Ban Team speak or give it to all of us.

Rufius · April 2006

Team speak is the new cheat in online game that is widely ignored. I play WoW and noticed a very strange thing happen in a BG we had the game rapped up only 80 supplies left to win and miraculously the horde makes a comeback from 900 supplies. Team speak is the way people communicate between forces or factions. All a person has to do is look at the map and know where the weakness is in BG and, take advantage of it.

noname12345 · April 2006

They can't ban team speak. It's a 3rd party program. Its not unfair either. Notice the title of your game you're playing World of Warcraft. Its war, you can't make excuses. Don't get mad get even.

Phoenixs · April 2006

I think it's called tactics. And it's not cheating

Rufius · April 2006

YOu just made yourself look dumb. In war do you want people to know your weakness?

Horde playe with TS + Alliance player with TS = Cross faction communication.

Spathotan · April 2006

What he means is apparently there was a "mole" on the alliance side and just told the horde wtf was going on.

Phoenixs · April 2006

Originally posted by Rufius

YOu just made yourself look dumb. In war do you want people to know your weakness?
Horde playe with TS + Alliance player with TS = Cross faction communication.

Originally posted by Spathotan
What he means is apparently there was a "mole" on the alliance side and just told the horde wtf was going on.

Usually Ts is used withing the guilds. Raids and pvp groups. It's rarely used by "moles". The most common way of cheating in the bg's, in my experience, is fixing. Alliance team wins this round, Horde wins next. Infact I a mole isn't of much use in like Arathi Basin. Because the battlegrounds are so small that you can basicly see any movement the enemy makes.

Rufius · April 2006

Nevermind, this'll take care of those retarded TS'ers.

http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2006/04/massive_battleg_1.php

Seelendieb · April 2006

Originally posted by Rufius

Team speak is the new cheat in online game that is widely ignored. I play WoW and noticed a very strange thing happen in a BG we had the game rapped up only 80 supplies left to win and miraculously the horde makes a comeback from 900 supplies. Team speak is the way people communicate between forces or factions. All a person has to do is look at the map and know where the weakness is in BG and, take advantage of it.

rofl.....
you know the funny thing is, that in another topic (girls and mmorpg) I got flamed as I said that there are NOT 40% girls on teamspeak..... heck I even didnt had the right to ask them to go on teamspeak.
I got flamed for being a sexist to ask them to get on teamspeak.

I dont know what BG is, since I never played WoW, but let me tell you, teamspeak is not a cheat nor would I put it under a third party programm , it is just another form to communicate without hitting the keyboard and if you can not afford a teamspeak headset or your guild doesnt has a server, than just shut up. Your topic thread is sooooooooooooo socialistic!!!!!!.

KariTR · April 2006

Are ingame PM's between different faction members barred in WoW?

If they are then the moles use of TS was a form of cheating (circumnavigating the game engine prohibitions) but TS itself isnt the cheat: he could have used MSN chat, Ventrilo etc.

Ive never played WoW but I suspect that any player can PM any other in game, meaning the info the mole relayed could just have easily been typed to the enemy faction. Couldnt it?

*Shrugs* One persons cheat is another persons tactic I suppose.

EDIT: I nearly forgot the crucial part "give it to us all". TS is a free program, as is Ventrilo. If you cant be bothered to dl and set up your own voice comms server you can either a) pay for someone to host a server for you, or b) find one of the literally 1000's of free to use public gaming servers out there.

Rufius · April 2006

Nope you can't PM the horde on an alliance toon.

KariTR · April 2006

Originally posted by Rufius

Nope you can't PM the horde on an alliance toon.

Im not sure what the point of that was, whether its a game design or simply a matter of efficiency. If its the former then its impossible to police - families playing, internet cafe gaming etc. You cant stop people from talking to each other whilst playing a game.

I agree that those who use TS have an advantage over those that dont - that really goes for any game unless youre role-playing, in which case voice comms is an obvious killer - but I dont think the use of TS itself is cheating and as pointed out, as it functions seperately and outside of the game it isnt in Blizzards power to ban it.

I hope you read my edit. You can get TS here and Ventrilo there. Enjoy!

Seelendieb · April 2006

Originally posted by KariTR

unless youre role-playing, in which case voice comms is an obvious killer

No, Voice scomms are not a killer. If you ever played a pen and paper rpg, which been out before a PC even got invented bzw. rediscovered, than you know that people communicated to each other by voice and not by writting.

digitydarkman · April 2006

Teamspeak = Ghosting

Boozbaz · April 2006

Originally posted by Phoenixs
I think it's called tactics. And it's not cheating

Yes, it's not cheating.

