Let's talk about what Fallout 76 is, not what it isn't.

Iselin · June 2018

Thanks to @AIBQuirky for finding and posting the video below in another thread.

This is what we really know so far about FO76 so far:

It's a survival game with a couple of dozen players
It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.
No there is no offline mode
No there are no different "server" types
There are no human NPCs and no NPC factions
There are some robotic quest givers
Quests will be mostly of the "found in the game while exploring" variety but the game is not quest-based
When you die you WILL respawn with all progress - no need to start learning and researching from scratch
No idea what happens to your items when you die but it sounds like 100% full loot from anything I've read or seen.
The graphics engine is "current gen" and seems to be the same exact one used in Fallout 4

Mendel · June 2018

Iselin said:

Thanks to @AIBQuirky for finding and posting the video below in another thread.

This is what we really know so far about FO76 so far:

It's a survival game with a couple of dozen players
It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.
No there is no offline mode
No there are no different "server" types
There are no human NPCs and no NPC factions
There are some robotic quest givers
Quests will be mostly of the "found in the game while exploring" variety but the game is not quest-based
When you die you WILL respawn with all progress - no need to start learning and researching from scratch
No idea what happens to your items when you die but it sounds like 100% full loot from anything I've read or seen.
The graphics engine is "current gen" and seems to be the same exact one used in Fallout 4

PVP always? Then I can say with 100% accuracy that this game will be Mendelless.

Iselin · June 2018

Mendel said:
PVP always? Then I can say with 100% accuracy that this game will be Mendelless.

Gang wars with nukes as well. What could possibly go wrong?

marganculos · June 2018

well you stated in title

"not what it isn't"

but i see quite lot of NO in your post lol

i can add one more NO... it's NOT MMO

iixviiiix · June 2018

It screaming "cash grab" .

Frozenyearround · June 2018

marganculos said:

well you stated in title

"not what it isn't"

but i see quite lot of NO in your post lol

i can add one more NO... it's NOT MMO

According to wiki (your suggestion) it is an mmo.

"Although modern MMORPGs sometimes differ dramatically from their descendants, many of them share the same basic characteristics. These include several common features: persistent game environment, some form of level progression, social interaction within the game, in-game culture, system architecture, membership in a group, and character customization."

Why do we need another thread talking about what is in the other 10 page thread?

anemo · June 2018

It is completely skippable.

Something that is always online and always PvP will have no tolerance for a Bethesda style always bugs.

Kyleran · June 2018

Frozenyearround said:

marganculos said:

well you stated in title

"not what it isn't"

but i see quite lot of NO in your post lol

i can add one more NO... it's NOT MMO

According to wiki (your suggestion) it is an mmo.

"Although modern MMORPGs sometimes differ dramatically from their descendants, many of them share the same basic characteristics. These include several common features: persistent game environment, some form of level progression, social interaction within the game, in-game culture, system architecture, membership in a group, and character customization."

Why do we need another thread talking about what is in the other 10 page thread?

Because Wikipedia is wrong?

Massively Multiplayer is what defines the genre first and foremost, interacting in a single persistent world 2nd, after these two everything else is debateable.

Hence the debate continues.

Kyleran · June 2018

DMKano said:

Its an always online Fallout 4 PvP focused mod featuring a couple of dozen players and a whole new map that is 4x bigger than Fallout 4. The combat is real time so there is no VATS - no slow/pause mode like in other single player games.

The focus is PvP so the game doesnt have NPCs.

I think that sums it up.

I personally love all of this as its a multiplayer online game (mini-mmo?) and I only tolerate NPCs in single player games, since this has no single player - they ditched the NPCs as well and thats awesome IMO, exactly what I've been preaching for years.

At least this matches up exactly with my idea of how much questing and NPCs suck in a multiplayer environment - yeah lets put this guy over here and have him spit out the same line of text forever - to any player that ever talks to him - just have him say the same shit for all eternity. Yeah great design.

So happy they did away with that crap.

Also I welcome the PvP focus.

Having said all this without actual first hand experience I dont know how fun the gameplay will be - in theory it sounds awesome to me, and I sure dont mind the griefing aspect, but need a ton more info before I can say - thumbs up or thumbs down.

As long as we are not forced to gather food and water for hours like in othet typical survival games like picking bush berries and shit.... yeah please no

Put like this, it has no appeal as PVP centric games aren't for me, will probably just stick with EVE for my MMORPG fix this year.

