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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,054
    Tiller said:
    Avanah said:
    I avoided this game! :)
    Wow, the attention-whore is strong in this one.
    Thanks for sharing how you feel about yourself, but that's kinda off topic.
    What topic? Some chest thumping, like other primates do as well? You know, the ones that also fling poo at each other. The thread is rather worthless to begin with.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • KajidourdenKajidourden Member EpicPosts: 3,030
    Kyleran said:

    Tiller said:
    Avanah said:
    I avoided this game! :)
    Wow, the attention-whore is strong in this one.
    Thanks for sharing how you feel about yourself, but that's kinda off topic.

    wut

    Do you ever make a post that makes a shred of sense?

    Its called humor,  a bit too subtle for some, but I got his joke.


    *shrug* I like my jokes funny.
  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,485
    lahnmir said:
    Tiller said:
    Avanah said:
    I avoided this game! :)
    Wow, the attention-whore is strong in this one.
    Thanks for sharing how you feel about yourself, but that's kinda off topic.
    What topic? Some chest thumping, like other primates do as well? You know, the ones that also fling poo at each other. The thread is rather worthless to begin with.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    It is a discussion about how the OP is happy they didn't purchase the game, follow along.
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  • AlpiusAlpius Member UncommonPosts: 247
    Say what you want, I'm still enjoying this game. Lots to do and more on the way, hopefully. Yes, Neowiz fumbled a bit here and there so far, but it is their first time publishing an MMO in the West so I'm willing to cut them a little slack.

    The interesting thing about them only being accessible through Steam is at any given time you can look up their actual numbers, for instance right now at 11:03AM PST, there are 20,776 people playing. Not absolutely massive numbers, but not all that bad either.
    Mikeha
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
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  • alyndalealyndale Member UncommonPosts: 936
    Basically I am going to apologies to those FF 11 folks. I have considered here the importance and magnitude of FF 11. No, I never really played that version, thus I do humbly <bow in reverence> to those of you veterans. I also understand it has made some upgrades and there is still a very strong and active community of FF 11 gamers.

    That said and truly with honest, heartfelt sorrow, I used the opportunity to direct the readers to the documentary that "attempted" to explained what happened to FF 14 and how it was changed. I do currently have FF 14 on my computer and have enjoyed it myself at least until my subscription has lapsed. The intent of my original post was make a sort of analogy between what happened at Square Enix all those years back with what was defined and either a lack of vision or non-cohesion with development to the seemigly lack of development and poor release of Bless Online. FF 11 is mentioned several times as the most important mmo of that company's history. There was much to live up to from those that originally undertook development of FF 14. It failed originally, and Square openly admitted that. @Mikeha, yes you are correct they "pulled the plug" and yes FF 14 is very similar to World of Warcraft in overall concept today.

    The aim of the link to the documentary was not to hail FF 14 as a unique game. My opinion was that I "felt" it to be a masterpiece to me in comparison to what Bless Online appears to be now. I aimed my comments toward Nexon at least in that they have tried various times to reintroduce their mmo to the public with little overall success. All I ask is meet me halfway here.

    Finally I respect that, especially in this forum, one finds many enthusiastic gamers emotionally tied to what they play. This is a good thing overall. I never played SOE's ill-fated Star Wars Galaxies either. I do remember years of heated debate over how the original form of that mmo was changed. Many today still are emotionally tied to how they felt more than 10 years running now. I wholeheartedly respect them! I also know that there is a core group of folks very angry at how Richard Garriott was treated by NC Soft and Tabala Rasa. Of course we can also find many other exam,ples of mmo's that were not well made, or ignored, or dropped in some way. Most of the long time forum warriors here remember those "heady" days prior to the release of Vanguard. 

    Thus, again no harm was intended neither was I attempting to paint a wrongful image of FF 14.

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    Just gimme some truth
    John Lennon

  • AnnaTSAnnaTS Member UncommonPosts: 600
    edited June 2018
    I'm enjoying myself at the moment but i re started my character today, So i haven't experienced anything higher than a certain boss that i can't remember the name of, It killed me 5 times in a row so i decided to restart, I think it's called Jeros, It's on Heiron side.