KariTR · April 2006

Originally posted by Seelendieb

Originally posted by KariTR

unless youre role-playing, in which case voice comms is an obvious killer

No, Voice scomms are not a killer. If you ever played a pen and paper rpg, which been out before a PC even got invented bzw. rediscovered, than you know that people communicated to each other by voice and not by writting.

Thursday is my PnP night; been playing table-top for 12 years.

Talking in character to someone sitting across from you in the same room is not the same as using voice comms to roleplay with someone on the other side of the world. More power to you though if youre with a group who manage to do it effectively. Ive personally never found one.

And yes I agree. Roleplay games have been around since ancient times so Im almost positive they were around before the first home computers that came on the market in the 1960's.

Spathotan · April 2006

Originally posted by KariTR
Roleplay games have been around since ancient times so Im almost positive they were around before the first home computers that came on the market in the 1960's.

DnD has been around since the 70's at LEAST, I think Warhammer has been around just as long, so yea roleplaying is nothing new, just the method of it has changed.

KariTR · April 2006

Originally posted by Spathotan

Originally posted by KariTR
Roleplay games have been around since ancient times so Im almost positive they were around before the first home computers that came on the market in the 1960's.

DnD has been around since the 70's at LEAST, I think Warhammer has been around just as long, so yea roleplaying is nothing new, just the method of it has changed.

First published in 1974 I believe....home computers are a little older, but were considered just as geeky

Edit: I didnt mean the 1970's when I said ancient times either....cheeky!

JelloB2000 · April 2006

Im surprised no one has posted "Ban phones too!" (until now)

SonOfAGhost · April 2006

"or give it to all of us"

Ummm, it IS given to everyone, just go to their website and download it. Mics/headsets are close enought to free as well these days so the only people that don't have teamspeak/ventrilo are those that either A) don't want it for whatever reason (fair enough, to each their own) or

are too stupid. Judging by the body and poll in the OP I'm going to guess you're not part of group 'A'. VOIP programs are no more of a cheat than 2 people playing in the same room. Are you suggesting that all roomates/families that game together should be banned?

Gideon · April 2006

Originally posted by Boozbaz

Originally posted by Phoenixs
I think it's called tactics. And it's not cheating

Yes, it's not cheating.

Agreed.

Neptus · April 2006

Ghosting happens with teamspeak, but with only Counter-Strike.
Guild wars everybody is shown on the map.

But, ghosting doesn't happen in CAL games.

When me and my friends play CS or Guild Wars together, we use PTT or Walkie Talkie features on our Nexel phones.
Just another way to cheat i guess.

KariTR · April 2006

Originally posted by Gideon

Originally posted by Boozbaz

Originally posted by Phoenixs
I think it's called tactics. And it's not cheating

Yes, it's not cheating.

Agreed.

I think this topic should have been posted on the WoW forum.

But anyway, is it only me but does anyone else think it odd that Blizzard have given no means for opposing faction characters to communicate in game, ignoring the fact that people dont play games in a bubble and will communicate via other means outside of game?

I understand where the OP is coming from, though I feel his frustration should be directed at the game designers for leaving such a gaping hole in the game design.

Bloodgaze · April 2006

reply to Rufius - no offence but you are a very sad and lame person. TS is an awesome tool. my guild uses it all the time in guild wars for guild vs guild battles. you are sooo lame, for your poll you dont even give a choice but your sad excuses for answers. because of that i refuse to even vote on such an assinine thing. if ppl are going to cheat dont blame the god damn system they use. blame the ppl. gonna ban msn, phone, walkie talkie, aim too? cause you dont want ppl talking while there playing a game, they might find a way to cheat. here let me make it easy for you.

modjoe86 · April 2006

This reminds me of when Ventrilo was discovered in CS. People whined if they suspect people of venting in scrims...then people realized it was legit and stupid to gripe about, and everyone uses vent now.
I guess MMOers aren't used to using more efficient means of communication yet.

mister_GuS · April 2006

hmmm... this is not CSS where u can GHOST for someone

this is an MMORPG and voice com is just as said earlier a WAR TACTIC!

so stop complaining and get urself a guild that uses TS or VENT

mister_GuS · April 2006

Originally posted by modjoe86
This reminds me of when Ventrilo was discovered in CS. People whined if they suspect people of venting in scrims...then people realized it was legit and stupid to gripe about, and everyone uses vent now.
I guess MMOers aren't used to using more efficient means of communication yet.

if there is one thing i have realised in this world

is that MMORPGers are COMPLETE n00bs when it comes to 3rd party programs
or ANY other game that isnt what they play

believe it or not i got a friend from school who is DIE HARD WoW gamer
and he doesnt know what COUNTER STRIKE IS!!!! wtf

but i got him to buy it

tooooooo bad he has like intergrate GFX card

it runs like at 5fps per sec

but his WoW runs at 2 fps persec its impossible to play

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