CD Projekt Red Has No Intention of to be 'Shy' About Politics - Cyberpunk 2077 - MMORPG.com

SBFord · July 2018

CD Projekt Red Has No Intention of to be 'Shy' About Politics - Cyberpunk 2077 - MMORPG.com

Cyberpunk 2077 News - While many of today's game's tend to shy away from overt commentary on the current state of the world, CD Projekt Red has no intention of doing the same with Cyberpunk 2077. In a recent interview with XBox Magazine, Quest Designer Patrick Mills said, "The original Cyberpunk 2020 setting, like the setting of The Witcher stories, was a complex critique of the author's world, and we don't shy away from that in our games."

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Xasapis · July 2018

I think they will follow the same reasoning behind "politics" like the Witcher series games. In other words, include things that make sense for the setting.

Which will be received as you'd expect from the usual suspects in gaming journalism. I can already see the headlines "... didn't go too far...", "... didn't include arbitrary subject X...", "... not cyberpunk enough ..." etc.

tomek2626 · July 2018

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

SBFord · July 2018

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

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MaxBacon · July 2018

When the game has its own setting, things like racism and other types of abusing, that works.

Now when the game is realistic, there are lines you don't cross, otherwise, we start to see a side of it you don't really want (such as RL political agendas brought into gaming), mixing you into racism on a realistic setting is playing with fire.

That is what GTA had to work out on Vice city when they outraged I think it was Cubans or Mexicans quite the racist moments, Rockstar I think apologized, it seems they managed to dilute the racial topic better on the sequels.

Now on games like Kingdom Come Deliverance where some people got salty as there are only white people, that's just historically accurate.

But when a game is just a massive stereotyping joke, like South Park games, they can literally do anything, all is good.

Scot · July 2018

Hmm, but if you comment on the state of the world today are you not moving away from Cyberpunks original themes and settings? But I don't see this as a big issue, because we always have the same old commentary.

"While many of today's game's tend to shy away from overt commentary on the current state of the world"

I hardly think so, if they want to compare themselves to Mario or Sonic the Hedgehog then yes. But lets look at Sci-fi settings in a near future world; be it Deus Ex, Assassins Creed (Ok modern parts are only just about SF), Jydge, Bioshock, Borderlands, F.E.A.R, Hitman/Just Cause/Rise of the Tomb Raider (Ok barely SF), Far Cry, I could go on and on.

They all feature one or more of three story ideas; corporations, governments, police or a military that are somehow corrupt or tyrannical, technology that has somehow gone bad, an elite of some sort. Lazy writing and we rarely see any other Sci-Fi in films, TV or games that does not use that setting.

Two ends of what is possible, Star Trek shows a bold bright future and that is reflected in the games, while Tyranny shows some of the problems of not behaving in a "Tyrannical" way. I do realise Tyranny is not SF, that just shows how little their is outside the envelope I mentioned.

Lambon23 · July 2018

lol the editors here are just dying to tell us how important gay couples are in video games. (they're not)

Xasapis · July 2018

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

I think it's whether it fits the specific universe, not whether it exists in the real world. In Cyberpunk you can basically change any feature that would make a real world person human. Change face, sex or even change body composition from flesh to complete android. This kind of revolutionary technology makes certain today's real world concepts obsolete.

SBFord · July 2018

Xasapis said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

I think it's whether it fits the specific universe, not whether it exists in the real world. In Cyberpunk you can basically change any feature that would make a real world person human. Change face, sex or even change body composition from flesh to complete android. This kind of revolutionary technology makes certain today's real world concepts obsolete.

Oh I totally agree. I want to see them include whatever is relevant to the universe. If that includes gay or lesbian romances, so be it. If it includes (and it does) cheap one night stands or whatever makes for a great story, I'm all for it. I refuse to believe that anything should be left out just to cater to small segments of disaffected consumers and that the stories devs want to tell -- whatEVER they are -- should be told.

MaxBacon · July 2018

DMKano said:

Depends on how its done.

If the developer tries to push their own bias and RL political genda via game - then it ruins the experience for me.

If its something that just makes sense within the game world and is not a point they want to drive home about RL politics - that is ok.

It is also extremely hard to just stick to the game and not let RL bias creep in.

So i remain skeptical on them pulling this off without bias.

Like that Mass Effect Andromeda developer that spent day and night going on about the whites on twitter, imagine if that type of person gets in charge of the design areas of a game and lets that sort of agenda influence the setting of the game, no good there

mmrv · July 2018

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

Cuz like an issue that affects 3% of the worlds population should be pounded down our throats pretending it is mainstream and a pressing issue for the world? KEK /rollseyes. I certainly agree that more freedom of the dev's choices of story to be told would be great, as opposed to the tiresome usual predictable SJW status we have now. Hey look another brown female character being the boss of white peons as they battle another white evil man hungry for power /yawn.