    When i started the game i thought killing mobs would be too hard with what people had been saying on the Steam Forum, But i was able to solo the first dungeon with my Paladin at level 13, I bought the gear from the vendor stood outside the first dungeon in Marta, Other mobs haven't been a probelm, I usually have to go through 3 full rounds of combos and sometimes just a little bit more.
    ultimateduckZombieCat
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
    It is like having loyalty to football or hockey, and that's from people who only watch those games, playing gives you far more investment. 
    KyleranRhoms
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Scot said:
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
    It is like having loyalty to football or hockey, and that's from people who only watch those games, playing gives you far more investment. 
    Yeah, I really can't understand sports team loyalty, especially at the professional level.

    At least with games some folks actually play them, and are even active in a team.


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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
    It is like having loyalty to football or hockey, and that's from people who only watch those games, playing gives you far more investment. 
    Yeah, I really can't understand sports team loyalty, especially at the professional level.

    At least with games some folks actually play them, and are even active in a team.



    So @Kyleran

    Let me tell you why people get into sports. My thought process is that we all like stories. You ever read a book and root for the hero? Or in a movie and root for the protagonist? The problem with both those is that everything is pre-ordained and basically, your hero will always succeed, your hero will dodge 50,000 bullets fired at him/her and pick off all the shooters with his/her 6-shooter. 

    For me. I realized, why I am into sports. (Boston teams: New England Patriots and Boston Red Sox mainly) is that when you root for a team, you are rooting for "heroes" in a sense. The main protagonists of the story in sports teams are the star players (Tom Brady, Gronk for NFL) and you follow them because it is essentially a story. 

    We all like stories because they draw you in. The cool thing about sports is that it is not pre-ordained. Your team can come back from the jaws of defeat and not because it is written in the story. 

    In reality, sports are the best stories because what happens is not predictable. If your team wins, then your heroes really performed heroically (i.e. Patriots Superbowl vs Atlanta, come back down 28-3 with 18 minutes to play). 

    That's why I like Sports, the whole season comes out to a giant epic quest where the result isn't mandated and already written. That's the boring thing about books/movies, but sports, is like a book/movie where you root for your heroes. 

    ***********

    In reference to playing, yes, playing is more fun, but let's be honest, it isn't always feasible when you are a responsible adult in the US working your ass off to survive. 

    Sincerely, 

    Cryomatrix
    p.s. Now that is why people like sports . . . it took me awhile to realize why I like sports. I think it is a story with real protagonists (star players) along an epic quest (the season and championship).
    Scot
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    The other issue about why professional vs college vs intramural. 

    Professional = most at stake, more people watch it so you can talk to people about it, and most importantly best talent. You may argue they are spoiled rich brats, but the reality is, NFL players are underpaid IMO and they work their ass off to get where they are. They are much less exploited than college players. 

    College = less at stake, less people watch it, and the talent gap is too large. Also, if people are like, well I hate the pros because it is all about money, college is even worse in that the college teams are completely and utterly exploiting the NFL players for money and give them "free education" in turn. These colleges make hundreds of millions a year on their football programs and they pay the players nothing. 

    Intramural = talent sucks, not worth the time, it's cool if you know people. 
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  • OrinoriOrinori Member RarePosts: 751
    It's tribal. modern day sports / gladiator sports / tribes tearing each others limbs off where winners take all

    it helps keep the peace and keeps em busy.
  • RhomsRhoms Member UncommonPosts: 174
    edited June 2018
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
    It is like having loyalty to football or hockey, and that's from people who only watch those games, playing gives you far more investment. 
    Yeah, I really can't understand sports team loyalty, especially at the professional level.

    At least with games some folks actually play them, and are even active in a team.


    "We won!"  No, you didn't win.  The pro team won.  You cheered from your couch with a beer and a bag of cheetos.

    I think people have a natural tendency to heavily prefer their own tribe - whether that's an MMO or a sports team - even to a point where a criticism of their tribe feels like a criticism of their self.  MMO tribalism.

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    Played: UO, AC, Eve, Fallen Earth, Aion, GW, GW2 

    Tried: WOW, Rift, SWTOR, ESO 

    Future: Camelot Unchained?  Crowfall?  Bless?

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Kyleran said:
    Scot said:
    What goes on in a persons life where they have to have loyalty to a game? If a game is good play it. If it grates your nerves and grows boring leave it. Holding interest is part of being a good game whether it be with content or you know basic out of the box functionality.

