Just...wow. I can't believe what must be going through the dad's head right now. I mean he just wanted to stop the kid from gaming, and ended up with atempted murder. The "kid" is 22 though...He can do what he wants in his sparetime.
Im not sure which side to take; because it seems to be a growing problem with early 20 year olds to stay at home not work and sit infront of the computer all day. It sounds like the son was one of those 22 year olds. It could have been dealt with differently, but atleast the father was taking some serious action to get his son away from the computer.
Cleffy, you're a fool if you actually think the father was justified in pulling a gun on his kid for not taking out the damn laundry. If he threatened to kick the kid out of the house it would be no big deal, but there's a world of difference between telling someome to move out and threatening to kill him. You pull a gun when your life is in danger, not to get someome to do the laundry. If you think it's even debateably OK to threaten to kill someome for not doing the laundry, could you tell me which other houshold chores do you think warrant deadly force?
And for the other people talking about the story, where are you getting that the kid was grossly irresponsible and lazy? Nothing in the story says that he didn't have a job, didn't do responsabilities, etc. - all the father claimed was that the son hadn't done the laundry. While I don't like people who just leech off of their parents, there's nothing wrong with a family living together past some arbitrary age. I know several people who lived at home, helped out with the bills as much as their parents wanted, and used the money saved from not renting an apartment for the down payment on a house when they did move out. I personally moved out of my parents' house at 19 and have been supporting myself ever since, but I don't see why everyone should be obligated to take that path.
Originally posted by Pantastic Cleffy, you're a fool if you actually think the father was justified in pulling a gun on his kid for not taking out the damn laundry. If he threatened to kick the kid out of the house it would be no big deal, but there's a world of difference between telling someome to move out and threatening to kill him. You pull a gun when your life is in danger, not to get someome to do the laundry. If you think it's even debateably OK to threaten to kill someome for not doing the laundry, could you tell me which other houshold chores do you think warrant deadly force? And for the other people talking about the story, where are you getting that the kid was grossly irresponsible and lazy? Nothing in the story says that he didn't have a job, didn't do responsabilities, etc. - all the father claimed was that the son hadn't done the laundry. While I don't like people who just leech off of their parents, there's nothing wrong with a family living together past some arbitrary age. I know several people who lived at home, helped out with the bills as much as their parents wanted, and used the money saved from not renting an apartment for the down payment on a house when they did move out. I personally moved out of my parents' house at 19 and have been supporting myself ever since, but I don't see why everyone should be obligated to take that path.
QFT....age of the victim has nothing to do with a idiot father not being man enough to use some other form of communication to get his point across. It's funny how people take vague or non-existent information and run with it as fact.
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HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! thats funny yet soo sad.. I know this is a little off topic but I can remember back when I was growing up I knew this kid that had really strict parents.. well one day he brought home bad grades and his dad made him watch as he drove over his 2600 with the family car... i think it messed him up a little since after that he always seemed a little depressed... poor kid
Originally posted by Pantastic Cleffy, you're a fool if you actually think the father was justified in pulling a gun on his kid for not taking out the damn laundry. If he threatened to kick the kid out of the house it would be no big deal, but there's a world of difference between telling someome to move out and threatening to kill him. You pull a gun when your life is in danger, not to get someome to do the laundry. If you think it's even debateably OK to threaten to kill someome for not doing the laundry, could you tell me which other houshold chores do you think warrant deadly force? And for the other people talking about the story, where are you getting that the kid was grossly irresponsible and lazy? Nothing in the story says that he didn't have a job, didn't do responsabilities, etc. - all the father claimed was that the son hadn't done the laundry. While I don't like people who just leech off of their parents, there's nothing wrong with a family living together past some arbitrary age. I know several people who lived at home, helped out with the bills as much as their parents wanted, and used the money saved from not renting an apartment for the down payment on a house when they did move out. I personally moved out of my parents' house at 19 and have been supporting myself ever since, but I don't see why everyone should be obligated to take that path.
I seriously doubt he pulled out the gun to shoot his son, he most likely pulled it out to shoot the computer... so wtf are you talking about?
(I am not saying what he did was ok, it was absolutely rediculous. He could of shot his son, whether he ment to or not, but i doubt he got his gun out for the purpose of shooting his son)
People are too soft. The son was 22, he was a man who should not even be in the house anymore. Still he never tried to shoot the gun; he didn't even know it was loaded until it discharged. It was just the threaten the son or get him away from the computer. Not to mention the bullet wasn't anywhere close to actually hitting the son. If the man was trying to hit him; his aim was really lousy to be 3 feet off at nearly point blank.
SLNTASN, I'm not sure what your reply has to do with the quoted material - if you pull a gun and point it in someome's general direction in an argument, you're threatening deadly force against that person. Especially when your stated intent is to shoot an object less than 2 feet away from them which they are sitting in front of.
Originally posted by Cleffy
People are too soft. [/quote]
You're saying we're all a bunch of sofites for thinking that threatening deadly force against someome for failure to do the laundry is inappropriate behavior? LOL.
Still he never tried to shoot the gun;
Unture according to the newspaper story; he both tried and succeeded in shooting the gun. Where is your source that says the article is completely wrong on this point?
he didn't even know it was loaded until it discharged.
Then he should get his sentence doubled for not understanding the most basic rules of gun safety. Either you know for sure that it is unloaded because you've personally checked, or you treat the gun as if it's loaded. "I didn't know it was loaded" is no excuse, you may as well argue that you didn't know a bullet would hurt someome.
It was just the threaten the son or get him away from the computer.
Threatening someome with a gun is threatening them with deadly force, there's no middle ground here. So, again, what household chores other than laundry justify threats of deadly force?
