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Attracting the WOW kids
omgitscole
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I know I know, this has been posted before.
But as i sat back and read about how badass this game is going to be (same way i felt before WoW came out!!!!) . I couldnt help but remember logging into WoW, and seeing a bunch of loud mouth 15 year olds cussing and being annoying.Hell thats 90% of the reason i quit.. honest to god! I hope they dont ruin this game too.... Great games dont come out every day, and Wow was a great game, and now its ruined.. battlegrounds ruined it!!! Ill take that comment to my grave!! anyways...
And also is it jus me or did Wow tottally jack Warhammers shiat? lol
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I'm always truly amazed at how the critics of WoW just can't seem to let it go.
WoW this and WoW that, dear god, get over it already.
And here's a tip, if you want a good community within a game you hope to play in the future, start by setting the example and contributing in a positive manner. Attacking another games community and making sweeping generalizations is generally considered not a good way to do this.
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You come off very condescending, Shae. However, generalizations often exist for a reason and to be honest I'll never be upset by someone pointing out WoW's awful community. Truth be told that there are far more WoW fan boys and supporters than there are critics, everyone is married to the game. I even heard that some guy broke up with his girlfriend of 3 years just so he could play WoW more often, that's just ridiculous.
But to tie this back to what you said, the OP could have written the most insightful post ever and it won't change the outcome of the community WAR will attract, be that for better or worse. There's nothing wrong with saying "Game A has potential, I hope it doesn't fall prey to what Game B did."
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I think it's funny when people make threads like "worried about the type of fanbase this game will attract", it's going to attract the exact same kind of fanbase every other game attracts, the only potentially "mature" game communities are for the games that barely exist/have bombed and are miniscule to begin with
the only reason seems like WoW has a lot of kiddies is because they have 6 million subscribers, that's a ton of people, so there's more potential immature people obviously
I don't know if I'd agree with that. I played DAoC for a few years and my server was usually about full (Merlin), the immaturity in DAoC was nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to what I and many others experience(d) in WoW. Perhaps it's because it attracted the B.Net crowd, I don't know. Saying that the immaturity problem in WoW doesn't exist is like saying that gas prices aren't high enough.
"Time.." I chuckled "I hold no secret to time, though it's mystery puzzles me. Deny it's existence and lie to myself not with hopes of a quickened pace."
I don't know if I'd agree with that. I played DAoC for a few years and my server was usually about full (Merlin), the immaturity in DAoC was nothing, absolutely nothing, compared to what I and many others experience(d) in WoW. Perhaps it's because it attracted the B.Net crowd, I don't know. Saying that the immaturity problem in WoW doesn't exist is like saying that gas prices aren't high enough.
DAoC/Mythic wasn't as broadly appealing or near as big of a success as WoW/Blizzard
Why did the B.Net crowd seem immature? Because Diablo1/2/LoD/Starcraft/Warcraft were incredible games that brought on a massive following/community. It followed to WoW. I'd say 9/10 people that play WoW are great, mature people. That leaves 10% to be immature. 10% of 6 million is a lot. I don't see what's so insanely immature about the community anyway unless you're reading the main WoW forums or something, then you gotta realize their forums require no registering of any sort, if you play WoW you can post there anytime. A lot of trolling to say the least. But judging 6 million people, most who have probably never even went to the forum, on the actions of a few thousand that actually are on the forum is a silly thing to do.
Why does the Counter-Strike community seem immature? Same reason. Huge success, resulting in a huge community.
Besides Blizzard's games and Counter-Strike, you can't really name any other games that have had as big of a success. And they just so happen to be the "immature" crowds too. Seeing a pattern?
If you want a "mature" WAR crowd you're going to have to hope the game isn't great and won't attract a lot of people.
There will be plenty of immature people in WAR, there were plenty of immature people in DAOC, etc. The more people you factor in, the more immature people you get.
There was a post about this on the Warcraft Alliance forums, and one of the dev's responded. He said they are not going to try and make WOAR an "M" rating because it hurts sales. Someone then tried to argue with him saying that "all" the best and most popular movies had "R" ratings. This guy was then thoroughly slaughtered when the dev responded with a list of the most popular, as well as the best selling movies and games of all time. They were almost universally rated PG-13, or T, but nearly none of them were "R" or "M". Since I'm no longer a kiddie myself, I would like a more mature community to play in, but ultimately MMO's are a business.
