Elves with a big WTF expression on their faces:
I guess it shouldn't have been a surprise to those who have been paying attention all this time (I wasn't one of them), since he's been saying all along that BEs were essentially HEs. I personally dont care about no HEs for alliance, but I agree with Tali that the reason blizzard gives doesn't justify it. Their reasoning essentially puts into question all the other allied races tbh, Nightborne/HM Tauren/VEs in particular. I mean the only real difference between NB and NE is that they can't flip and they are arrogant.
I keep telling myself that I won't write on this post and keep arguing with people who has no clue about the lore but I can't help myself after a post like this. Did you seriously mean that Nightbornes and Night Elves are the same race? Holy shit...
More than 10000 years have passed since Nightbornes and Night Elves separated. And on the other hand, only 13 years have passed since High Elves betray Blood Elves and decided to follow the Alliance.
Nightbornes and Night Elves have completely different cultures, history, power sources, beliefs, society and looks. Again, on the other hand, High Elves and Blood Elves are exactly the same. The only difference here is that Blood Elves decided to conjure mana from other sources to stay alive and High Elves continue to suck their beloved Human partners' mana.
In the game, Nigtbornes and Night Elves have completely different looks. Their skeleton, how they aged, some of their animations are different. But Blood Elves and High Elves are exactly the same. The only difference will be is that Blood Elves will have green and yellow eye colors and High Elves will get a blue eye color. What a f*ckin change.
Nightbornes have their own city and with that a huge population in the game. They are strong and capable of fast reproduce. High Elves have less than 2000 members, they don't have their own city, they are living as refugees in other cities, most of them are stuck with their Human partners and they are unable to reproduce as fast as other Elf races so it is very rare for them to have children.
Should I write some more though? Yeah, Nightbornes are sooooooo Night Elves... Justice for pro High Elfers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A posture tweak means they have completely different skeletal structures now? Good to know I guess. My post mentioned nothing about lore reasons as to why things weren't implemented but thank you for elaborating. Blizzard's explanation as to why High Elves will not be added to the alliance is purely a cosmetic reason, nothing based on lore or structure integrity. Sure, Nightborne actually sound different but that was always in the game just like worgen human voices were always in the game, so it did nothing when they gave worgens the appearance change ability even though they cannot maintain it in battle. As I said before, I see no problem with them added or not adding certain raises, but at least be more transparent as to why otherwise you just result in a can of worms as to why some exists and why some do not with that logic.
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People literally cry about another Blood Elf race with blue eyes. I can understand the official forums. Even in the forums if you look at the main topic about this issue, you will see %70-80 of the players are against this idea. Most of the posts are spams of 3-4 people in general. One of my 2 main characters is a Dranei paladin. And I play on the Argent Dawn which is the most popular rp realm in the EU server. It is already hard to keep this server as an rp realm because every new expansion hundreds of new or returning players who doesn't even care about rp jump in. It is one of the most populated alliance realms in the game which is why it is expected. With the High Elf allied race I can't even imagine how many kids who just wanna play high elves will join in this realm and we will have to deal with them. I don't wanna see 123532145321 High Elves in my realm just because they are the new kids on the block.
And yes I care about the lore. You can say as much as you want that they can stretch the lore and make this happen. I don't want that. And it won't happen so I'm glad. If you want an evidence other than Ion's words, just read the Chronicles. You can find as much as you want in them.
With the faction change option, there really isn't an excuse other than "we can peel more money from players."
The new reality of monetization.
EDIT- not only that, but they could've used the opportunity to create quality quest content to explain why there would be defectors. Instead, they offer the faction change in the most unimmersive way possible, because it was easier and could make a quick extra buck from the player. For a game that's one of the most profitable titles ever released, that's lame.
When i look around people are running around BLIND to the entire game's structure,the ONLY thing they care about is looking for markers over npc heads so they can do an errand to get xp,NOTHING else matters.
Then after they get to max level or a bit sooner it is time to get loot,again RACE/LORE none of it matters.Find a different pet..doesn't matter,they are all treated basically the same.
Zones have been turned into scaling levels,forget the lore forget the mobs having any meaning,they are now just a number on the errand list.
Blizzard.the business that knows how to turn shallow gaming into even worse shallow gaming but hey we have pvp and LEVELS !!! and player RANKINGS !!.
Here you want a rank 1 i'll give it to you >>>you are #1,there no need to give blizzard any money.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
When you start adding things like Pokemon pet battles lore has kind of taken a backseat.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Everything they have said that will never happen has happened. You just have to wait until the subscriptions are dipping low for them and all of a sudden anything is possible.
