This was such a bad marketing scheme .. this will stall people from jumping into he game from start and wait it out to see how it goes , i myself would of waited anyway but this move just strengthens the wait.
While I've been convinced that this was the agreement made between the two from the get-go and am not concerned over any ostensible P2W aspersions, I think that Intrepid should have made this part of the announcement from the start.
Oh well. Much ado about nothing. I am convinced.
I imagine you were also convinced by EA whenever they say they'll change and listen to feedback.
You can be cautiously suspicious based on your previous experience, but being convinced at this stage when all we have is announcements of intention is almost bordering on paranoid.
Your first post in this thread was "I'm sold" Then you call a guy paranoid because "all we have is announcements of intention"
Oh the irony.
I just have no reason to doubt the announcements at this stage. Perhaps "I'm sold" is a bit extreme, I'll admit that, all I meant was "I believe their announcements".
I never thought I'd see the day when people actually defended My.com. Then again, I was briefly on the bandwagon with Revelations Online and that turned out well. There's always going to be 2 sides to business, the things that marketer says and the things the public believes. Its the marketer's job to use words to convince the public to believe something. No one other than the higher ups at Inteprid and My.com know the turns and conditions of the contract, which means everything, such as containing words such as "subject to change" or "addressed at a later date" so on. So how does a consumer "know"? The past is best predictor of the future. As I mentioned in another thread about this, please show me what My.com has been involved in that can be considered "successful"?
I hope everyone's keeping in mind that My.com is ONLY publishing in the EU and Mail.ru in CIS nations. NA and other regional publishers haven't been announced yet.
I hope everyone's keeping in mind that My.com is ONLY publishing in the EU and Mail.ru in CIS nations. NA and other regional publishers haven't been announced yet.
I heard they're going with a new publishing startup founded by Bernie Madoff!
No problem,sure we believe you,show us the documents on the legal stuff with this contract to publish the game? Saying something we would expect them to say,saying the right thing like a political agenda does absolutely nothing to make me a believer. What do i actually believe in?They have a contract that is about profits for My.com and allows Intrepid the finances to make a game they promised that otherwise was likely struggling for funds.
So there is likely a new definitive timeline and no matter what state the game is in,we have a testing phase incoming then a for sale with big PR marketing campaign. Otherwise it could simply be similar to what Trion did with AA,they simply did not want anyone else cashing in on a hyped game but have no real interest in the actual game outside of a simple contract to cash in on the game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
My.com shoud not have made any statement in my opinion, they got a terrible reputation in the eyes of the mmo community (and well deserved) and even less do a corporate statement like that… Doing it probably just added more fuel to the fire that is the outrage from the EU players and with good reason.
I’ve been following this game progress since it kickstarter days, which I didn’t backed because I got burned too many times with kickstarter games that I always get skeptical with anything that comes from there, i’m still trying to grasp why Steven and his team have made this decision, he knows about marketing and is a mmo player so he should know how bad a partnership with a Publisher like My.com would hurt AOC reputation.
Perhaps he ran out of options? Or My.com made him an offer too good to deny?, regardless of the truth he should had announce it to AOC community first, to try and find an alternative solution or to soften the blow at least.
I hope everyone's keeping in mind that My.com is ONLY publishing in the EU and Mail.ru in CIS nations. NA and other regional publishers haven't been announced yet.
Maybe they're afraid of announcing Trion as the NA publisher, so they're gonna wait a few months.
My.com?? Do they have a death wish? That is even worse than a western company, picking NCsoft as their publisher... My.com is the stereotype of low quality, questionable ethics, and poor service. Look at what they did to Sky Forge, as just one of many examples. Its really too bad, as AoC looked like it might be an interesting game.
I remember Stephen spending $25,000 on items in Lineage 2. Rumor has it over $80,000 in ArcheAge. Greatest P2W player of all time seeks greatest P2W publisher of all time. This is fucking gold.
My.com?? Do they have a death wish? That is even worse than a western company, picking NCsoft as their publisher... My.com is the stereotype of low quality, questionable ethics, and poor service. Look at what they did to Sky Forge, as just one of many examples. Its really too bad, as AoC looked like it might be an interesting game.
Well, lots of folks sharing who they dislike, not many positive recommendations.
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I remember Stephen spending $25,000 on items in Lineage 2. Rumor has it over $80,000 in ArcheAge. Greatest P2W player of all time seeks greatest P2W publisher of all time. This is fucking gold.
Are you sure a mere $80k is the AA record? Speaking of which...
Apparently we have nothing better to do than argue about whether some game that isn't even close to launching will, at some point in the distant future, eventually be pay to win.
Apparently we have nothing better to do than argue about whether some game that isn't even close to launching will, at some point in the distant future, eventually be pay to win.
