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The Old Table Top Games with Friends Feel
Amathe
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With some modern graphics, sure. But even more than games like Everquest, I would love to experience a little of this (and yes I know the pic is full of mistakes):
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
1 Table top was the best there was,so it was cool,fun and well the best option we had.
2 Most of my friends from that era liked playing a table top but never really grew into video games,so that option is nearly impossible.Sure a few here and there do play video games but not all have the same love of the same game.Perhaps TOO many options makes it tougher than when we only had a few table top games to choose from so odds were we all liked the same games,be it Monopoly or Risk or DnD.
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거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Contract a DM for a X hour long story, the DM uses the game tools to write up/plan out the adventure, you and your friends schedule play sessions with said DM until the adventure has concluded... Pipe dreams!
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
(Last time I had any real life friends, probably a factor)
Never did the TT RPG thing, before my time or considered the province of nerds and suicidal "satanists."
I did play SSI gold box games however, and my wife still questions my love of fantasy and magic based RPG games.
Don't tell her about the secret rituals on Discord, OK?
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Also with the risk of sounding a heretic D&D is rather passé, so old school it seems like it exists in its own era. But glorious days had by one and all none the less.
Once Fantasy Grounds Unity is finished (no idea and they are taking forever), there will be 3D maping environments, dynamic lighting and line of sight features (for the 2D map version as well).
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I think those seeking such are better focused on TT systems like Roll20, Fantasy Grounds, etc... An MMO that attempts to achieve the inclusion of such will likely only upset "both" sides of the position. In a way, it is similar to that of trying to make a game appeal to "everyone". It just doesn't work, the result will always be of everyone being disappointed.
Look at the progression of D&D since its inception. D&D was created from the desire to give more story depth and interaction to the TT game "Chainmail". In the inception and progression of D&D, attitudes split on the attention to game play. Gygax believed structured rules and systems balanced with creative play were key to the progression of the game while Arneson believed only creative play was important, with rules and systems being subject to conditional need of attending to such.
This split off the creation of AD&D (Gygax) and that of D&D (Arneson). One with a more strict set of rules and structure (paying attention to things like physics of the world and interaction of the environment and its systems) while the other was more about story, and simply promoting an open play without major attention or adherence to conditions or rules.
Even after such, there was great divide between the TT/Pen & Paper community. Some games focused on core rules and detailed systems, while others focused on less strict constructs. The White Wolf games (Vampire, Ghost, Werewolf, Frankenstein) were notably more focused to the concept of Arneson's goal by essentially streamlining the game systems, making it more about basic interaction of person to person role playing (ie LARPing) as opposed to that of statistical results of rules and structures.
So, TT/Pen & Paper doesn't immediately promote a given concept or focus to a style of play. Like the games today where there are those who demand more structure and consequence/conditional play in objection to those who seek more loose and unrestricted play, it is the age old argument of taste.
I always like to place people into the Gygax or Arneson camp to more easily simplify arguments on game systems. Yes, any classification is confining and misses the nuances of a given persons position, but realistically and practically, it is a pretty fair segregation of positions. That is, if one is more interested in the freedom of the player to discern their play, to focus more on that of elements of story and progression without concern to a structure or conditional rule system, I see them as "Team Arneson". If they prefer more structure, rule systems, physics and conditions that dictate loss and consequence, I see them as more "Team Gygax".
An important point is that neither sees each other as absolutes. Both respect the need for the other, but think adherence to their core philosophy is the foundation.
Based on your above argument, I would place you more into the Gygax crowd. While for instance, I would place more of the games out today to be that of the Arneson crowd.
That is, Gygax was more focused on what a "game" is actually defined as (a set of rules, conditions, structures, to which a player/players compete against to overcome), while Arneson was more focused on the product of what a game may produce (ie entertainment, an engaging amusement or diversion).
Note there is nothing wrong with either focus, as I said, it is a matter of taste, but it does become a MASSIVE problem when we have such crowds conversing to a game and the expectations they have on its system of play.
I don't think you can use your basic example as a means to establish what goal or direction a game should be (in as how you desire it). I for instance was a very technical AD&D player, putting most of the focus on systems with only applying a bending of the systems to stave off devastating extreme results that harmed the over all campaign or ended it prematurely. Others I knew had open and what I considered "crazy wild disregard" for rule systems as they played a campaign of "anything goes!" and "the player always wins!", which should remind you of many games today.