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World of Warcraft - Will Battle for Azeroth Help Warcraft’s PvP Problem? - MMORPG.com

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With Fortnite ruling the world right now, will Warcraft be able to answer with some new mechanics that enhance the competitive experience in WoW? This is after all the Battle for Azeroth.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Blizzs , Battle Royale will be coming sooner than you think , and will leave a mark on Fortnite , a very deep mark
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  • alkarionlogalkarionlog Member EpicPosts: 3,584
    last I know wow was never really the top one for pvp, not even top 5 I belive
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  • AlbatroesAlbatroes Member LegendaryPosts: 7,671
    edited August 2018
    It might help if they stopped making the entire game revolve around hitting level cap. Hardly anyone runs low level bgs because all the "rewards" were backended to level cap since like WoD or maybe MoP. War mode isn't even a BfA feature but it has made things more interesting. The new stuff like expeditions will cause a spike but go down again due to people just running the pve focused on if they want achievements/mounts/pets etc (unless there's exclusive ones you get for running the pvp ones). The only thing this expansion will do is make it seem like it makes more sense to fight each other (at the start anyway) because killing each other while we "needed everyone" to fight to Legion narratively made no sense, but honestly every expansion has been like that.
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  • DiscipledOneDiscipledOne Member UncommonPosts: 103
    I fear all they have really done is taken the PVE grind and said how can we get PvP in on the action. Usually about now I am really stoked for a wow expansion. It’s a week away, and I’m having such a hard time getting into it, the pre patch stuff has been basically boring with maybe a half hour a content a week. The Old Soldier cinematic was the best thing to come out of the expansion hype stuff so far.
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927
    I doubt that it will be able to make world pvp the same as it was back in Vanilla... I won't forget such moments as seeing a Gnome Warrior trying to mine a node before me (human pala here) and suddenly 2 horde Rogue and Druid arrive and a fight breaks out I join in on the fight and 5 minutes later there are 20-30 people fighting over a single node of mithril ore. In some cases such fights that were caused by 2-3 people would escalate to 50-60 people or even more fighting like madmen over nothing...ah good ol' Vanilla :P

    Personally I'm looking forward to Expeditions as well. Would be great if they make them vs other players eventually(mid expansion).

    Btw a bit offtopic, but I was leveling a character 2 days ago on the beta to check out how's the leveling after the xp buff and honestly it feels like I genuinely might not have enough quests to hit 120 or it will be just enough AKA you can't really skip quests and/or you have to do dungeons to help you get to 120. Of course that's without the 10% xp from War mode. Still wondering if it's intended or they might do a last minute change to the XP. It feels kinda annoying to not have the option of skipping a quest if you don't want to do it and even worse if for some reason a bugged quests prevents you from doing the following 15 quests that you get from it. Would really suck if you have to grind dungeons to hit 120. Currently there are still bugged quests on the beta, though from what I can see they are the last in the "chain", so you don't lose that much if you skip them.
  • mmoloummolou Member UncommonPosts: 256
    The best open world PvP in WoW for me, took place at Tarren Mill and Blackrock Mountain, unless they can reproduce the circumstances  / settings that produced those kinds of spontaneous flare ups, WoW PvP does not really interest me.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    mmolou said:
    The best open world PvP in WoW for me, took place at Tarren Mill and Blackrock Mountain, unless they can reproduce the circumstances  / settings that produced those kinds of spontaneous flare ups, WoW PvP does not really interest me.
    Iv always been a PVE player who played on a PVP server, reason : Because i didn't want to miss out on battles like Tauren Mill and guilds who would park outside raids and instigate fighting , Those are the best PVP moments in WOW. 
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  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 563
    edited August 2018
    Usually MMORPG PVP seems pointless to me. There's always going to be crazy imbalances because devs have to balance PvE and PvP, while also making both fun - and with how large WoW is, I'm sure that is a near impossible task.

    I've PvP'ed in WoW since BC, and it's been the same since then. The only thing that SLIGHTLY changed it was Ranked BGs/Arena, and even then it always feels incredibly one-sided based on what healers/damage dealers the other team has over yours. It's never based off skill.

    Just my two cents. Edit: I know one can say that's most games, but I think MMORPGs are a special exception to that because I feel like they are even more victim to the 'tier list' of good classes, which is the bane of all pvp-based games.
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  • deniterdeniter Member RarePosts: 1,438
    Ah, World of Warcraft.