Conan Exiles still sounds like the better survival game for me to try out one day, once its "finished."

cheyane · June 2018

It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.

How does that work exactly I mean then why call it solo ?

Kyleran · June 2018

DMKano said:

Kyleran said:

DMKano said:

Its an always online Fallout 4 PvP focused mod featuring a couple of dozen players and a whole new map that is 4x bigger than Fallout 4. The combat is real time so there is no VATS - no slow/pause mode like in other single player games.

The focus is PvP so the game doesnt have NPCs.

I think that sums it up.

I personally love all of this as its a multiplayer online game (mini-mmo?) and I only tolerate NPCs in single player games, since this has no single player - they ditched the NPCs as well and thats awesome IMO, exactly what I've been preaching for years.

At least this matches up exactly with my idea of how much questing and NPCs suck in a multiplayer environment - yeah lets put this guy over here and have him spit out the same line of text forever - to any player that ever talks to him - just have him say the same shit for all eternity. Yeah great design.

So happy they did away with that crap.

Also I welcome the PvP focus.

Having said all this without actual first hand experience I dont know how fun the gameplay will be - in theory it sounds awesome to me, and I sure dont mind the griefing aspect, but need a ton more info before I can say - thumbs up or thumbs down.

As long as we are not forced to gather food and water for hours like in othet typical survival games like picking bush berries and shit.... yeah please no

Put like this, it has no appeal as PVP centric games aren't for me, will probably just stick with EVE for my MMORPG fix this year.

Conan Exiles still sounds like the better survival game for me to try out one day, once its "finished."

One thing I hope they do is put in ragdoll physics so I can pick up a dead players body and fling it around for fun - have the respawn timer on like 30seconds - so they are forced to watch lol.

The best griefing is AFTER they die, you know

Be even more fun if they included the mod that lets you put players in a bag and carry them around if you manage to knock them out.

MMOExposed · June 2018

Iselin said:

Thanks to @AIBQuirky for finding and posting the video below in another thread.

This is what we really know so far about FO76 so far:

It's a survival game with a couple of dozen players
It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.
No there is no offline mode
No there are no different "server" types
There are no human NPCs and no NPC factions
There are some robotic quest givers
Quests will be mostly of the "found in the game while exploring" variety but the game is not quest-based
When you die you WILL respawn with all progress - no need to start learning and researching from scratch
No idea what happens to your items when you die but it sounds like 100% full loot from anything I've read or seen.
The graphics engine is "current gen" and seems to be the same exact one used in Fallout 4

So pretty much this is
7 Days to Fallout
???
only thing missing is Voxel Building.

MMOExposed · June 2018

cheyane said:

It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.

How does that work exactly I mean then why call it solo ?

Well the way they Describing it, it sounds like the Multiplayer maps of 7 Days to Die. In 7 Days to Die multiplayer maps, you can play Solo as the server owner ( hence when you log off, everybody also gets kicked), but random people can join your server even against your will. You can be in a server of your own, playing by yourself and a random person joins your server and you may not even see them cross your path. But in some cases you will cross paths. Some of these people will be Trolls, as we know from 7 Days 2 Die, who will try to either straight up Destroy your work, or befriend you to infiltrate your base and then turn on you. Yeah I sound bitter....

btdt · June 2018

Doesn't matter what it is or what it isn't... gamers will play it no matter what.

Gamers are a mob that run from game to game as soon as it is even available to play (in any damn state). If you listen closely, you can hear them roar "To the neighbors!" as they advance on the next new shiny that is announced.

Iselin · June 2018

DMKano said:

cheyane said:

It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.

How does that work exactly I mean then why call it solo ?

Basically what he is saying - sure you can go solo and get owned by groups of other players, if that's what you want.

They can't force you to group - but it's a PvP game so solo at your own risk

But they don't really want to say it that plainly because that would cut into sales of those who will buy it accidentally thinking they can solo in peace.

Sovrath · June 2018

DMKano said:

One thing that I find personally amusing - here we have Todd Howard - a man who has been hating on ZoS for years to the point where he wanted to have that entire division shut down due to operational/staff costs - and preaching how Bethesda's single-player games are the future.

Lol what happend to that?

Here he is embracing always online and even using ZoS built megaserver tech for his own game, hahaha.

