I despise cash shops period. They are the antithesis of fun game play. Instead of focusing on content and mechanics that are enjoyable, they focus on pushing addiction, gambling and impulse buying buttons through proven psychological manipulation. I might be interested in playing "Bless Online", but I certainly am not interested in playing "Ebay Online". Thank goodness I have Pantheon to look forward to. It may very well be my last MMO as it seems to be the only upcoming game that isn't interested in implementing a cash shop and designing the game around it.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
This is how cash and dash games are possible. A bunch of these developers and publishers build their business model around creating something baseline playable, baseline legal, and woefully unethical to players. They send out a pool of "don't be a negative nancy" interns to forums, and cross fingers that they can get an initial swell of players that first month and enough marks to stay on so they can provide contrived fiscal reports.
All it does for the players is lowers the bar until we have no good games. We'll just have a bunch of try and fails and forums to talk about it. So no, it's not OK to try a game for what it is when you're paying an up front cost and fees. Be skeptical, be rigid, and be super hard on the developers, make them sad and stressed out. This way, when they make actual good games that make us happy they'll get the kings ransom when they actually deserve it. It will encourage others to follow suit.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
There's nothing wrong with doing it that way either. I don't have infinite amounts of money, I've made mistakes in games I've bought. Since this game is B2P and that thus far the subscription is optional and the cash shop is "convenience" items, I don't feel that the gamble is too terrible here.
But like with anything if you have no expectations you can't get disappointed. I'm not saying everyone should buy it, but I'm saying if you plan on buying it, it's fine to play it for however long it continues to be fun.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
and the cash shop is "convenience" items, I don't feel that the gamble is too terrible here.
You assume it's just convenience though. If Neowiz had a good reputation like CDProjectkRed or GrindingGearGames, i could accept people taking them at their word. But...that's not the reality of the situation. They have no good reputation to take them at their word that the cash shop will just be convenience items. I feel that its a pretty big gamble to buy in before knowing specifically what's in the cash shop.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
and the cash shop is "convenience" items, I don't feel that the gamble is too terrible here.
You assume it's just convenience though. If Neowiz had a good reputation like CDProjectkRed or GrindingGearGames, i could accept people taking them at their word. But...that's not the reality of the situation. They have no good reputation to take them at their word that the cash shop will just be convenience items. I feel that its a pretty big gamble to buy in before knowing specifically what's in the cash shop.
I have a feeling we're going to hear a lot more about the cash shop before the soft release. Since it was absent in the press event and one of the most asked about things, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw information on it pretty soon.
"I will say this however ( as I did before ) : The first time they will add P2W items in the cash shop, will be my last day in Bless. I will never support a game with P2W elements, no matter how good is it." -Iceage
So you gonna still play?
Wow, the ignorance in you is HIGH , LOL.
Possible Did you intentionally not seeing that? Possible came from the very guy who wrote this article, and not from the dev's. Geezes Kano , hate more pl0x
PS: And I said P2W Elements. Leveling boosts are not P2W elements. But you already knew that , don't you?
I believe...getting an advantage, for spending money, is P2W.
The severity is a different topic. Leveling faster is usually considered on the gray side, and okay for P2W aspects.
Versus stat boosts, armor upgrades, etc which are not considered okay.
So lets see here; if you sub to a game and they give subs skins or XP boost and may be a pet or two is getting an advantage that make the game P2W. uhmm?
Well lets look at this this way! Person "A" and "B" both work at the same place and there is a parking lot that they both use down the block, The parking lot has 2 ways to you can use their parking.
One is pay a monthly membership and with that you get a covered parking spot and a discount.
The other way is pay as you go and with that you get any parking spot you can find in the north 40.
Person "A" is a member so they never have to worry about finding a spot because they have their own under cover.
Person "B" is always mad at person "A" because they have to drive around looking for a spot and then walk in the weather. Person "B" is so pissed about it that they tell all their friend and people that they meet "Man don't use that parking lot!!! They give members an advantage just because they pay a monthly membership fee!!!",,,, "Doesn't that just SUCK"!!!!
I really do wish that everyone would just grow up and realize that if you pay for a sub, prime, or a membership fee you are going to get something the others do not get!!! It is the fact of life!!! As the old saying go BS walks MONEY talks!!