Just one last word about Void Elves. I said this on my first post here too. High Elves already got their own lore and history. Because of that history and the reality you faced in the game they are not considered as an allied race. That's why Blizzard straight up said that High Elves are the Blood Elves in the game. End of story. But it is different with Void Elves. They are new. They don't have a specific lore other than their small questline and Blizzard can do whatever they want with them in the future. They can create their lore and reasoning for becoming an allied race with the upcoming patches and the expansion. For example, in the Battle of Lordaeron scenario, after Jaina arrives at the battleground, Alleria and other Void Elves arrived and changed the course of war. Even in that scenario Blizzard specifically displayed them as an ally of the Alliance and they are big enough to affect the course of the war.
We don't know how they will be included in the lore of upcoming expansion. But we know one thing. Void will be the main thing that we will deal in the future. So Blizzard can easily use Void Elves for this reason and blend them into the lore easily if they want to. I don't think Void Elves are created just to shut alliance nerds up about High Elves. That's why even though I find Void Elves weird I think they are much MUCH more reasonable then High Elves.
Our greatest glory is not in never falling but in rising everytime we fall.
But NOTHING. Simply nothing of importance in BfA. Just same old crap, yet again milked for a further 2 years. Damn, people actually get excited about a damn race or something, as if playing as some humanoid fox will make the game better - no it won't - although you might be into some kinky furry shit, yeah I suspect you of that.
To make things worse there's no new MMO on the market, no MMO is good/successful, even normal RPGs are shit, it's all about Fortnite and kids and Drake and Ninja's hair color and fucking hell, it's an awful time to be a MMORPG lover.
Read the arguments between pro high elfers and people who oppose them like me.
I respect your opinions about a lot of things on this forum and I don't think you are a bad person at all. But you are one of the few people on this forum that I hate arguing so I won't answer to your posts on this matter anymore. So please stop assuming things about me. Because I will have to answer that way. Even I put 3214321 more evidence here, you will still continue to deny the facts like you did before with the solo vanilla dungeon argument. I'm tired. At least pro high elf community in mmo champion and reddit are worth arguing because they can come up with some solid points that I can argue about. Not something like "But... Pandaren..." Come on dude...
MOP was one of the best expansions of Wow, so this sounds good for me. :-)
More than 10000 years have passed since Nightbornes and Night Elves separated. And on the other hand, only 13 years have passed since High Elves betray Blood Elves and decided to follow the Alliance.
Nightbornes and Night Elves have completely different cultures, history, power sources, beliefs, society and looks. Again, on the other hand, High Elves and Blood Elves are exactly the same. The only difference here is that Blood Elves decided to conjure mana from other sources to stay alive and High Elves continue to suck their beloved Human partners' mana.
In the game, Nigtbornes and Night Elves have completely different looks. Their skeleton, how they aged, some of their animations are different. But Blood Elves and High Elves are exactly the same. The only difference will be is that Blood Elves will have green and yellow eye colors and High Elves will get a blue eye color. What a f*ckin change.
Nightbornes have their own city and with that a huge population in the game. They are strong and capable of fast reproduce. High Elves have less than 2000 members, they don't have their own city, they are living as refugees in other cities, most of them are stuck with their Human partners and they are unable to reproduce as fast as other Elf races so it is very rare for them to have children.
Should I write some more though? Yeah, Nightbornes are sooooooo Night Elves... Justice for pro High Elfers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially like this comment. Some people insist how we should get High Elves because you know Mag'har Orcs!!!!!!!!
When people say "they could be given unique customization options like scars and tatoos/paint" - I always think "but why wouldn't blood elves also have those exact same customization options". I mean - Sylvanas and Lorthremar were elven rangers too - why can't they look like Alleria? There isn't really a lore reason for them to look different (sans eye color, obviously). The people who will say "oh they were in Dalaran so they developed new features" - so was Kael'thas. He didn't look unique. Or "oh they spent more time with humans/cross-bred" - Alleria/Valeera/Sylvanas "spent" time with humans. They don't look different. High elves are just a faction of Thalassian elves that aligned different politically. Any customization (sans eye color) they would have would also logically belong to the blood elves.
This is why they made void elves (poorly, obviously). Void elves are visibly distinct enough to not blur faction lines.
Also. Drinking demon blood resulting in having a Blood Curse > draining magic out of some demons.
They're not the same thing. If you need concrete evidence : Blood Elves didn't have their skin turn colors during their demon draining phase. Had they been exposed to higher levels of fel energy, I'm sure we'd have some green blood elves just like the orcs.
Oh wait. We did. In the Sunwell raid. And when exposed to ample void - lo' and behold - they turned purple.
So the Mag'har/Generic Orc example is poor.
Locked Flying with achievements.