Cause its always smart to worry about p2w when we actually play it....? But you do bring up an interesting point about the timing. Personally I feel the game 'should' be in a beta state in about 2 years given the team's size and progress so far, especially since they are planning to introduce a lot of big systems while trying to see how other systems interact with each other (such as the new combat system with big battles and so on). Stuff like that takes at least a few months for each phase to be done 'properly.' Announcing a publisher does seem a bit premature on their part since a lot of testing still hasn't been done and just signals to me that they are trying to rush things a good bit or trying to hasten 'early access' sells which almost every game has in the past 5 years.
Apparently we have nothing better to do than argue about whether some game that isn't even close to launching will, at some point in the distant future, eventually be pay to win.
Cause its always smart to worry about p2w when we actually play it....? But you do bring up an interesting point about the timing. Personally I feel the game 'should' be in a beta state in about 2 years given the team's size and progress so far, especially since they are planning to introduce a lot of big systems while trying to see how other systems interact with each other (such as the new combat system with big battles and so on). Stuff like that takes at least a few months for each phase to be done 'properly.' Announcing a publisher does seem a bit premature on their part since a lot of testing still hasn't been done and just signals to me that they are trying to rush things a good bit or trying to hasten 'early access' sells which almost every game has in the past 5 years.
I don't know about you, but pay to win is hardly the first thing I worry about. For starters, there is:
1) Will the game actually launch? 2) Will development get far enough that the game should have launched? 3) Will they implement game design decisions that could make the game fun to play? 4) Will the game be polished enough to have a chance at being good?
If the answer to any of those is "no", then I don't care if it's pay to win. This far out, I'd worry more about any of those than whether the game will be pay to win, at least if you want to worry about games that are still far away from launching. Which I don't.
My.com?? Do they have a death wish? That is even worse than a western company, picking NCsoft as their publisher... My.com is the stereotype of low quality, questionable ethics, and poor service. Look at what they did to Sky Forge, as just one of many examples. Its really too bad, as AoC looked like it might be an interesting game.
Well, lots of folks sharing who they dislike, not many positive recommendations.
Keep asking brother, nobody really knows.
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I think it would have been in their own best interest to be straight forward with this kind of information before (quote, underline) folks invested in it as a crowdfunded project. Games like this get hacked through the galaxy and back again and I have very little confidence this will be taken care of efficiently. with this news.
Not paranoia, just facts after a decade of playing mmorpgs.
Steven said in the community Q&A that discussions for a RU/EU publisher really only began in May of this year, and nothing was even close to decided until pretty recently. I imagine the new EU laws is what finalized their choice not to also self publish for EU.
I don't have high hopes for this game at all. When the person making it is one of the biggest P2W players in ArcheAge and a big fan of PvP. I shudder to think what this game is going to be like.
I'll be playing regardless of who's publishing, I can stop playing as quickly as I started if My.Com turn out to be a parasite eating the game from the inside out !
my.com "promises" this is funny, i guess they did learn from BDO how to ride on hype.
never going trust my.com especially when they don't have even enough stuff to run their forums/support.
just going to ignore AoC and move on.
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Saying something we would expect them to say,saying the right thing like a political agenda does absolutely nothing to make me a believer.
What do i actually believe in?They have a contract that is about profits for My.com and allows Intrepid the finances to make a game they promised that otherwise was likely struggling for funds.
So there is likely a new definitive timeline and no matter what state the game is in,we have a testing phase incoming then a for sale with big PR marketing campaign.
Otherwise it could simply be similar to what Trion did with AA,they simply did not want anyone else cashing in on a hyped game but have no real interest in the actual game outside of a simple contract to cash in on the game.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I’ve been following this game progress since it kickstarter days, which I didn’t backed because I got burned too many times with kickstarter games that I always get skeptical with anything that comes from there, i’m still trying to grasp why Steven and his team have made this decision, he knows about marketing and is a mmo player so he should know how bad a partnership with a Publisher like My.com would hurt AOC reputation.
Perhaps he ran out of options? Or My.com made him an offer too good to deny?, regardless of the truth he should had announce it to AOC community first, to try and find an alternative solution or to soften the blow at least.
Maybe they're afraid of announcing Trion as the NA publisher, so they're gonna wait a few months.
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1) Will the game actually launch?
2) Will development get far enough that the game should have launched?
3) Will they implement game design decisions that could make the game fun to play?
4) Will the game be polished enough to have a chance at being good?
If the answer to any of those is "no", then I don't care if it's pay to win. This far out, I'd worry more about any of those than whether the game will be pay to win, at least if you want to worry about games that are still far away from launching. Which I don't.
Steven said in the community Q&A that discussions for a RU/EU publisher really only began in May of this year, and nothing was even close to decided until pretty recently. I imagine the new EU laws is what finalized their choice not to also self publish for EU.
never going trust my.com especially when they don't have even enough stuff to run their forums/support.
just going to ignore AoC and move on.