Sovrath · July 2018

Lambon23 said:

lol the editors here are just dying to tell us how important gay couples are in video games. (they're not)

They are if the story supports it or if the game/story gives the players agency to create a character that interacts with the world or story in a way that the player wants.

azarhal · July 2018

Going by some comments here, many people do not understand what the punk in cyberpunk stand for and Cyberpunk, the setting 2077 is based on, is the most punk of all the cyberpunk settings. In fact, it's so punk that I expect CDPR to tone it down.

Also, someone mentioned Game of Thrones, Cybeprunk was GOT x10 when the first edition released back in 1988.

Waldoe · July 2018

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

wowhuntard · July 2018

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

Well said.

There are less than 5% of people that fall into mentioned lifestyle but, due to aggressive media promotion of it in the last decade, common people in the USA (especially millennials) believe that the actual numbers are around 25%. As a very loud vocal minority, with dedicated SJWs and serious money and media support, they are well established in all media spheres.

I'm from Europe, and majority of people here in most countries are very annoyed with such media attitude. Not with the people on personal level, but with a constant everyday effort to influence their opinion.

Tbh, after all these years of playing RPGs and MMOs i still don't see the point in seducing a scripted digital character, unless it is a part of the main story. I have quality relationships in my life, and really don't need digital ones.

Iselin · July 2018

blueturtle13 said:

One of the striking things about The Witcher series I always admired was that there was racism in the world. It made the world more grounded and realistic. Those types of additions to a game world require a deft hand and measured execution. Two things CDPR have in spades.

This is also very common in Elder Scrolls games including ESO. A significant portion of the High Elf population are racist isolationists. Slavery is also an integral part of Dark Elf society with their Argonian slaves.

And they don't shy away from it: the main zone story line in Auridon is all about these High Elf racists objecting to the alliance that includes "savages and beasts" (wood elves and Khajiit) and forming a secret society, the Veiled Heritance, to try to get rid of the queen, who isn't one of them, and install a new queen who is. There's also a lengthy multi-part quest in the Morrowind DLC about a couple of Argonian slaves trying to free themselves.

There are a few gay NPCs in ESO - both male and female. They're just there without any over-emphasis on their sexuality.

Anyway... it's actually pretty tough to find any fictional work, be it books, films or game worlds that do not reflect on hot topics of the day within their fiction. Even the ones that try to avoid it by sanitizing everything are making their own kind of political statement in so doing.

Sovrath · July 2018

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

Except that the stories/settings for characters in TV, movies, Video Games, books, etc aren't real life but snapshots focusing on what the creator wants to say/show.

No writer writes a book yet doesn't include certain characters because they are a small percentage of the population.

Whatever the property, the characters included are meant to be there and are meant to support the "world building" of that property.

They are pieces of whatever creation the creator wants to create. They aren't supposed to represent an exact copy of our real world.

edit: so if a studio, author, developer etc wants to create property with a town filled with Lesbian accountants or a south eastern city solely populated by East Asian bobsled enthusiasts then that's the population of that property and hopefully it works based on what the creators are trying to do.

KingNaid · July 2018

MaxBacon said:

Now on games like Kingdom Come Deliverance where some people got salty as there are only white people, that's just historically accurate.

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Solar_Prophet · July 2018

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

Exactly! Thank you!

Homosexuals and all the sub-groups contained within that categorization make up at most 3% of the population, and that's being generous. However if one were to guess a percentage based purely upon their occurrence in entertainment media, it'd be roughly 40%. It's a valid concern, especially to people who may find that choice of lifestyle to be morally objectionable, or those who live that lifestyle but just want to be left the hell alone. Disproportionately representing a certain group or sub-group is a very common way of either forcing that group's ideology onto people, or attempting to paint the extreme members of it as the norm, and in the end really isn't fair to anybody regardless of whom it's trying to 'benefit'.

As for politics, as long as all sides are represented fairly I don't really care. Unfortunately most games utterly fail to do so. They either use tactics similar to those mentioned above, or completely strawman those opposite the agenda the developers want to push (yes YOU, Blizzard). Far Cry 5 did a better job than most these days.

wowhuntard · July 2018

Sovrath said:

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

so if a studio, author, developer etc wants to create property with a town filled with Lesbian accountants or a south eastern city solely populated by East Asian bobsled enthusiasts then that's the population of that property and hopefully it works based on what the creators are trying to do.

But if GLAAD calls on Hollywood to have 20 percent of annual film releases include a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or gender fluid character by 2021, rising to 50 percent of output by 2024, it is politics. It is an agenda. It is a form of propaganda.

SBFord · July 2018

wowhuntard said:

Sovrath said:

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:
tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

so if a studio, author, developer etc wants to create property with a town filled with Lesbian accountants or a south eastern city solely populated by East Asian bobsled enthusiasts then that's the population of that property and hopefully it works based on what the creators are trying to do.

But if GLAAD calls on Hollywood to have 20 percent of annual film releases include a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or gender fluid character by 2021, rising to 50 percent of output by 2024, it is politics. It is an agenda. It is a form of propaganda.

GLAAD calling on something doesn't mean it will happen. If it fits the IP contextually and if the people who are making the game or film want their game or film that way, then that is their choice, just as it is the choice of people NOT to purchase a game or film if they disagree with its direction.

