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Anthem - BioWare’s Swansong - MMORPG.com

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We all know what a fickle company EA is when it comes to any non-sports game. Despite this, they have launched a lot of ideas especially through the BioWare brand. Known for top RPGs over decades, the question really is how much of the BioWare-of-old remains?

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  • Threatlevel0Threatlevel0 Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Superhero landing
    MadFrenchieSupaMutant[Deleted User]NordicApacheMoonffangJimWraith
  • BitterClingerBitterClinger Member UncommonPosts: 439
    I'm actually warming up to this game. It's getting very close to my "Must Buy" list.
    psychosiz1TokkenMoonffang
  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    If Anthem is an unexpectedly great game, Bioware will live on, or at least receive a stay of execution. 

    If Anthem is not a good game and does not succeed, then Bioware's recent history of mediocrity will end on a whimper and nothing of value will be lost.
    RolanStormNordicApacheTacticalZombehinfomatz
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    Just calling out a typo that "non-sports" should have read "non-loot box". :)
    PhryWraithoneJimWraithtannim78
  • jmcdermottukjmcdermottuk Member RarePosts: 1,571
    Here we go again, "we're calling it an MMO". It's not an MMO! BioWare themselves call it a co-op action RPG. What is it with people calling anything online MMO's?

    As for the game itself, it looks stunning. The one problem I have is the bullet sponge gunplay. Don't give me a game with guns and then make me shoot something 500 times to kill it. That's just BS.

    After watching the gameplay demo yesterday I've completely lost interest in Anthem. They've made the same error that The Division made. Any boss needs thousands of rounds aimed at weak spots to have an effect. Piss poor, unimaginative bollocks. Why not require heavy weapons or use the environment in some way, rather than a bullet sponge boss? Very disappointed.
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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,423
    "The question here is can EA win over the hardcore BioWare audience with this MMO"

    It is not the hardcore Bioware audience they have to win over, most BW fans are not really interested in this sort of game. It is the Monster Hunter, Destiny etc fans they will have to win over, those fans will not be bothered about narrative and will judge it the same way they judge all such games.
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  • GutlardGutlard Member RarePosts: 1,019
    I also remember a previous company's last-ditch effort of a game being their swansong also.

    Final Fantasy 1 ring a bell?

    Hopefully, a company can learn from years of mistakes and lightning can strike twice!

    Gut Out!
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Bioware has gone through a lot of changes since its early Baldur's Gate days. Their presentation style changed significantly when they left their isometric style behind and went more with an action-adventure style with DA, ME and SWTOR.

    But even with such a drastic change they were still uniquely identifiable as Bioware with the focus clearly on RPG and story.

    As technically proficient and interesting as Anthem looks so far, I'm having a hard time seeing the Bioware brand in it. This looks like a more generic FPS looter, light on RPG and story and heavy on mindless blow shit up. It could have been done by a host of other studios and if it had been no one would be saying "hmm... this looks like a Bioware game to me."

    They will sell buckets of units numbering in the millions but wanting to pull in the traditional Bioware fan base seems delusional to me: this is a Bioware game in brand name only.
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  • LilithMLilithM Member UncommonPosts: 82
    BioWare lost me with DA:I: when they decided to slim down the ways you could play your character, the Inquisitor was a generic mess. Hawke and Shepard is the complete opposite of that. And since MEA I decided that I'm done with them when they yet again went the generic route. I can accept that from Bethesda, because they (mostly) make open world RPG's with tons of stuff to do so it makes up for the main lead following the default hero type. Also mods.
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  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Looks worth a peek to me.

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  • peanutabcpeanutabc Member UncommonPosts: 178
    the latest gameplay is pretty disheartening.

    generic boring loot shooter
    psychosiz1
  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004
    Ever since D2's last update, I always get 'Lettuce' errors and get kicked out of game. Will uninstall, which means I need a replacement game, perhaps this will be it. Still tons of stuff unknown about this game. I can wait as I'm still having fun with Wildlands.

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  • AlpiusAlpius Member UncommonPosts: 247


    Ever since D2's last update, I always get 'Lettuce' errors and get kicked out of game. Will uninstall, which means I need a replacement game, perhaps this will be it. Still tons of stuff unknown about this game. I can wait as I'm still having fun with Wildlands.



    It's funny, when I read 'D2' I immediately thought Diablo 2 and not Destiny 2, was a little confused at first. I do have some hope that Anthem will be a fun game, because in the end that's all that matters, whether it's fun or not. Have to agree with most though, it just doesn't seem like a Bioware game. Still, I'll probably pick it up just to give it a shot.
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481
    edited July 2018
    Bioware has been dead for quite a while.  We are just following its EA infected zombie corpse as it lurches on from victim to victim.
    NildenTacticalZombeh

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  • ShodanasShodanas Member RarePosts: 1,933
    edited July 2018
    Casey Hudson stated that a skeleton crew is already preparing the framework for the next Dragon Age game and more Mass Effect is coming,

    https://wccftech.com/bioware-new-star-wars-unlikely/
    EponyxDamorCazrielinfomatz
  • SupaMutantSupaMutant Member UncommonPosts: 136

    Gorwe said:

    Almost everyone from old Bioware's gone. Hell, even SWTOR era Bioware is decimated. Muzyka, Zeschuk, Freed, Erickson, Karpshyn...all gone. Ok, DK comes and leaves, but outside of Musco and Boyd, I'm not sure anyone of notice is still working at Bioware.



    But that's how EA operates. If Anthem flops, they'll be relegated to mobile market, 100% certain. Just like Mythic was, remember that studio?



    edit: It's also not about the Bioware audience, but rather will they be able to replace enough of us with these new age gamers. I'm still open for the possibility of Anthem being good, but it looks almost entirely like Destiny and if I want Destiny...I have Destiny.