Now dont get me wrong if there are stat boost, or end game gear or anything that adds you your over all DPS ability then yes that is pay to win!
But to say that getting a skin or XP boost or anything that someone could call an advantage P2W is really just silly!
That's like being pissed off at someone because they are a amazon prime member "which by the way get quite a few advantages"
So come on everyone call P2W what it really is and if you dont want to pay a sub, or buy anything out of the cash shop well ok then,,,, no worries,,,,, be happy!!!
Just play and enjoy!! Life is full off BS,,, we game to be free of it!!!
Exp boost equals pay to win? Lmao you people are funny. There is a level cap of 45!? Hardcore gamers will hit it in no time without boosts. Those boost are meant for people who live outside of mmos. Raise your god damn standards .
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
lol like i said...the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activities and those of us who don't.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
lol like i said...the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activities and those of us who don't.
I'm spending $1k on my other hobby this year but half of the budget goes for a trip to play national championship. I only spend around $300-$400 per years on games but that's still enough to play all the games I want to play, just not immediately at launch.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
lol like i said...the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activities and those of us who don't.
I do buy about 2 to 3 games a month and then PSPlus, Humble Monthly, a Sub ( sometimes 2), stuff like that. It might be excessive to you, I've seen people spending way, way more. Excessive is what I would call a 500 dollar Star Citizen ship for instance, or several thousands on one Kickstarter project or six subs on one game (looking at some EVE players around here).
And don't be mistaken, i know very well what I am spending my money on and whether or not I find it worth it. I also know very well that finding something worth it is VERY subjective. A good example is my Sega Saturn collection I recently sold for 2,5k. It was worth it to me for about 10 years, then I got 2 kids, less space and less time and I decided that it wasn't worth it any longer and got rid of it.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Exp boost equals pay to win? Lmao you people are funny. There is a level cap of 45!? Hardcore gamers will hit it in no time without boosts. Those boost are meant for people who live outside of mmos. Raise your god damn standards .
How about no? How about developers get off their asses and go back to making a full fledged game instead of designing cash shops for a competitive PvP focused shell of a game.
I think that's pretty harsh considering the cash shop for the westernized version hasn't been finalized, and as it stands right now, there are a lot of systems in the game that at least on the surface appear to be a full working game.
The actual amount of people that have played the western iteration are very few, the there were a lot of players at the press play test, not all of them were emissaries, many with good things to say.
It just sounds like a lot of people have made up their minds before the changes have all come into fruition and they even know what is in the cash shop.
If you want to slight every game that has a cash shop, there will be very few games left.
Exp boost equals pay to win? Lmao you people are funny. There is a level cap of 45!? Hardcore gamers will hit it in no time without boosts. Those boost are meant for people who live outside of mmos. Raise your god damn standards .
How about no? How about developers get off their asses and go back to making a full fledged game instead of designing cash shops for a competitive PvP focused shell of a game.
I think that's pretty harsh considering the cash shop for the westernized version hasn't been finalized, and as it stands right now, there are a lot of systems in the game that at least on the surface appear to be a full working game.
The actual amount of people that have played the western iteration are very few, the there were a lot of players at the press play test, not all of them were emissaries, many with good things to say.
It just sounds like a lot of people have made up their minds before the changes have all come into fruition and they even know what is in the cash shop.
If you want to slight every game that has a cash shop, there will be very few games left.
Problem is, I have never seen a PvP focused MMO with a cash shop NOT have items for sale that gave advantages to players who spent money. The whole point of a PvP game is to establish a fair playing field, which is impossible in such an environment. The only thing Bless has in it's defense is if a casual player can reach level 45 within a reasonable time frame. Something tells me this is not going to be the case, because then XP boosts would be absolutely pointless. If however, the majority of players who play at launch all reach level cap within a week or less, thus making XP boosts pointless, than Bless will go on to live a long and luxurious life I'm sure.
Just because we havent' seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not saying Bless will or won't have advantage based items. We can take their word at face value that there won't be any pay 2 win items, or we can choose not to believe it, but in the end, nobody will really know for sure until the cash shop goes live and we see what is actually in there.
Then again, it might also matter on the PvP front if the areas where under leveled players are happen to be really tough for max level players to get to as well. Or we may see that under leveled players might be completely unflagged for PvP unless they want to?
