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Future of the Russian Version of Black Desert Online Hangs in the Balance - MMORPG.com

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129
edited September 2018 in News & Features Discussion

imageFuture of the Russian Version of Black Desert Online Hangs in the Balance - MMORPG.com

The Russian version of Black Desert Online hangs in the balance. The official RU BDO forum has a new post from the team that informs players that the contract with Pearl Abyss ends on October 12th and that, while negotiations are still ongoing between GameNet and Pearl Abyss, servers may go offline on that date pending a restart "outside the platform". At this time there is no word on how the discussions between the two companies is going.

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  • HappyOrangeHappyOrange Member UncommonPosts: 5
    > Black Desert Online is very important to us, and we want BDO to last for another 20-30 years.
    but not the Russian server ;)
    doomexwingoodciely
  • nastilonnastilon Member UncommonPosts: 152
    I don't care how you spin it; this game is nothing short of predatory. It's even worse than blowing away money at a casino. It's just a matter of time before some politician gets wind of it and wants to make it a platform issue.
    Kyleranciely
  • RolanStormRolanStorm Member UncommonPosts: 198
    edited September 2018
    *slowclap* GameNet for the win. :D

    It was train wreck from day one (well, to be honest even earlier - there was pre-launch issues with bundles) and now it is probably over.
    Alomar
  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Pearl Abyss have probably raised the price for the franchise rights for that region, and GameNet are refusing to pay... :D
    Phry
  • ananitananit Member RarePosts: 293
    isn't the russian version the least p2w of all the versions around ? (they have access to a lot of things for hunter seals whereas the rest of the world must pay real money, kamaboost for silver, etc)
    if that's the case and the pieces of shit at PA want to force the russian publisher to use the global p2w as fuck version (which is their goal according to the last few dev letters. a global united version for the sake of 'easier updates'. lets not kid ourselves, it's for more p2w obviously) and the russians don't want to, that might explain this whole thing.
    AlomarwingoodCaffynated
  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    ananit said:
    isn't the russian version the least p2w of all the versions around ? (they have access to a lot of things for hunter seals whereas the rest of the world must pay real money, kamaboost for silver, etc)
    if that's the case and the pieces of shit at PA want to force the russian publisher to use the global p2w as fuck version (which is their goal according to the last few dev letters. a global united version for the sake of 'easier updates'. lets not kid ourselves, it's for more p2w obviously) and the russians don't want to, that might explain this whole thing.
    Sounds to me like they just need to make the global united version follow after the Russian one. Not the other way around. 

    Problem solved. 
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  • ananitananit Member RarePosts: 293



    ananit said:

    isn't the russian version the least p2w of all the versions around ? (they have access to a lot of things for hunter seals whereas the rest of the world must pay real money, kamaboost for silver, etc)

    if that's the case and the pieces of shit at PA want to force the russian publisher to use the global p2w as fuck version (which is their goal according to the last few dev letters. a global united version for the sake of 'easier updates'. lets not kid ourselves, it's for more p2w obviously) and the russians don't want to, that might explain this whole thing.


    Sounds to me like they just need to make the global united version follow after the Russian one. Not the other way around. 

    Problem solved. 



    yeah that's never going to happen ...
    these guys are greedy beyond belief.
    greed and incompetence is what made what could have been one of the best mmo into that shitty virtual casino we have here.
    not surprising knowing that it's an asian mmo produced by an asian company and these guys are all ok with heavy p2w and gambling in their games. it's part of their 'culture' and it's probably never going to change.
  • LustsLusts Member RarePosts: 205

    nastilon said:

    I don't care how you spin it; this game is nothing short of predatory. It's even worse than blowing away money at a casino. It's just a matter of time before some politician gets wind of it and wants to make it a platform issue.



    And pray tell, what issue would politicians have with this game? There is nothing illegal going on with Black Desert. The worst Black Desert has going for it is a pay to win cash shop, and expensive prices for cosmetics. These things are not illegal. There are no gambling mechanics in Black Desert Online. When you buy something on Black Desert, you get exactly what you pay for. How you use what you paid for is on you. Gambling mechanics would mean paying for a 'chance' at an item. And before you spout "Well you buy Valk's Cry for a chance at enhancing your weapon", you're not paying to enhance the weapon. You're paying for a Valk's Cry.

    Also, I love how everyone is already making assumptions on why the contract hasn't been renewed yet and instantly throwing blame on Pearl Abyss. I am not a fan of Black Desert's practices either, but a lot of you are jumping the gun way too fast here. Making a judgement instantly based on reputation / history is like treating someone like a criminal / felon for having a traffic ticket. All you guys see is a record, so therefore it's true apparently. Y'all should really be logical about this. Reputation / History should only make you cautious, not outright hate something.

    That being said, a lot of you fail to understand.. Pearl Abyss is the one that controls these games. Not the Russian Publisher, not Kakao Games. They just publish the game. Pearl Abyss has full creative control over the game. What they say goes in, or what they say isn't allowed, is how the Publishers have to follow. It's always like that for any Asian MMO you see that gets published here in the west. Pearl Abyss is the one that approved how Russia monetized their region.