Man I hope there's a video somewhere of Todd talking to Matt Firor about using ZoS tech for his game - actually I doubt this ever happened as the 2 can't stand eachother.

I'm sure you know what happened. He is a company man. Someone higher up wanted more multi-player and so "he got on board".

Happens all the time in companies.

Kyleran · June 2018

Well, as I am compelled to eventually play all Fallout games I will wait "a bit" post release to give this a go.

But my patience is pretty legendary, Fallout 3 didn't impress me so it was about 9 years until I got around to trying New Vegas in 2017.

This one could be longer.

MadFrenchie · June 2018

DMKano said:

Its an always online Fallout 4 PvP focused mod featuring a couple of dozen players and a whole new map that is 4x bigger than Fallout 4. The combat is real time so there is no VATS - no slow/pause mode like in other single player games.

The focus is PvP so the game doesnt have NPCs.

I think that sums it up.

I personally love all of this as its a multiplayer online game (mini-mmo?) and I only tolerate NPCs in single player games, since this has no single player - they ditched the NPCs as well and thats awesome IMO, exactly what I've been preaching for years.

At least this matches up exactly with my idea of how much questing and NPCs suck in a multiplayer environment - yeah lets put this guy over here and have him spit out the same line of text forever - to any player that ever talks to him - just have him say the same shit for all eternity. Yeah great design.

So happy they did away with that crap.

Also I welcome the PvP focus.

Having said all this without actual first hand experience I dont know how fun the gameplay will be - in theory it sounds awesome to me, and I sure dont mind the griefing aspect, but need a ton more info before I can say - thumbs up or thumbs down.

As long as we are not forced to gather food and water for hours like in othet typical survival games like picking bush berries and shit.... yeah please no

Mini-mmo? You mean just regular ole multiplayer?

Mini-mmo is redundant.

EDIT- it's become hilariously sad how badly folks want to avoid using the plain term "multiplayer" to describe, well, plain multiplayer.

kitarad · June 2018

Iselin said:

DMKano said:

cheyane said:

It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.

How does that work exactly I mean then why call it solo ?

Basically what he is saying - sure you can go solo and get owned by groups of other players, if that's what you want.

They can't force you to group - but it's a PvP game so solo at your own risk

But they don't really want to say it that plainly because that would cut into sales of those who will buy it accidentally thinking they can solo in peace.

Devious of them but I guess it would make sense most people would not think about how they could play in such a game solo and not be bothered by others until it is too late and they have already spent the money.

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Waldoe · June 2018

Iselin said:

Thanks to @AIBQuirky for finding and posting the video below in another thread.

This is what we really know so far about FO76 so far:

It's a survival game with a couple of dozen players It sounds much more like an MMO with PVE and PVP elements with the ability to create player housing.
It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect. At 148 in the video he says there is a way you can decide to do PVP
No there is no offline mode
No there are no different "server" types
There are no human NPCs and no NPC factions The point is to have the other humans be the other real players in your instance.
There are some robotic quest givers
Quests will be mostly of the "found in the game while exploring" variety but the game is not quest-based He said it is very much like Fallout 4 in regards to quests. He also says that there is a main quest line as well.
When you die you WILL respawn with all progress - no need to start learning and researching from scratch
No idea what happens to your items when you die but it sounds like 100% full loot from anything I've read or seen. What have you seen that confirms full loot?
The graphics engine is "current gen" and seems to be the same exact one used in Fallout 4 In the e3 reveal Howard mentions all new lighting, rendering and landscape technology allowing for 16x the amount of detail compared to Fallout 4.

Not sure we watched the same video or Bethesda e3 conference. The troll doom and gloom commentary after the interview was a nice touch too.

Robsolf · June 2018

I rarely say this so early on in a game's development, but... I'm out. The forced PvP would already be a dealbreaker, but so's almost everything else on that list. It all adds up to what will likely make for shallow, repetitive gameplay.

Looks like Cyberpunk might be my last hope, or else I'm likely to get much more exercise(gasp!) next year.

Iselin · June 2018

kitarad said:

Iselin said:

DMKano said:

cheyane said:

It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect.

How does that work exactly I mean then why call it solo ?

Basically what he is saying - sure you can go solo and get owned by groups of other players, if that's what you want.

They can't force you to group - but it's a PvP game so solo at your own risk

But they don't really want to say it that plainly because that would cut into sales of those who will buy it accidentally thinking they can solo in peace.