Since Bless is meant to cater to more than just a PvP crowd as per what they mentioned in the press event, I do hope they take that to heart and prioritize making a good PvE game, but I'm at a loss to know how exactly they will do that, if they will do that.
Neowiz has another game on steam called Black Squad, It's a free to play FPS game and apparently that's not pay 2 win, But it seems the game has a problem with people cheating.
I'm just going to wait until the game comes out, I don't see the point in speculating stuff.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
lol like i said...the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activities and those of us who don't.
I do buy about 2 to 3 games a month and then PSPlus, Humble Monthly, a Sub ( sometimes 2), stuff like that. It might be excessive to you, I've seen people spending way, way more. Excessive is what I would call a 500 dollar Star Citizen ship for instance, or several thousands on one Kickstarter project or six subs on one game (looking at some EVE players around here).
And don't be mistaken, i know very well what I am spending my money on and whether or not I find it worth it. I also know very well that finding something worth it is VERY subjective. A good example is my Sega Saturn collection I recently sold for 2,5k. It was worth it to me for about 10 years, then I got 2 kids, less space and less time and I decided that it wasn't worth it any longer and got rid of it.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Your posts echo my situation closely. We're a family of 4 with PCs and PlayStation and Nintendo. We probably spend $150 - $200 per month on subs, PS+, games, cash, etc. That doesn't include hardware upgrades or platform purchases.
I don't consider $2k - $3k per year excessive for recreation. My friends hunt, fish, boat, race dirt track, and do RV camping. That stuff is expensive, not to mention my friends that party at the pub every weekend. Our entertainment is cheap.
In the meantime your fun hobby is nothing more than a punching bag for those who lack common senses.
Neowiz has another game on steam called Black Squad, It's a free to play FPS game and apparently that's not pay 2 win, But it seems the game has a problem with people cheating.
I'm just going to wait until the game comes out, I don't see the point in speculating stuff.
Cheating is sadly a thing more easily accessible now. They even feel obligated to play the same games we do as it has become a Privacy issue and invasive when they are caught.
What matters more to me than P2W is less about advantages and more about playability and how much a free player is going to FEEL the fact they are a free player. If a free player can progress with hard work and not much tedium or inconvenience, just at a slower rate that's fine to me. If a free player feels gimped around every corner, then that is when I get up in arms about monetization. Archeage you felt it every second due to no labor points, no inventory room, no ability to claim land, no regrade stones.
If I can get everything a paying can through in-game means that's great. I DO NOT consider buying a cash shop item with gold from another player IN-GAME, that's a p2w gimmick and it's terrible for the health of a game in general. But if I can run a dungeon a bunch of times, or grind some mobs for rare drops that paying players get on the cash shop, I'm cool with it, so long as they are reasonable to acquire.
Now Playing: Bless / Summoners War Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
So during the PRESS play test,they made sure to have the cash shop empty and you believe what they are telling you? haha.
The PRESS knows that if they don't play NICE they don't get anymore calls from the developers,a really sad reality for gamer's who want ACCURATE game news and reviews not biased or partnered ones.
It is like your neighbor invites you over for super then asks.."how was the food"your not going to give them a truthful answer,you will say,oh it was pretty good or some bullshit.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So during the PRESS play test,they made sure to have the cash shop empty and you believe what they are telling you? haha.
The PRESS knows that if they don't play NICE they don't get anymore calls from the developers,a really sad reality for gamer's who want ACCURATE game news and reviews not biased or partnered ones.
It is like your neighbor invites you over for super then asks.."how was the food"your not going to give them a truthful answer,you will say,oh it was pretty good or some bullshit.
Actually, it's not like that all. If you are a good cook you would resonate with the dish and tell your neighbor how much you actually enjoy making it yourself. Invite them over and you nail it! Disclaimer: they may want to come over more often.
I don't want to board the hype train for this game, but it does sorta get some hopes up.
I wouldn't say that you should get on a hype train for this necessarily, but if you go into it without a ton of expectations, I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Hmmm. Maybe this is just the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activites? I have never had money to the point I could go pick out a random rpg and just try it out and stop playing it when i realized i didn't like it. That would be a monumental waste of money in my eyes because I know I'd only be able to justify buying 1-2 games a month.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
If the game updates through its own launcher when started through Steam this time WILL count towards the 2 hours of gameplay, just be aware of this.