Additionally, why is having characters of all stripes, whatever those stripes are, a bad thing? It was a powerfully emotional day the first time I saw "someone like me" in a game and when I read my first novel that was close to my worldviewview. I don't push an agenda on anyone, but it's an amazing experience for people to be able to identify.

There's a reason Black Panther resonated so strongly with African Americans and other people of color around the world.

Shaigh · July 2018

There will always be political bias and people never have any problem with any sort of RL political agenda as long as it doesn't go against their own bias. The silly thing is that most people can play the game without outrage but when they read about it on forums they get extremely upset about how all politics ruined their game.

Sovrath · July 2018

wowhuntard said:

Sovrath said:

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

so if a studio, author, developer etc wants to create property with a town filled with Lesbian accountants or a south eastern city solely populated by East Asian bobsled enthusiasts then that's the population of that property and hopefully it works based on what the creators are trying to do.

But if GLAAD calls on Hollywood to have 20 percent of annual film releases include a gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or gender fluid character by 2021, rising to 50 percent of output by 2024, it is politics. It is an agenda. It is a form of propaganda.

And Hollywood, or anyone making movies can do that "or not."

Just like you can go to those movies "or not."

If hollywood decided it was "good business" to include as many alternate lifestyles as they can find then that's their "business."

And that is exactly what it is, a business.

And they will do what is right for their business. Either purchase their work "or not."

To me, if the work is good I don't care if it's 100% homosexual or transgender or whatever. If the work is bad then no ratio of any group is going to save it.

I judge a work on it's success not because it represents "me." Though I do have to have some interest.

There are plenty of things I don't buy because I'm not interested. And my stance is either buy it or don't. Many people want to see stories that include people like themselves. If it's worth it to the creators/studios, etc then they'll do it. If it's not then they won't.

Waldoe · July 2018

Sovrath said:

Waldoe said:

SBFord said:

tomek2626 said:

so it means we dont get force freiend whit gey or lesbo quests so game be political corect

Because those things don't happen in real life or aren't part of the world's culture. Gotcha. *facepalms*

No, it's not that those things are not part of the world culture, or important, at all. However, the number of people that fall into that lifestyle is a very small percentage worldwide yet the number of characters in TV, movies, video games, books etc. is moderately high, at least recently in the mainstream media, and not proportional to the actual number of people that identify that way worldwide.

So when this concern is brought to light in a fashion unlike this original comment. I think it is worth consideration from that perspective.

Except that the stories/settings for characters in TV, movies, Video Games, books, etc aren't real life but snapshots focusing on what the creator wants to say/show.

No writer writes a book yet doesn't include certain characters because they are a small percentage of the population.

Whatever the property, the characters included are meant to be there and are meant to support the "world building" of that property.

They are pieces of whatever creation the creator wants to create. They aren't supposed to represent an exact copy of our real world.

edit: so if a studio, author, developer etc wants to create property with a town filled with Lesbian accountants or a south eastern city solely populated by East Asian bobsled enthusiasts then that's the population of that property and hopefully it works based on what the creators are trying to do.

SBFord was making the point that LGBT community should have a place in games because they are part of real life throughout the world, which is absolutely true. So I made the point that the representation of the approximate percent of people in the world that identify with a particular lifestyle is not proportionally represented in a lot of the mainstream entertainment these days which is why I addressed the comment in the same terms.

Sovrath, if you want to change the perspective we are looking at this from that is fine. I agree with what you are saying. However, one would be naive to think there is not pressure (whether it is from the money source or fear of backlash or something else) to include certain types of characters. Creators have freedom but unless they are self-funding something, others are going to have a say in what ultimately makes the page or screen etc.

Dkuang · July 2018

LGBT, straight white male, whatever the context of the story so long as it makes sense in the world in which it exists. It's like those fuckwits that got mad about Kingdom Come not having people of color. Please get over yourselves. Might as well be pissed off that Romance of the Three Kingdom games don't have white people or that Luke Cage on Netflix had a cast that was 90% black.

Whatever CDPR does with Cyberpunk, if it tells the story of it's world in a believable manner in the context of their universe? I'll enjoy it, with or without gays, bisexuals, transgenders, android/robo fuckers, hermaphrodites, alien unisexuals, or whatever else that would fit into their world.

And yes, there currently is an agenda pushed by Hollywood and the SJW movement to force sensitivity and inclusion down everyone's throats, in perhaps a way to make amends for the decades that they only focused on white males? I see the flawed logic behind it, but yet I just want more stories told that are more inclusive, but not in a forced way.

Like Marvel making Iceman bisexual/gay out of left field which was totally off from what he was originally. Or even making Lando Clarissian a pansexual in the Han Solo movie. It's shit moves like that that pisses me off. Go and make new stories with more inclusive characters, don't change shit up just for the hell of inclusiveness.

Again, it's about the money. If inclusiveness works, they'll keep at it, if it doesn't..it'll be dropped like anything else in a marketing/business plan. *shrug* Ah well, shit happens.

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