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MMORPG.com : General : Nostalgia & Indie MMOs - TheHiveLeader

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edited August 2018 in Videos Discussion

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  • MitaraMitara Member UncommonPosts: 755
    edited August 2018
    Nice video, but... what MMOs? No comments.. looks like even this video has been abandoned...
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,993
    edited August 2018
    Mitara said:
    Nice video, but... what MMOs? No comments.. looks like even this video has been abandoned...
    The MMO's they talked about/showed?

    I saw the video on Youtube so not sure what to say. I agree that there are developers who want to reset things and that players who are interested in a sort of "new start" for mmo's are going to have to make due with indy mmo quality until such time as larger studios decide to make them again. If they decide to make them again.

    As long as the game world is huge and interesting I'm good with indy developers taking the reins for the foreseeable future.

    Some people talk about "nostalgia" and looking back at the past with rose colored glasses; but I strongly suspect it's because "they" can't see themselves playing them. I'm not sure why their idea of an unwanted game experience necessarily has to be everyone's idea.


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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    Pantheon is the one I'm looking forward to.
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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Good video Hive , and i agree with alot of your points and have been stating many of the same here for quite some time..

    The genre is returning to its roots , and 1 because as you said All these Big MMos erhmm have faltered , the longevity of the genre lies in UO,EQ,Eve,Runescape, DAOC, Anarchy online, they are realizing that there is something to these games a deeper more immersive World , There are reasons these are longest running games while many newer games close up or barely hold on ..

    Each of these examples delivers a rich Immersive persistent World ..

    SOTA did not stick to the formula , there game is fragmented and attached to a P2W shop .. The examples above are cohesive worlds , where Combat/Crafting /Exploration and Lore all work together to deliver a much better World ...

    There is a market for this type of game and its not just Nostalgia at all ..

    Gran Skre is coming along nicely been having fun with that myself ..

    All the games i listed above are better MMORPgs than anything else offered today , and ive played them all to end game .. But you know what im playing today .. UO and have been for 20 years , its still has more player activities and a more immersive persistent world than any of the modern games of the genre ..

    Il include AC in that list as well altho it closed down this year , i believe with just 1 remastering it could have held on another 10 years .. RIP AC

    There is some really good MMO minds behind the Indie games you have mentioned and steering the ship in the right direction ..

    The Genre is returning to its roots , to creating worlds...



  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Sovrath said:
    Mitara said:
    Nice video, but... what MMOs? No comments.. looks like even this video has been abandoned...
    The MMO's they talked about/showed?

    I saw the video on Youtube so not sure what to say. I agree that there are developers who want to reset things and that players who are interested in a sort of "new start" for mmo's are going to have to make due with indy mmo quality until such time as larger studios decide to make them again. If they decide to make them again.

    As long as the game world is huge and interesting I'm good with indy developers taking the reins for the foreseeable future.

    Some people talk about "nostalgia" and looking back at the past with rose colored glasses; but I strongly suspect it's because "they" can't see themselves playing them. I'm not sure why their idea of an unwanted game experience necessarily has to be everyone's idea.


    I don't think it's even a matter of if.  Once WoW sunsets, there will be a large, large void in the genre.  Pubs will see it.  Shuttering WoW may be THE event that reignites other pubs' interest, depending upon the circumstances of WoW's closing.

    At this time, the genre is so crowded with games that it's not a hugely profitable prospect to make an MMORPG.  The nature of the genre contributes, as MMORPGs are made to have gamers return to play consistently.

    Our genre is one that's not necessarily better served with more and more games being released.  It is to a point, but that point is much lower for MMORPGs than it is for, say, FPS multiplayer games.

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  • kitaradkitarad Member LegendaryPosts: 8,178
    Pantheon is perhaps the closest I will ever come to Everquest again.

    Hive talks about looking for a game like..... with better graphics. Yes I will confess gladly to those sentiments. I have played on Project 99 and while I enjoyed my time there the server is crowded and some of the things I genuinely hated like the end game camping by large guilds depriving all others have always stuck in the craw.