And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
I'm curious on how you manage to spend $2k a year on games. Even if you bought everything for full price that would be more than 30 games per year.
lol like i said...the difference between people having an excessive amount of money to spend on recreational activities and those of us who don't.
I do buy about 2 to 3 games a month and then PSPlus, Humble Monthly, a Sub ( sometimes 2), stuff like that. It might be excessive to you, I've seen people spending way, way more. Excessive is what I would call a 500 dollar Star Citizen ship for instance, or several thousands on one Kickstarter project or six subs on one game (looking at some EVE players around here).
And don't be mistaken, i know very well what I am spending my money on and whether or not I find it worth it. I also know very well that finding something worth it is VERY subjective. A good example is my Sega Saturn collection I recently sold for 2,5k. It was worth it to me for about 10 years, then I got 2 kids, less space and less time and I decided that it wasn't worth it any longer and got rid of it.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Your posts echo my situation closely. We're a family of 4 with PCs and PlayStation and Nintendo. We probably spend $150 - $200 per month on subs, PS+, games, cash, etc. That doesn't include hardware upgrades or platform purchases.
I don't consider $2k - $3k per year excessive for recreation. My friends hunt, fish, boat, race dirt track, and do RV camping. That stuff is expensive, not to mention my friends that party at the pub every weekend. Our entertainment is cheap.
When i used the word excessive, i wasn't meaning to say "it's too much". No one can tell someone else "you're spending too much on x". I just meant when you have an abundance of extra finances so as to be able to easily afford 2-3k per year on video games.
Also you're not really just spending 2-3k per year on recreation, you're spending 2-3k on video games. You also are likely to go see a movie here and there with the family, that's recreation. Maybe an amusement park or golfing/etc throughout the year. So your total recreation amount a year is probably closer to 7-8k if you're spending 2-3k alone on video games.
When you have that much money where spending that much on recreation doesn't cripple you(or even tickle your bank) it changes how you view spending money. It's just a fact. Someone who has that much money won't worry as much when it comes to spending money because they don't have to stretch their money nearly as much as someone who makes a fraction of them.
That's what i meant by difference between someone who has an excessive amount of money to spend on recreation versus those that don't.
So during the PRESS play test,they made sure to have the cash shop empty and you believe what they are telling you? haha.
The PRESS knows that if they don't play NICE they don't get anymore calls from the developers,a really sad reality for gamer's who want ACCURATE game news and reviews not biased or partnered ones.
It is like your neighbor invites you over for super then asks.."how was the food"your not going to give them a truthful answer,you will say,oh it was pretty good or some bullshit.
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I think a lot of people refuse to go into games with open minds these days.
Sometimes it's okay just to try a game for what it is, and stop playing it when it's no longer fun.
Because I didn't have hundreds to drop on games whenever something shiny caught my fancy, i'd be a lot more skeptical and wait until more information was out and saw reviews/game footage. That way, i could rather certain that a i'd be able to fully enjoy a game that i bought for a long time.
I remember loving blockbuster so much because it let me play to my hearts content and even if i rented a game i thought was gonna be cool but turned out crap, i wasn't out 50 bucks and it was fine, i could return it and get another. But Bless though..sure Steam has the refund policy but that's only good for 2 hours of gameplay if i'm not mistaken and 2 hours isn't enough time to find out if an MMORPG is going to be good or not. (Well, i guess it's enough time to get a look at the cash shop and bounce if it had things an individual deemed as p2w)
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All it does for the players is lowers the bar until we have no good games. We'll just have a bunch of try and fails and forums to talk about it. So no, it's not OK to try a game for what it is when you're paying an up front cost and fees. Be skeptical, be rigid, and be super hard on the developers, make them sad and stressed out. This way, when they make actual good games that make us happy they'll get the kings ransom when they actually deserve it. It will encourage others to follow suit.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But like with anything if you have no expectations you can't get disappointed. I'm not saying everyone should buy it, but I'm saying if you plan on buying it, it's fine to play it for however long it continues to be fun.
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And never spend frivolously, no matter the budget. I spend about 2k a year on gaming, excluding hardware, but I almost always know what I am getting. Except for the 150 bucks AA package, that only sounded amazing on paper....
