this whiny community will find someting to call p2w anyway
The guy that posted right before you already managed that. "Someone will level faster than me! P2W!" Boohoo xD
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2 things i hate:
1. a chance to successfully craft/enchant an item. FUCKING ASIAN GAMES... "please buy our ench stones so the chance is higher and u dont lose all ur enchants or break the whole item..." soooooooo so so fucking dumb system.
I can agree with point #1
The whole RNG upgrade system where item has a miniscule RNG% to succeed upgrade and a huge RNG% to fail upgrade (causing delevling or worse destroying items like BDO and AA used to have before they removed the item destruction) - worst system ever.
Instead of crap RNG upgrade - just make components take a lot more effort.
Just 100% dislike RNG equipment upgrade systems with delevels and item loss - /worst_idea_ever
Yep. I thought Bless wasn't doing deleveling or breaking though. If the enchant fails it just fails. Not a 100% sure on that however.
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MMORPG: With the Buy to Play model there will be a currency conversion, is there a set conversion rate between in game currency and Lumena?
NEOWIZ: The conversion rate is already fixed. Through the “Activity Point - Lumena” exchange system, users can obtain 50 Lumena, which is the maximum number of Lumena that can be obtained in one day. Lumena cannot be exchanged into Activity Points.
Non-paying users can also obtain Activity Points by playing the in-game contents, accumulate them and use the “Activity Point - Lumena” exchange system to purchase items at the Lumena store.
So this means that non Premium players will have the option to exchange Activity Point to Lumena. Now the big question is "what is the exchange rate on that exactly?", and "How much Activity Points can you earn each day?" this they did not tell us ofc.... Anyone that has an idea?
They are not disclosing fully because they don't want players to know yet.
We know that max lumena per day for exchange points = 50
We don't know how much grind/dungeons/crafting that will require.
We also don't know the actual lumena pricing in the cash shop - a full list with all the prices would be nice.
We have to wait til release so that we can calculate
Effort per day needed to get 50 lumena
How much lumena per each cash shop item
Then we can calculate = how much effort is needed to obtain each item vs. Straight up buying lumena packs
You lost all credibility on the last tinfoil hat scenario. You were literally wrong in every way possible with the subscription bonuses. Won't stop you though, I'm sure.
So calculating time investment vs just spending money is tinfoil hat....how?
emm.. what?
Figuring out time investment to convert action points to 50 lumina each day - and then looking at each item cost in the cash shop - you can calculate effort needed to get every cash shop item.
and then you take that vs spending $10 for 1200
You can make a precise calculation on time/money - which IMO is a pretty valuable to break it down so everyone can make an informed decision on whether to spend X time getting action points or just spend Y cash for lumena instead.
And I was wrong in subscription bonuses - lol - I listed japanese bonuses which include 20% boosts just like steam bonuses... please.
Valuable, to know the general amounts of how much you can earn and convert a day, it all just depends on how tough it is to acquire them and what the conversion rate is. If it's 1 to 1 but you get hundreds of action points a day, no biggy, if it's a rough grind for every single one, not worth it. But in the end, you can assume you'll make about 12 - 15 cash currency a month. The rest just boils down what you would want to spend that on.
I hope I don't get (a) flamed or (b) proven horribly wromg, but I think....
...that seems like a pretty fair monetization.
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It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
"no P2W elements except buffs that make you progress and win faster... woops!"
Yeah I guess by that logic, GW2, ESO, and WoW are all p2w.
This is what I was thinking all the reading I have done to get at this point. You, players, surely have played those games before. And are you telling me that the faster paid advance are pay to win? Instant level and converting cash for in-game coin to expend on xp pots. Thats all I have to say (plus WoW has a subscription model ha ha).
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
Haha, I just feel bad that someone such as yourself who derides every positive outlook and comment, attacks people for listing their point of view, and believes themselves to be so in-the-know that they are so high above everyone else will end up playing the game anyways. Seems rather self deprecating to me lol but I guess if that's what you're into, aside from wishing random forum dudes were on your zipper, rock on baby, rock on.