    That's just life. People move on. Maybe you should too. Instead of crying and whining.
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  • ArglebargleArglebargle Member EpicPosts: 3,481

    Gorwe said:

    Almost everyone from old Bioware's gone. Hell, even SWTOR era Bioware is decimated. Muzyka, Zeschuk, Freed, Erickson, Karpshyn...all gone. Ok, DK comes and leaves, but outside of Musco and Boyd, I'm not sure anyone of notice is still working at Bioware.



    But that's how EA operates. If Anthem flops, they'll be relegated to mobile market, 100% certain. Just like Mythic was, remember that studio?



    edit: It's also not about the Bioware audience, but rather will they be able to replace enough of us with these new age gamers. I'm still open for the possibility of Anthem being good, but it looks almost entirely like Destiny and if I want Destiny...I have Destiny.



    That's just life. People move on. Maybe you should too. Instead of crying and whining.
    Knowing a bit about the subject can help too....
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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Visually it looks nice, but game play wise I haven't seen anything that makes me not feel this game is just a methodical Busch Gardens ride.

    Only 4 suits to start bothers me. I would have liked to see some out of exo-suit gameplay.

    Again, I know somewhere Mark Kern and the former Red5 team are like "Hey this is our idea!" If Firefall LOOKED like this, and kept their original open world non-leveled manifesto + all the other cool ideas they started with it would have been pretty awesome. Dah well.
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  • RateroRatero Member UncommonPosts: 440
    Anything touched by EA is automatically placed on my "do not buy" list. I don't care how good it looks. I just want to celebrate the day that EA finally goes toes up for good.
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  • AeanderAeander Member LegendaryPosts: 8,060
    Visually it looks nice, but game play wise I haven't seen anything that makes me not feel this game is just a methodical Busch Gardens ride.

    Only 4 suits to start bothers me. I would have liked to see some out of exo-suit gameplay.

    Again, I know somewhere Mark Kern and the former Red5 team are like "Hey this is our idea!" If Firefall LOOKED like this, and kept their original open world non-leveled manifesto + all the other cool ideas they started with it would have been pretty awesome. Dah well.
    I don't consider the number of Javelins to be an inherent problem. We don't really know what the customization system is going to be like. For all we know, the game could have a great variety of weapon types, armor bonuses, skill trees, and sub-class branches that could drastically change how each Javelin plays.

    It's funny that you mention Firefall. Firefall had a lot of frames to choose from (5 base classes with 2-3 advanced classes each). It was, however, a case of severe quantity over quality, as frame customization was far too lacking, gear variety was low, and the difference in playstyle between frames was not especially meaningful. Among Firefall's many other design issues, its class system was not among its strengths. 

    What I am hoping for is for each of these Javelins to get something akin to Mass Effect Andromeda's skill trees. There was a great deal of build customization in there with tons of clever synergies between skills and passives located in entirely different trees. It was phenomenally well done and one of Mass Effect Andromeda's few positive qualities. 
  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441
    Aeander said:
    If Anthem is an unexpectedly great game, Bioware will live on, or at least receive a stay of execution. 

    If Anthem is not a good game and does not succeed, then Bioware's recent history of mediocrity will end on a whimper and nothing of value will be lost.
    Nah, EA will first force them to release a couple of mediocre sequel games like they did with Westwood. They probably could milk out some more money out of Dragonage and Mass effect still. 
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Aeander said:
    Visually it looks nice, but game play wise I haven't seen anything that makes me not feel this game is just a methodical Busch Gardens ride.

    Only 4 suits to start bothers me. I would have liked to see some out of exo-suit gameplay.

    Again, I know somewhere Mark Kern and the former Red5 team are like "Hey this is our idea!" If Firefall LOOKED like this, and kept their original open world non-leveled manifesto + all the other cool ideas they started with it would have been pretty awesome. Dah well.
    I don't consider the number of Javelins to be an inherent problem. We don't really know what the customization system is going to be like. For all we know, the game could have a great variety of weapon types, armor bonuses, skill trees, and sub-class branches that could drastically change how each Javelin plays.

    It's funny that you mention Firefall. Firefall had a lot of frames to choose from (5 base classes with 2-3 advanced classes each). It was, however, a case of severe quantity over quality, as frame customization was far too lacking, gear variety was low, and the difference in playstyle between frames was not especially meaningful. Among Firefall's many other design issues, its class system was not among its strengths. 

    What I am hoping for is for each of these Javelins to get something akin to Mass Effect Andromeda's skill trees. There was a great deal of build customization in there with tons of clever synergies between skills and passives located in entirely different trees. It was phenomenally well done and one of Mass Effect Andromeda's few positive qualities. 
    The ability to unlock certain "archetypes" that gave passive bonuses to the specific skill lines involved was nice.  It definitely encouraged one to experiment.

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  • ShaighShaigh Member EpicPosts: 2,150
    I'm expecting a massive marketing campaign for this one and I would be surprised if it flops. The question is more about what kind of longevity the game will have, particularly when it comes to the PvE side. Will there be enough interesting things to do beyond the initial rush?
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  • LackingMMOLackingMMO Member RarePosts: 664
    This game is more warframe with aspects of destiny. Not sure how this will end up, I was really interested at first but seeing more and more the less and less im interested now. The one thing I will say that is a silver lining for them is how disappointed destiny fans are with 2, this is their chance to swoop in and snatch up an audience.
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  • koldmiserkoldmiser Member RarePosts: 353
    After the mess that is Destiny 2 I'm hoping Anthem will be my Destiny replacement.
    Octagon7711
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