Devious of them but I guess it would make sense most people would not think about how they could play in such a game solo and not be bothered by others until it is too late and they have already spent the money.

Just watch how he says it (right around the two hour and 29 minute mark of the video.) Solo play is the first "question" he answers... "of course you can play solo."

The how and PVP on 24/7 part is not even all that clear in the presentation. You need the follow up interviews for that and even there he's still deliberately not being clear about it. Just watch at 2 minutes 10 second of the video interview in the first post in this thread.

Interviewer: "So you can pick and say I don't want PVP?"
TH: "Wellllll... we want a little bit of drama there."

Waldoe · June 2018

DMKano said:

Its an always online Fallout 4 PvP focused mod featuring a couple of dozen players and a whole new map that is 4x bigger than Fallout 4. The combat is real time so there is no VATS - no slow/pause mode like in other single player games.

The focus is PvP so the game doesnt have NPCs.

I think that sums it up.

I personally love all of this as its a multiplayer online game (mini-mmo?) and I only tolerate NPCs in single player games, since this has no single player - they ditched the NPCs as well and thats awesome IMO, exactly what I've been preaching for years.

At least this matches up exactly with my idea of how much questing and NPCs suck in a multiplayer environment - yeah lets put this guy over here and have him spit out the same line of text forever - to any player that ever talks to him - just have him say the same shit for all eternity. Yeah great design.

So happy they did away with that crap.

Also I welcome the PvP focus.

Having said all this without actual first hand experience I dont know how fun the gameplay will be - in theory it sounds awesome to me, and I sure dont mind the griefing aspect, but need a ton more info before I can say - thumbs up or thumbs down.

As long as we are not forced to gather food and water for hours like in othet typical survival games like picking bush berries and shit.... yeah please no

He did say there is VATS but it just won't be able to slow down time because of the multi-player aspect. No idea what that actually looks like though.

I must have missed the part where he said the focus of the game is PVP. Is there a link to that? I saw the part about him explaining that it will have the great exploration and story that all of their games are known for.

Iselin · June 2018

Waldoe said:

Iselin said:

Thanks to @AIBQuirky for finding and posting the video below in another thread.

This is what we really know so far about FO76 so far:

It's a survival game with a couple of dozen players It sounds much more like an MMO with PVE and PVP elements with the ability to create player housing.
It has PVP on always - even when you "solo" - so it's no different than most other survival games in that respect. At 148 in the video he says there is a way you can decide to do PVP
No there is no offline mode
No there are no different "server" types
There are no human NPCs and no NPC factions The point is to have the other humans be the other real players in your instance.
There are some robotic quest givers
Quests will be mostly of the "found in the game while exploring" variety but the game is not quest-based He said it is very much like Fallout 4 in regards to quests. He also says that there is a main quest line as well.
When you die you WILL respawn with all progress - no need to start learning and researching from scratch
No idea what happens to your items when you die but it sounds like 100% full loot from anything I've read or seen. What have you seen that confirms full loot?
The graphics engine is "current gen" and seems to be the same exact one used in Fallout 4 In the e3 reveal Howard mentions all new lighting, rendering and landscape technology allowing for 16x the amount of detail compared to Fallout 4.

Not sure we watched the same video or Bethesda e3 conference. The troll doom and gloom commentary after the interview was a nice touch too.

I watched the whole conference live.

Did you watch the interview embedded in the first post in this thread?

Howard does a great job at the E3 presentation event of making it sound like it's got everything for everyone... job well done.

Now really listen to the interview he did after.

Interviewer: "So you can pick and say I don't want PVP?"
TH: "Wellllll... we want a little bit of drama there."

What does that sound like to you?

FlyByKnight · June 2018

I can see how this is off putting to fans of the other games. I think when a studio makes a turn like this it's important to clearly differentiate brand identity as to not confuse or upset their consumers.

RECLAMATION 76

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After several games of single player immersion they come on board and leverage the brand name to throw survival OWPVP into the mix. That IS jarring. They should have first announced a decent DLC for the latest Fallout to appease their loyal base and then dropped this bomb (no pun intended) on the gaming world. It would have greased the doorway.

With all that said I'm definitely trying this, as I have managed to hold off on playing the previous titles and have no preconceived expectations. I think Bethesda will get all the things right where others have failed.

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