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
Haha, I just feel bad that someone such as yourself who derides every positive outlook and comment, attacks people for listing their point of view, and believes themselves to be so in-the-know that they are so high above everyone else will end up playing the game anyways. Seems rather self deprecating to me lol but I guess if that's what you're into, aside from wishing random forum dudes were on your zipper, rock on baby, rock on.
"I am so much smarter than all of you! This game is obviously P2W and you are defending it! I will be playing it at launch and giving the devs my money! Because I'm smart!" - FlyByKnight
An advise from an avid korean MMORPG player, stay away from this one as far as you can. The money grab in this one is very strong. The game is almost failing in previous released regions, they spent a ton of money in the game already and the game has worst gameplay than gw2 and tera, then they waste more money before they release it on NA.
Gotta recuperate that money somehow, what better than do it with NA.
An advise from an avid korean MMORPG player, stay away from this one as far as you can. The money grab in this one is very strong. The game is almost failing in previous released regions, they spent a ton of money in the game already and the game has worst gameplay than gw2 and tera, then they waste more money before they release it on NA.
Gotta recuperate that money somehow, what better than do it with NA.
Reading about this game and its history, this is my feeling. I think it will fail from what I've seen. The animations are average, the game offers nothing else new or innovative and it has already failed in two other regions.
Now if you want to throw down $40 for 10-100 hours of entertainment, it is still a better deal than almost any other form of entertainment, but do people actually think the game will succeed? And if so, why?
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It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
Here I thought you were doing everyone a favor, the game will certainly fail now.
I'm not used to games having so many different currencies and gotcha features that are impossible to fully get a handle on until you have committed and played.
I read this article which tried its best and I still have zero feel for how this will work in practice.
If I were considering playing this, which I'm not, my confidence level would have gone down several notches.
It's probably just me though since most of you seem to understand it perfectly
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I'm not used to games having so many different currencies and gotcha features that are impossible to fully get a handle on until you have committed and played.
I read this article which tried its best and I still have zero feel for how this will work in practice.
If I were considering playing this, which I'm not, my confidence level would have gone down several notches.
It's probably just me though since most of you seem to understand it perfectly
That uneasy feeling you have is probably because the devs are intentionally leaving out key pieces of information right until the last minute.
You just know there is a good reason for it, but can't put your finger on what it is, but you know it can't be good.
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I can simply point to the so called "convenience buffs".
Well the pet buffs allow to level up faster,guess what,they can buff your pvp so having them level up faster is most definitely pay to win.
If two players play the EXACT same amount of time in the exact same way,the one using the cash shop will end up having higher buffs for pvp,how is that not p2w?
So one player is struggling along with the first tier of pets while the cash shop one is already at legend status and has the best buffs.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
If two players play the EXACT same amount of time in the exact same way,the one using the cash shop will end up having higher buffs for pvp,how is that not p2w?
This is a purely hypothetical situation since no two players will ever play a game the same way, for the same time.
We're you ever to actually meet such a "twin" in game I'm pretty sure the resulting "anti-matter" explosion will have killed off most of us and it won't matter.
Well either that or a very large horn is going to sound in the heavens.....
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"no P2W elements except buffs that make you progress and win faster... woops!"
I would of thought the same if not for the fact I have played JP, levelling up isn't hard and progressing is quite easy, as a matter of fact I feel that the monthly subscription is quite lacking
Was thinking the same... i.e. due to giving 0 premium currency (the 20% extra conversion is barely worth mentioning) it just seems like the $15 would be far better spent in the cash shop (at least early on).
Also, I know they are saying 'no P2W', and it's good to hear there won't be any loot-boxes, but some red-flags for me are:
- If flying mounts are limited then:
-- Even levelling 20% faster (40% with premium + cash shop?) would be an advantage in getting one
-- Better chance of gear upgrade items in cash shop = spend money to get better gear faster = easier to win in PvP = better chance of a flying mount = win?
- Unlimited gathering tools (pickaxe and bag) and extra market slots from premium = better able to earn money = easier time staying stocked with valuable consumables for raids / PvP.