    I am looking for a reboot and I'm glad I might get it and I'm mightily happy to support the Indy games that might fulfil my fondest wishes. I don't expect it to draw hundreds of thousands but 100k is enough for me and I sincerely hope they can survive and I can find a home.

    Related imageHere's to Pantheon succeeding.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,097
    edited August 2018
    I literally have not enjoyed any MMO for a length of time greater than 2 or 3 months that wasn't first launched prior to 2005.

    A nostalgic return to the game play designs of the first era is about the only way I can see myself ever playing one again.

    Besides, as I was totally focused on a small handful of titles, I never got to play many of the major games (UO, AC1, SWG, FFXI, SWG, EQ1 etc) during their "glory days" so if someone can recreate their magic in a new MMO I'll give it a try.

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  • ScorchienScorchien Member LegendaryPosts: 8,914
    Kyleran said:
    I literally have not enjoyed any MMO for a length of time greater than 2 or 3 months that wasn't first launched prior to 2005.

    A nostalgic return to the game play designs of the first era is about the only way I can see myself ever playing one again.

    Besides, as I was totally focused on a small handful of titles, I never got to play many of the major games (UO, AC1, SWG, FFXI, SWG, EQ1 etc) during their "glory days" so if someone can recreate their magic in a new MMO I'll give it a try.
     Nothing stopping uou from playing UO,EQ, FFX1 or Anarchy Online , all are still there and altho changed over the years still offer deeper gameplay in nearly everyway than todays crop , all have acitve and helpful pops if you take the time to get involved ..If i recall you did play DAOC ...

     Of those you listed UO is an incredibly deep and rewarding experience , with more activities than any other game availible (its not even close)

     EQ is still an immersive and enjoyable journey , but top heavy and would be best if you could find a couple folks to lvl with (let me know)

      FFXI i havent played in Many years , i know its changed alot over the years , there are better here that could answer for it , namely ..Wizardry .. (i may have summoned it)

      Anarchy online still today has the argubly the deepest and most complex Character develpment with skills/implants/gear

     Unfortunatley unless you want private Emu servers RIP AC and SWG

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,097
    edited August 2018
    OG_Zorvan said:
    So what "hive" does this doofus lead and why should I care?
    Cmon, its just his edgy internet persona which all gaming streamers use. (Wait, so do basement dwelling forum members, nm)

    At least he's not the "angry" hive" or something like that. 

    Besides, he gets invited to early Pantheon playing sessions and his reviews aren't over the top sycophantic.

    I hate watching people play or talk about games, but Hive's bearable....

    Also he keeps it short, not many 3.5 hour gaming synopsis.....another plus.

    ;)

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  • MardrikMardrik Member CommonPosts: 1
    "TheHiveLeader throws in his 2 cents, which is probably worth even less" u mad bro? c'mon it's just an video opion xD
  • TheHiveLeaderTheHiveLeader Video MaestroMember RarePosts: 234

    Mardrik said:

    "TheHiveLeader throws in his 2 cents, which is probably worth even less" u mad bro? c'mon it's just an video opion xD



    I wrote that :-P Self deprecation is fun

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,097
    OG_Zorvan said:
    Kyleran said:
    OG_Zorvan said:
    So what "hive" does this doofus lead and why should I care?
    Cmon, its just his edgy internet persona which all gaming streamers use. (Wait, so do basement dwelling forum members, nm)

    At least he's not the "angry" hive" or something like that. 

    Besides, he gets invited to early Pantheon playing sessions and his reviews aren't over the top sycophantic.

    I hate watching people play or talk about games, but Hive's bearable....

    Also he keeps it short, not many 3.5 hour gaming synopsis.....another plus.

    ;)
    Did you just assume my dwelling place? 
    Naw, I was referring to myself, your forum name isn't very edgy afterall.

    ;)
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