    I find people who sword and board for games for reasons other than it actually being good just as absurd as the folks who hate them for no reason.

    Contrived Negativity = Contrived Positivity
    It is like having loyalty to football or hockey, and that's from people who only watch those games, playing gives you far more investment. 
    Yeah, I really can't understand sports team loyalty, especially at the professional level.

    At least with games some folks actually play them, and are even active in a team.



    So @Kyleran

    Let me tell you why people get into sports. My thought process is that we all like stories. You ever read a book and root for the hero? Or in a movie and root for the protagonist? The problem with both those is that everything is pre-ordained and basically, your hero will always succeed, your hero will dodge 50,000 bullets fired at him/her and pick off all the shooters with his/her 6-shooter. 

    For me. I realized, why I am into sports. (Boston teams: New England Patriots and Boston Red Sox mainly) is that when you root for a team, you are rooting for "heroes" in a sense. The main protagonists of the story in sports teams are the star players (Tom Brady, Gronk for NFL) and you follow them because it is essentially a story. 

    We all like stories because they draw you in. The cool thing about sports is that it is not pre-ordained. Your team can come back from the jaws of defeat and not because it is written in the story. 

    In reality, sports are the best stories because what happens is not predictable. If your team wins, then your heroes really performed heroically (i.e. Patriots Superbowl vs Atlanta, come back down 28-3 with 18 minutes to play). 

    That's why I like Sports, the whole season comes out to a giant epic quest where the result isn't mandated and already written. That's the boring thing about books/movies, but sports, is like a book/movie where you root for your heroes. 

    ***********

    In reference to playing, yes, playing is more fun, but let's be honest, it isn't always feasible when you are a responsible adult in the US working your ass off to survive. 

    Sincerely, 

    Cryomatrix
    p.s. Now that is why people like sports . . . it took me awhile to realize why I like sports. I think it is a story with real protagonists (star players) along an epic quest (the season and championship).
    Well thought out reply, makes good sense except for one thing.

    Why do you care who wins? Rooting for the high school or university you went to, I get that, but pro sports, just why?

    Because they are in your geographic vicinity,  I guess but many people (including myself back in the day) rooted for teams thousands of miles away.

    In fact, rooting for "winners" seems to be the most often reason, even if many won't admit to it.

    One day in my late 20s, perhaps because I relocated to a new area, but I just can't relate.


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  • jonp200jonp200 Member UncommonPosts: 457
    I agree with most here.  I avoided the game, as it sounded like a dumpster fire in the making.  Every time one of these fails however, it is a ding on our hobby.  I don't delight in the failure of a game.  Every failure is one more message to a potential publisher, "Maybe not.."  Anything outside of the normal paradigm that doesn't work says, "Don't think outside of the box."  What we are left with is what we have now; a lackluster grouping of clones that lack innovation with little decent on the horizon.

    With that said, I'm pulling for Crowfall, Ashes of Creation, Pantheon, and others because every one that succeeds says, "Yes Maybe."

    I remain super-disappointed about most crowdfunding ventures, as that seemed the avenue for many developers.  Ask the fans, create something they will play, and ask them to be a part of the development process.  While there have been some successes, most have not panned out or worse they took the money and failed.

    There really needs to be some real innovation in the sector but if I am being fair, the environment hasn't lent itself to that.  Therein is the problem and trying to cater to everyone caters to no one.

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    Playing ESO on my X-Box


  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,585
    mgilbrtsn said:
    I'm having fun so far.  I find that if I ignore all of the negativity on many of the threads and in the forums and just concentrate on playing. It's fun.  You start reading all the negative stuff, and a kind of gestalt starts to form and brings everyone down.

    Game forums tend to be an endless font of negativity, so one must apply a stringent filter so that the chaff doesn't overcome the wheat.
  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223

    Well thought out reply, makes good sense except for one thing.

    Why do you care who wins? Rooting for the high school or university you went to, I get that, but pro sports, just why?

    Because they are in your geographic vicinity,  I guess but many people (including myself back in the day) rooted for teams thousands of miles away.

    In fact, rooting for "winners" seems to be the most often reason, even if many won't admit to it.

    One day in my late 20s, perhaps because I relocated to a new area, but I just can't relate.



    Well, interestingly, when I was a kid and first watched sports (1988). My favorite teams were (Oakland A's and they just won a championship, Pittsburg Penguins as they just won a stanley cup, 49ers, and Chicago Bulls). 