As for Bless, I don't mind spending 70 bucks if it gives me 3 months of entertainment, most games don't last me that long.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
So lets see here; if you sub to a game and they give subs skins or XP boost and may be a pet or two is getting an advantage that make the game P2W. uhmm?
Well lets look at this this way! Person "A" and "B" both work at the same place and there is a parking lot that they both use down the block, The parking lot has 2 ways to you can use their parking.
One is pay a monthly membership and with that you get a covered parking spot and a discount.
The other way is pay as you go and with that you get any parking spot you can find in the north 40.
Person "A" is a member so they never have to worry about finding a spot because they have their own under cover.
Person "B" is always mad at person "A" because they have to drive around looking for a spot and then walk in the weather. Person "B" is so pissed about it that they tell all their friend and people that they meet "Man don't use that parking lot!!! They give members an advantage just because they pay a monthly membership fee!!!",,,, "Doesn't that just SUCK"!!!!
I really do wish that everyone would just grow up and realize that if you pay for a sub, prime, or a membership fee you are going to get something the others do not get!!! It is the fact of life!!! As the old saying go BS walks MONEY talks!!
Now dont get me wrong if there are stat boost, or end game gear or anything that adds you your over all DPS ability then yes that is pay to win!
But to say that getting a skin or XP boost or anything that someone could call an advantage P2W is really just silly!
That's like being pissed off at someone because they are a amazon prime member "which by the way get quite a few advantages"
So come on everyone call P2W what it really is and if you dont want to pay a sub, or buy anything out of the cash shop well ok then,,,, no worries,,,,, be happy!!!
Just play and enjoy!! Life is full off BS,,, we game to be free of it!!!
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And don't be mistaken, i know very well what I am spending my money on and whether or not I find it worth it. I also know very well that finding something worth it is VERY subjective. A good example is my Sega Saturn collection I recently sold for 2,5k. It was worth it to me for about 10 years, then I got 2 kids, less space and less time and I decided that it wasn't worth it any longer and got rid of it.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
The actual amount of people that have played the western iteration are very few, the there were a lot of players at the press play test, not all of them were emissaries, many with good things to say.
It just sounds like a lot of people have made up their minds before the changes have all come into fruition and they even know what is in the cash shop.
If you want to slight every game that has a cash shop, there will be very few games left.
Then again, it might also matter on the PvP front if the areas where under leveled players are happen to be really tough for max level players to get to as well. Or we may see that under leveled players might be completely unflagged for PvP unless they want to?
Since Bless is meant to cater to more than just a PvP crowd as per what they mentioned in the press event, I do hope they take that to heart and prioritize making a good PvE game, but I'm at a loss to know how exactly they will do that, if they will do that.
I'm just going to wait until the game comes out, I don't see the point in speculating stuff.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/550650/Black_Squad/
They even feel obligated to play the same games we do as it has become a Privacy issue and invasive when they are caught.
If I can get everything a paying can through in-game means that's great. I DO NOT consider buying a cash shop item with gold from another player IN-GAME, that's a p2w gimmick and it's terrible for the health of a game in general. But if I can run a dungeon a bunch of times, or grind some mobs for rare drops that paying players get on the cash shop, I'm cool with it, so long as they are reasonable to acquire.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
The PRESS knows that if they don't play NICE they don't get anymore calls from the developers,a really sad reality for gamer's who want ACCURATE game news and reviews not biased or partnered ones.
It is like your neighbor invites you over for super then asks.."how was the food"your not going to give them a truthful answer,you will say,oh it was pretty good or some bullshit.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If you are a good cook you would resonate with the dish and tell your neighbor how much you actually enjoy making it yourself.
Invite them over and you nail it!
Disclaimer: they may want to come over more often.
Also you're not really just spending 2-3k per year on recreation, you're spending 2-3k on video games. You also are likely to go see a movie here and there with the family, that's recreation. Maybe an amusement park or golfing/etc throughout the year. So your total recreation amount a year is probably closer to 7-8k if you're spending 2-3k alone on video games.
When you have that much money where spending that much on recreation doesn't cripple you(or even tickle your bank) it changes how you view spending money. It's just a fact. Someone who has that much money won't worry as much when it comes to spending money because they don't have to stretch their money nearly as much as someone who makes a fraction of them.
That's what i meant by difference between someone who has an excessive amount of money to spend on recreation versus those that don't.
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