Not to mention the bullet wasn't anywhere close to actually hitting the son. If the man was trying to hit him; his aim was really lousy to be 3 feet off at nearly point blank.
I suspect I'm feeding a troll at this point, but I figured I'd put the rest up just in case. I mean, we're talking about someome not doing the laundry, and you're trying to justify firing a gun in the course of an argument over the laundry because the bullet impacted 3 feet from the victim.
Originally posted by ianubisi The only time you should ever be willing to use a gun to make your point is when you are either willing to kill someone or willing to die...because chances are either will happen.
I agree on this...
temptation is always in our mind so when your black-out and holding something and your really annoyed with someone..then that's the time that tendencies occur...tendency to kill people because mentally black-out..
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Originally posted by Cleffy People are too soft. The son was 22, he was a man who should not even be in the house anymore. Still he never tried to shoot the gun; he didn't even know it was loaded until it discharged. It was just the threaten the son or get him away from the computer. Not to mention the bullet wasn't anywhere close to actually hitting the son. If the man was trying to hit him; his aim was really lousy to be 3 feet off at nearly point blank.
You don't pull a gun out on anyone period. Try pulling that same stunt with a cop because you got a ticket and lets see what happens. Guns are not toys and should be treated with extreme respect. Even when you think a gun is not loaded you should always treat it as if it was loaded. Anyone in the military, police force or who is responsible and has handled a firearm knows that you do not use a gun in such a childish manner just to prove a point.
Many people have died because they did not respect what firearms could do if misused. Also you fail to realize that bullets sometimes do not stop when they hit a target. While the article might not talk about where the bullet ended up the chance is there that a bullet might of kept on going and gone through the walls of the home and into the street. The chance is there that it could of killed someone and thats not a chance that should be taken ever. If this would of happened then this idiot would of been responsible for a death. Again a gun is not a toy and if you misuse a gun you deserve to face the consequences for your actions and the full wrath of the judicial court system, especially if you are a adult who should know better.
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Someone get this guy's number from long distance info and call him and ask him what he was playing, his last name and city are listed. Must be a good MMO.
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The kid would take a bullet for gaming
Cleffy, you're a fool if you actually think the father was justified in pulling a gun on his kid for not taking out the damn laundry. If he threatened to kick the kid out of the house it would be no big deal, but there's a world of difference between telling someome to move out and threatening to kill him. You pull a gun when your life is in danger, not to get someome to do the laundry. If you think it's even debateably OK to threaten to kill someome for not doing the laundry, could you tell me which other houshold chores do you think warrant deadly force?
And for the other people talking about the story, where are you getting that the kid was grossly irresponsible and lazy? Nothing in the story says that he didn't have a job, didn't do responsabilities, etc. - all the father claimed was that the son hadn't done the laundry. While I don't like people who just leech off of their parents, there's nothing wrong with a family living together past some arbitrary age. I know several people who lived at home, helped out with the bills as much as their parents wanted, and used the money saved from not renting an apartment for the down payment on a house when they did move out. I personally moved out of my parents' house at 19 and have been supporting myself ever since, but I don't see why everyone should be obligated to take that path.
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I seriously doubt he pulled out the gun to shoot his son, he most likely pulled it out to shoot the computer... so wtf are you talking about?
(I am not saying what he did was ok, it was absolutely rediculous. He could of shot his son, whether he ment to or not, but i doubt he got his gun out for the purpose of shooting his son)
SLNTASN, I'm not sure what your reply has to do with the quoted material - if you pull a gun and point it in someome's general direction in an argument, you're threatening deadly force against that person. Especially when your stated intent is to shoot an object less than 2 feet away from them which they are sitting in front of.
People are too soft. [/quote]You're saying we're all a bunch of sofites for thinking that threatening deadly force against someome for failure to do the laundry is inappropriate behavior? LOL.
Unture according to the newspaper story; he both tried and succeeded in shooting the gun. Where is your source that says the article is completely wrong on this point?
Then he should get his sentence doubled for not understanding the most basic rules of gun safety. Either you know for sure that it is unloaded because you've personally checked, or you treat the gun as if it's loaded. "I didn't know it was loaded" is no excuse, you may as well argue that you didn't know a bullet would hurt someome.
Threatening someome with a gun is threatening them with deadly force, there's no middle ground here. So, again, what household chores other than laundry justify threats of deadly force?
I suspect I'm feeding a troll at this point, but I figured I'd put the rest up just in case. I mean, we're talking about someome not doing the laundry, and you're trying to justify firing a gun in the course of an argument over the laundry because the bullet impacted 3 feet from the victim.
temptation is always in our mind so when your black-out and holding something and your really annoyed with someone..then that's the time that tendencies occur...tendency to kill people because mentally black-out..
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You don't pull a gun out on anyone period. Try pulling that same stunt with a cop because you got a ticket and lets see what happens. Guns are not toys and should be treated with extreme respect. Even when you think a gun is not loaded you should always treat it as if it was loaded. Anyone in the military, police force or who is responsible and has handled a firearm knows that you do not use a gun in such a childish manner just to prove a point.
Many people have died because they did not respect what firearms could do if misused. Also you fail to realize that bullets sometimes do not stop when they hit a target. While the article might not talk about where the bullet ended up the chance is there that a bullet might of kept on going and gone through the walls of the home and into the street. The chance is there that it could of killed someone and thats not a chance that should be taken ever. If this would of happened then this idiot would of been responsible for a death. Again a gun is not a toy and if you misuse a gun you deserve to face the consequences for your actions and the full wrath of the judicial court system, especially if you are a adult who should know better.
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Someone get this guy's number from long distance info and call him and ask him what he was playing, his last name and city are listed.
Must be a good MMO.
No, that dad is just sick in the head. If a group of mom's or something made a public statment, well, then I'd be upset