- Premium sub is $15 a month, but doesn't even come close to removing the need to also spend money in the cash shop
- They seem very tight lipped on how much the 'peace' (no-PvP) items will cost
Of course this all depends on how things are balanced, so I guess we will see come launch, but Bless definitely a 'do not touch' until the full details are known.
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
Haha, I just feel bad that someone such as yourself who derides every positive outlook and comment, attacks people for listing their point of view, and believes themselves to be so in-the-know that they are so high above everyone else will end up playing the game anyways. Seems rather self deprecating to me lol but I guess if that's what you're into, aside from wishing random forum dudes were on your zipper, rock on baby, rock on.
"I am so much smarter than all of you! This game is obviously P2W and you are defending it! I will be playing it at launch and giving the devs my money! Because I'm smart!" - FlyByKnight
I've been pretty clear and fair about what I do if/when I feel there is anything unethical or not right with any game. Bless won't be any different.
I make general statements leave out shoes and people like y'all stick your foot in them and make it about you. Instead of getting salty and running down trying to play tit for tat, provide some info that can quell skepticism. I'm fair, I'll thank you for the information and say "that makes me feel better". If you want to play the dozens I can do that too though (when I'm bored of course).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
It's funny. The people who are so flippant about P2W are the same people either aren't playing, or try to shoe horn PVE life into OWPVP games and wear giant Steve Urkel size rose colored glasses while only experiencing 1/4th of the game. I will not apologize for my skepticism as I will actually be playing. I will be blaring all alarms if stuff isn't right.
Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
I don't know what's worse, you professing the game is blatantly P2W and calling people who are okay with this system stupid for thinking it won't be and pretending you're going to play it to empathize (though halfhearted at best).. or saying it's p2w and that people are dumb for being okay with it and then actually playing it too.
The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
Imbecilic response. I'm not professing anything. I'm skeptical and have every right to be. Neowiz isn't some shining snowflake any different than XL Games, or other Korean developers/publishers. They haven't gone out of their way to prove otherwise. They piecemeal information as close to launch as possible, that's a red flag. They use basic indemnification legal language, red flag. The main reason why Bless (and BDO for that matter) get/got traction is because of Archeage exhaustion. People who actually played know what to look for.
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
Here I thought you were doing everyone a favor, the game will certainly fail now.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
1. Peace Pots - It should be pvp all the time. If people can't level or farm in peace or carry out tasks in contested zones then the faction, guild, alliance, or friends need to band together. That's a huge impetus for pvp. Anytime you remove the need to cooperate for safety then you're backstabbing pvp right in the heart. If we're there for pvp then let's do it not find ways to undermine it.
2. Buying Storage - In a B2P game with a sub, I shouldn't have to pay more for storage. It should be in game only and not sold in the store.
3. Box fee + sub doesn't cover everything: Anytime I'm paying a box fee plus a sub and I still have to visit the cash shop I'm unlikely to play very long.
Points 2 and 3 are similar and could be combined. The storage thing is personally annoying enough I'm mentioning it separately. The point is don't over-monetize the game. Online games and MMOs are horrible about doing this and I think they pay for it in the long run.
So, we'll see. Now that we've done the "sex ed" discussion I hope we can move on to more interesting systems-centric topics.
What most players dont realize - peace pots dont work everywhere.
There is a popular high level PvP open area where peace pots dont work.
Also if you mistakenly use a peace pot before going into a dungeon - nobody will be able to heal you, because not even healling spells can be used on a player under a peace dove effect
Did they have peace pots in the other versions as well or is it an NA release exclusive?
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Has it been confirmed whether items purchased from the Cash Shop are trade-able to other players for in-game currency? I briefly skimmed through this article and didn't think I saw if this was asked. I'm not sure why we always accept "No items from the Cash Shop are P2W" as an answer to the "is it P2W?" question. No matter what is in the shop, if people can buy those items in bulk and trade those items for gold, and then buy weapons, armor, materials or anything else with THAT gold, it's P2W imo.
And any information on how they'll combat gold farmers/sellers? Most Asian games are plagued with a flood of gold sellers, spamming every chat channel seemingly without penalty.