If you can't stand kids, don't play any new, big mmorpgs. Stick with old stuff that isn't as hot anymore, after a while in a certain game the "kiddies" move on to greener pastures.
The dev can't compare other games and films to an mmorpg because they are just too different. The majority of mmorpg gamers are 16 and over anyway and the ones who are younger who play, won't have parents who say no to the game being rated M (which i guess means you have to be 16/18 to purchase.)
I would say a game with an M rating, would attract more younger gamers.. I remember when I was like 10, everytime I saw a game with an 18 certificate. However, I don't agree adding loads of gore just for the sake of it but this game definately needs that grotesque feel that warhammer has and avoiding that because of records of the best selling games and movies which have a totally different customer targets, is just absolutely piss-poor research.
Bad community is the result of a badly developed game.
unless kids IS your target audience.
Someone jumped his nuts saying that R always outsells PG-13, and the Dev came back with all of those movie lists simply showing that this was not the case. You can read the original thread HERE
This might very well confirm Senden theory as the best sold game on consoles is instead GTA: San Andreas that is very very mature in rating
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Regardless of whether the game is swamped with gumchewing gamebreaking, cheating, scamming, kids with no respect for other players such as the case was in for instance MU Online, or if it's filled with dedicated mature players such as in games like Anarchy Online, a good experience from the community is something that you have to work for.
It takes a while to find and get to know likeminded people (you WILL find them, eventually) and that's pretty much all it takes, as long as you surround yourself with friends you'll have a good gaming experience, no matter what the rest of the gaming community exist of
As for World of Warcraft... Go play Horde on a horde dominated server and you'll find that people are generally much nicer for some reason, funny isn't it, The Horde are the actual nice guys :P
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Anyone noticed that the entirety of southeast asia plays every blizzard game that has been out and has professional starcraft/warcraft players. Wonder why they have 6 million subs? WoW is the only MMO played in southeast asia that isn't of asian origin. That's why they have so many subs.
The reason for the immaturity is the game's simplicity. Anyone can sit down and have fun playing it. My 7 yr old nephew leveled a character to 40 in a couple weeks. It's just fun for all ages.
Now even though WAR will attract some people from WoW, they won't be pulling a couple million subs from them or anything like that. Which in my opinion is a good thing. I'd rather WAR have it's own community melded from DAoC players and WoW players as well as all of the hardcore Warhammer players out there that have been waiting on this for years.
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And that's exactly what they got, the least common denominator. It's evident from the giant breasted jiggly breasted night elves, what 15 yr old boy isn't going to want a game with that?
I don't think WAR will have that kind of drawing power, especially since it probably won't release in as many countries as WoW has. And lets face it, the subscription numbers don't mean as much as people would like them to. That is until Blizzard lets us know how they count internet cafes in Asia.
How many of the WoW kids are still going to be stuck in the Barren's dueling each other and talking about chuck norris when WAR comes out?
Say what you want about generalizing a games community, in my experience WoW was by far the worst community as a whole. The game is based on a "me first" attitude.
I wanted a mature group that will become my friends and we can group more later on. Never once have I experienced that in WoW. . .and I was on a RP server too.
I am going to say that WAR is going to attract many kiddies to it, but I don't think they will stay.
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Oh. My. God.
Just for the record, WoW does not have 6 million subscribers. Thats the new urban legend. They've may have sold 6 million copies of they're game but the fanbase is much, much lower.
As for the fanbase of this game of course we'll get the brats but thats to be expected. Just make sure you make a macro for the appeal system. When someone gets out of line with you then appeal them. If they continue then they are liable to get banned and runonto a vn crying they were cheated out of the game.
Heres a little humor on our community we hope not to see:
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/hissyfit.html
She does??? Hmm, news to me.
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I would rather play with kids then closed-mindedness like yours. There are several kids in the guild I am a member of in WoW that are under 15 and they are outstanding members. However we happen to have several adults that are just outright tools.
Leave age out of it, PEOPLE in general can be real asses online age aside.
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*FLAME ON!*
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