    Any news about Classic?
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  • ArskaaaArskaaa Member RarePosts: 1,265
    only liked vanilla old AV 6-12 hour games. i know i get bored BFA in 1-2 month but there is nothing else to play right now.

    wow need some think really new what players never seen in any other game and its hook them hard, but players get older and demand more. just beating dead horse in the end.
  • ACommonMuggerACommonMugger Member RarePosts: 563
    deniter said:
    Ah, World of Warcraft.

    Any news about Classic?
    We need a "sigh" emote on these forums for people who don't know when to stop beating a dead horse. 

    I can't wait for classic to come out - simply because people will finally remember the grind-fest bore it was and the changes that they made overtime are overall a good thing for most people.
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  • KalebGraysonKalebGrayson Member RarePosts: 430
    edited August 2018
    Short answer: No. Longer Answer: WoW is not a PVP game. It's a PVE gave with some PVP available. If world PVP in WoW was great or fun, people would have been partaking in it all these years. Adding a loot crate/incentives isn't going to fix it. Warmode is the current shiny toy in WoW and I think it will dwindle in participation over the near future. It's not PVP that I don't like. It's the people that ruin it for others. I sometimes wonder why folks act like they do in PVP. It brings out the worst in people. I was a Division 1 scholarship athlete in college. Competition brought out the best in me and my peers. If we taunted and disrespected our competition we were subject to discipline or even the possibility of being kicked off the team. Why is it that online anonymity brings out the worst in people? Curious line of thought.
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  • AlomarAlomar Member RarePosts: 1,299
    As a hardcore pvper, x-WoW player, friend of hundreds of other mmo pvpers, and council member of an 80 man hardcore mmo pvp guild who knows 0 people planning to play this. I'd wager no.
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  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849
    deniter said:
    Ah, World of Warcraft.

    Any news about Classic?
    No they have been pretty silent about it, the best educated guess would be next summer or fall. Wow seems to be on a 2 year schedule for xpacs so classic would be perfect to keep us busy for a year until wows next expansion in 2020. I predict Classic releases August or September 2019
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  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927

    Arskaaa said:

    only liked vanilla old AV 6-12 hour games. i know i get bored BFA in 1-2 month but there is nothing else to play right now.



    wow need some think really new what players never seen in any other game and its hook them hard, but players get older and demand more. just beating dead horse in the end.



    6-12 hours... don't remember having such short AV's... The shortest I remember used to be around 2-3 days, while the average AV on my server at least was at least 4-5 days :P
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  • TheDarkrayneTheDarkrayne Member EpicPosts: 5,297


    The last thing my level 35 orc warrior running around the barrens wants is a 110 gnome warlock dropping out of the sky dotting him, laughing, watching my warrior die, laughing and flying off. Welcome to grief central. The community in WoW is horrible at best and this entire expansion will make that even worse.



    Can't happen. Read up on what warmode actually is.
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  • Octagon7711Octagon7711 Member LegendaryPosts: 9,004


    Short answer: No. Longer Answer: WoW is not a PVP game. It's a PVE gave with some PVP available. If world PVP in WoW was great or fun, people would have been partaking in it all these years. Adding a loot crate/incentives isn't going to fix it. Warmode is the current shiny toy in WoW and I think it will dwindle in participation over the near future. It's not PVP that I don't like. It's the people that ruin it for others. I sometimes wonder why folks act like they do in PVP. It brings out the worst in people. I was a Division 1 scholarship athlete in college. Competition brought out the best in me and my peers. If we taunted and disrespected our competition we were subject to discipline or even the possibility of being kicked off the team. Why is it that online anonymity brings out the worst in people? Curious line of thought.



    You pretty much answered that question. In sports you're held accountable for your actions. In PvP games, accountability is out the window so people feel like they can do what they want. It's a lord of the flies scenario. Put more accountability in PvP and more people would play PvP content because it would be better controlled.
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    edited August 2018


    Short answer: No. Longer Answer: WoW is not a PVP game. It's a PVE gave with some PVP available. If world PVP in WoW was great or fun, people would have been partaking in it all these years. Adding a loot crate/incentives isn't going to fix it. Warmode is the current shiny toy in WoW and I think it will dwindle in participation over the near future. It's not PVP that I don't like. It's the people that ruin it for others. I sometimes wonder why folks act like they do in PVP. It brings out the worst in people. I was a Division 1 scholarship athlete in college. Competition brought out the best in me and my peers. If we taunted and disrespected our competition we were subject to discipline or even the possibility of being kicked off the team. Why is it that online anonymity brings out the worst in people? Curious line of thought.