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Yeah I guess by that logic, GW2, ESO, and WoW are all p2w.
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...that seems like a pretty fair monetization.
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Wake me up when Neowiz goes on paper about the RNG it takes to power up your skills and gear and how it will differ from Archeage or BDO. Lets have THAT discussion, and feature it.
Some people are so obtuse/dense on this forum, you could literally get away with crimes as long as you hire someone else to do it and hide behind plausible deniability.
[For Not Dumb Ppl] Devs don't do direct P2W anymore (unless it's mobile, because who cares it's mobile), the gambling/RNG is there to get passed the stupids. Buy more chips, more chances to win. More win, more power. No chips/NO RNG. Fodder. [/For Not Dumb Ppl]
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The only plausible explanation on the latter is that you're trying to use reverse psychology on yourself so when the system launches as they've described you'll be pleasantly surprised rather than a shrill and bitter MMO gamer.
This is what I was thinking all the reading I have done to get at this point. You, players, surely have played those games before. And are you telling me that the faster paid advance are pay to win? Instant level and converting cash for in-game coin to expend on xp pots. Thats all I have to say (plus WoW has a subscription model ha ha).
Unless you have some definitive information or insight to provide to ease the skepticism, get off my zipper. If you're so happy and convinced go be that. I don't have to d-ride the promotion/marketing phase. It doesn't win me anything. I will definitively see for myself and call a spade a spade.
It's no different than being interested in a movie, seeing the trailer having reservations and going to watch. It's either what you thought it was or better/worse.
Go shake your pom poms at somebody else.
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Can't afford it you must be working less than those who can afford, so you can make up the time that way.
Gotta recuperate that money somehow, what better than do it with NA.
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Now if you want to throw down $40 for 10-100 hours of entertainment, it is still a better deal than almost any other form of entertainment, but do people actually think the game will succeed? And if so, why?
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I read this article which tried its best and I still have zero feel for how this will work in practice.
If I were considering playing this, which I'm not, my confidence level would have gone down several notches.
It's probably just me though since most of you seem to understand it perfectly
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I can simply point to the so called "convenience buffs".
Well the pet buffs allow to level up faster,guess what,they can buff your pvp so having them level up faster is most definitely pay to win.
If two players play the EXACT same amount of time in the exact same way,the one using the cash shop will end up having higher buffs for pvp,how is that not p2w?
So one player is struggling along with the first tier of pets while the cash shop one is already at legend status and has the best buffs.
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We're you ever to actually meet such a "twin" in game I'm pretty sure the resulting "anti-matter" explosion will have killed off most of us and it won't matter.
Well either that or a very large horn is going to sound in the heavens.....
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Was thinking the same... i.e. due to giving 0 premium currency (the 20% extra conversion is barely worth mentioning) it just seems like the $15 would be far better spent in the cash shop (at least early on).
Also, I know they are saying 'no P2W', and it's good to hear there won't be any loot-boxes, but some red-flags for me are:
- If flying mounts are limited then:
-- Even levelling 20% faster (40% with premium + cash shop?) would be an advantage in getting one
-- Better chance of gear upgrade items in cash shop = spend money to get better gear faster = easier to win in PvP = better chance of a flying mount = win?
- Unlimited gathering tools (pickaxe and bag) and extra market slots from premium = better able to earn money = easier time staying stocked with valuable consumables for raids / PvP.
- Premium sub is $15 a month, but doesn't even come close to removing the need to also spend money in the cash shop
- They seem very tight lipped on how much the 'peace' (no-PvP) items will cost
Of course this all depends on how things are balanced, so I guess we will see come launch, but Bless definitely a 'do not touch' until the full details are known.
I make general statements leave out shoes and people like y'all stick your foot in them and make it about you. Instead of getting salty and running down trying to play tit for tat, provide some info that can quell skepticism. I'm fair, I'll thank you for the information and say "that makes me feel better". If you want to play the dozens I can do that too though (when I'm bored of course).
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And any information on how they'll combat gold farmers/sellers? Most Asian games are plagued with a flood of gold sellers, spamming every chat channel seemingly without penalty.