    I think the reason was they were the best and thus their star players (heroes) were more charismatic for me. When I got older and other kids were liking the local team, I could relate to them and their team and star players (i.e. their story and heroes). Hence, it was a social thing. 

    Currently, I live in California, but my favorite teams are still New England and Boston Red Sox and I'm a fair weather fan for Hockey/bastkeball, won't watch unless it is finals and doubtful if that. 

    It's easy to root for a team that is good. It is probably also why I wasn't a Boston fan in the early 80's and late 90's is because all the Boston teams sucked. But as I got older, it was more that the other teams I liked started to suck and all the kids were rooting for the local teams so I could partake in their stories and heroes. 

    Now that i'm older, I can stick with my Boston teams, but it will be interesting to see if I'll still watch all the NE patriots games (like i've been doing for the past decade) when they start to suck again. 
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  • ultimateduckultimateduck Member EpicPosts: 1,309
    I got it as more of a feeler to see if the general consensus of the people who post here match my personal opinions on games that look interesting.

    I enjoy the game.

  • IceDarkIceDark Member UncommonPosts: 207

    I enjoy the game.

    You can't enjoy it! I mean, how could you ? Isn't it obvious that most of the people from here ( who didn't even played the game ) says the game sucks? If they say it is, then is true ..


    ultimateduckKyleran
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  • xion12121xion12121 Member UncommonPosts: 199
    shawnpat said:
    The people in the comments are just game hoppers anyways, they don't like the games they play... yet they are gamers... hence they hop around from 1 game to the next never finding the "perfect mmo"... the perfect mmo doesn't exist ok people... find something good enough for you and play it, I don't see any mmo out there that makes Bless look like a fail, if anything Bless is a combination of my favorite mm's so its good if ya ask me, yeah there are changes I def hope happen but its that or go play a game where I have that been there done that feeling, log into WoW only to be bored an hour later, log into FF1V only to be bore an hour later...… you get my point
    Look I like many are hoping for a new MMO to play, but I will not sacrifice my dignity simply because it's the only new MMO to play. I'm holding the devs accountable. They lied about the action combat being in, then they are like " oh by the way not all end game content has been implemented yet. Then there is the duping bug they still probably haven't fixed yet. I could go on and on, but if you are having some fun by all means stay. The overall damage nerf was the last straw for me. I was willing to overlook all the other issues. But seriously if these devs just logged in to the NA version for 1 or 2 hours they could have caught all these issues. What does that tell you about the devs? To me it tells me they are either A.) Lazy or B) just don't care. If that's what you want to praise by all means have at it. I will not be one of them.

    I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....

  • WizardryWizardry Member LegendaryPosts: 19,332
    For myself it is very simple math,a game has to be better than what i can already play.
    I am not buying ANY new game just because it's new or just because someone says it's pretty good,it MUST be better than what i already have.
    Kyleran

    Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.

  • UngoodUngood Member LegendaryPosts: 7,534
    This is why I let a game simmer for 3 months before I play it.. gives it time to drive out the insane clowns who have unrealistic expectations from a game and work out some of their issues.

    Kudos for NioWiz for trying.. and in 3 months I'll check back with them to see about playing their game. it looked a lot like TERA, which did not appeal to me, so, I was not into this game to start with.

    But we shall see. 
    Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.

  • ceratop001ceratop001 Member RarePosts: 1,594
    The reviews were so bad I couldn't commit to buying it. I wanted to try it, but it felt like a Trion moment so couldn't pull trigger.
     
  • xion12121xion12121 Member UncommonPosts: 199
    The reviews were so bad I couldn't commit to buying it. I wanted to try it, but it felt like a Trion moment so couldn't pull trigger.
    Good thing you didn't, do you see my signature on the bottom? I'm thinking about changing it from SWOTR to Bless Online, that tells you how bad things are right now for that game.

    I would give you a guest pass to SWOTR, but then I wouldn't be able to find a way to live with myself afterwards....

  • OrinoriOrinori Member RarePosts: 751
    edited June 2018
    Odd as I am enjoying it more and more every day so far, I don't know how long it will last but level 19 with 20 hours down, all good :)

    (would just love to know what all these people were expecting?)
    MikehaIceDark
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