    D1, girls volleyball? D1 here too, football talking shit was a way of life. Hardening the steel you could say.

    I have the same short answer as you tho, No. why Warmode when there is nothing to lose or gain. Still just meaningless pvp. No territory, no rulers, nothing.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    bcbully said:


    Short answer: No. Longer Answer: WoW is not a PVP game. It's a PVE gave with some PVP available. If world PVP in WoW was great or fun, people would have been partaking in it all these years. Adding a loot crate/incentives isn't going to fix it. Warmode is the current shiny toy in WoW and I think it will dwindle in participation over the near future. It's not PVP that I don't like. It's the people that ruin it for others. I sometimes wonder why folks act like they do in PVP. It brings out the worst in people. I was a Division 1 scholarship athlete in college. Competition brought out the best in me and my peers. If we taunted and disrespected our competition we were subject to discipline or even the possibility of being kicked off the team. Why is it that online anonymity brings out the worst in people? Curious line of thought.



    D1, girls volleyball? D1 here too, football talking shit was a way of life. Hardening the steel you could say.

    I have the same short answer as you tho, No. why Warmode when there is nothing to lose or gain. Still just meaningless pvp. No territory, no rulers, nothing.

    There is territory... there are rulers... Just not player controlled.  Sorry, again the pvp crowd is expecting a pve game to cater to their pro-pvp wishes.  Simply isn't going to happen.  You can go play Archeage for that style of sandbox game play.
    Aaah the passive agressive pve’r. Look man I answered the question being asked. I played wow for 5 years, world 300 guild, 2600 3v3. 

    Oh if we were in a pvp game i’d smack you for being a lil snot.
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  • btdtbtdt Member RarePosts: 523
    PVP in WoW has been a disaster for a long time.  Warmode isn't going to change that.  Battle for Azeroth will prove to be a less than successful expansion... one of the least successful.

    Spectacular cinematics won't make up for it, but it will certainly sucker in a lot of folks to buy it.
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  • Viper482Viper482 Member LegendaryPosts: 4,101
    If pre-patch is any indication BfA will be the final nail in the coffin for WoW pvp.
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  • zanzarothzanzaroth Member UncommonPosts: 40
    3 player island explore seems stupid. 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 dd. looks like it will take forever to kill anything.
  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 970

    btdt said:

    PVP in WoW has been a disaster for a long time.  Warmode isn't going to change that.  Battle for Azeroth will prove to be a less than successful expansion... one of the least successful.

    Spectacular cinematics won't make up for it, but it will certainly sucker in a lot of folks to buy it.



    Agreed. This could be a huge hit for blizzard or we could see the largest drop in subs from an expansion yet. I'm guessing it might be the later. I have zero interest in pvp and I know I'm not alone. It will be interesting to see what happens, but this is the most uninterested I have been about an expansion to date.

    If rumors are true and you can't reach max level without the help of warmode, then blizz has made huge mistake. Forcing people into pvp when they have no interest in it just to advance will be a blow that blizz most likely will never recover from. Time will tell....
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  • MargraveMargrave Member RarePosts: 1,371
    No it will not help. The game still has pvp in it. I hate when pvp gets stuck in good pve.

    One always screws over the other.
  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited August 2018

    btdt said:

    PVP in WoW has been a disaster for a long time.  Warmode isn't going to change that.  Battle for Azeroth will prove to be a less than successful expansion... one of the least successful.

    Spectacular cinematics won't make up for it, but it will certainly sucker in a lot of folks to buy it.



    Agreed. This could be a huge hit for blizzard or we could see the largest drop in subs from an expansion yet. I'm guessing it might be the later. I have zero interest in pvp and I know I'm not alone. It will be interesting to see what happens, but this is the most uninterested I have been about an expansion to date.

    If rumors are true and you can't reach max level without the help of warmode, then blizz has made huge mistake. Forcing people into pvp when they have no interest in it just to advance will be a blow that blizz most likely will never recover from. Time will tell....
    I can't imagine Blizzard gating level cap behind PvP.  It will only help speed up leveling if you don't get caught up in PvP fights on the regular.  War Mode has nothing to do with the ability or inability to reach level cap.
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