    If you guys actually did some research, you'd come to find that Russia's version of BDO also had a similar priced cash shop with Pay to Win elements and supposedly a premium monthly subscription server where everything on the cash shop was made obtainable through gameplay. So it either pay a monthly fee, or deal with a Free to Play cash shop. Also, if you look into who GameNet actually are, they are a casino based company. The majority of their assets are casinos, slot machines, betting sites / systems, on top of their online video game history. With that said, GameNet isn't really pulling in any revenue. Their stock has pretty much flat-lined, or dropped slightly. Pearl Abyss probably sees this as a non-profitable endeavor which is why the license to publish BDO in Russia is in the balance.
    NeoyoshiLiljnaPhry
  • PsyckedPsycked Member UncommonPosts: 110
    Let's remember if the Russian BDO shuts down we will get all the Russian hackers
    Reverielle

    I am the Cannon Fodder God

  • cielyciely Member UncommonPosts: 124
    edited September 2018
    wait the russian version is completely free but it has less p2w? wtf! they must be afraid of russia and because we all know the korean developers think we're tools XD
    [Deleted User]
  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,496
    edited September 2018
    Something tells me that this isn't the whole story, and someone, somewhere is just trying to save-face.

    No sane person in this industry wants or enjoys drawing out or spinning drama-yarns concerning their game they either own or publish, so we'll likely not get the whole story until long after-the-fact.


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  • NeoyoshiNeoyoshi Member RarePosts: 1,496

    Lusts said:



    nastilon said:


    I don't care how you spin it; this game is nothing short of predatory. It's even worse than blowing away money at a casino. It's just a matter of time before some politician gets wind of it and wants to make it a platform issue.






    And pray tell, what issue would politicians have with this game? There is nothing illegal going on with Black Desert. The worst Black Desert has going for it is a pay to win cash shop, and expensive prices for cosmetics. These things are not illegal. There are no gambling mechanics in Black Desert Online. When you buy something on Black Desert, you get exactly what you pay for. How you use what you paid for is on you. Gambling mechanics would mean paying for a 'chance' at an item. And before you spout "Well you buy Valk's Cry for a chance at enhancing your weapon", you're not paying to enhance the weapon. You're paying for a Valk's Cry.



    Also, I love how everyone is already making assumptions on why the contract hasn't been renewed yet and instantly throwing blame on Pearl Abyss. I am not a fan of Black Desert's practices either, but a lot of you are jumping the gun way too fast here. Making a judgement instantly based on reputation / history is like treating someone like a criminal / felon for having a traffic ticket. All you guys see is a record, so therefore it's true apparently. Y'all should really be logical about this. Reputation / History should only make you cautious, not outright hate something.



    That being said, a lot of you fail to understand.. Pearl Abyss is the one that controls these games. Not the Russian Publisher, not Kakao Games. They just publish the game. Pearl Abyss has full creative control over the game. What they say goes in, or what they say isn't allowed, is how the Publishers have to follow. It's always like that for any Asian MMO you see that gets published here in the west. Pearl Abyss is the one that approved how Russia monetized their region.



    If you guys actually did some research, you'd come to find that Russia's version of BDO also had a similar priced cash shop with Pay to Win elements and supposedly a premium monthly subscription server where everything on the cash shop was made obtainable through gameplay. So it either pay a monthly fee, or deal with a Free to Play cash shop. Also, if you look into who GameNet actually are, they are a casino based company. The majority of their assets are casinos, slot machines, betting sites / systems, on top of their online video game history. With that said, GameNet isn't really pulling in any revenue. Their stock has pretty much flat-lined, or dropped slightly. Pearl Abyss probably sees this as a non-profitable endeavor which is why the license to publish BDO in Russia is in the balance.



    Also, i just want to say, i love insightful people. :) Thank you.
    Lusts


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  • axtrantiaxtranti Member UncommonPosts: 97

    ananit said:

    isn't the russian version the least p2w of all the versions around ? (they have access to a lot of things for hunter seals whereas the rest of the world must pay real money, kamaboost for silver, etc)

    if that's the case and the pieces of shit at PA want to force the russian publisher to use the global p2w as fuck version (which is their goal according to the last few dev letters. a global united version for the sake of 'easier updates'. lets not kid ourselves, it's for more p2w obviously) and the russians don't want to, that might explain this whole thing.



    Russian isn't the least p2w version, NA was the least p2w until custom melting was implemented.

    asdasdasd

  • TheScavengerTheScavenger Member EpicPosts: 3,321
    Good. Won't say what I want since I'd be banned, so I'll just say...I'm glad they are losing their game. I hope more companies in general do that to them.
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  • ManestreamManestream Member UncommonPosts: 941
    thing is, if they give them leeway, what would that mean for the Rest of teh world, would they want to keep the P2W version or want it dropped.... As for me i refuse to use in game shops for real money... there a complete rip off and p2w
  • celtwulfceltwulf Member UncommonPosts: 61
    edited September 2018
    I don't play BDO so I don't really have a horse in this race, however I do find it funny that some of the people on this thread is making it out that Russia is fighting some greater evil for the benefit of all mankind. Some of the above post were just hilarious. As someone pointed out earlier there is probably a lot to the story behind the scenes that we haven't heard yet.
    Post edited by celtwulf on
  • WellspringWellspring Member EpicPosts: 1,464
    axtranti said:

    ananit said:

    isn't the russian version the least p2w of all the versions around ? (they have access to a lot of things for hunter seals whereas the rest of the world must pay real money, kamaboost for silver, etc)

    if that's the case and the pieces of shit at PA want to force the russian publisher to use the global p2w as fuck version (which is their goal according to the last few dev letters. a global united version for the sake of 'easier updates'. lets not kid ourselves, it's for more p2w obviously) and the russians don't want to, that might explain this whole thing.



    Russian isn't the least p2w version, NA was the least p2w until custom melting was implemented.
    So what you're saying is... the Russian version IS the least P2W version. Got it! :wink:
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  • ananitananit Member RarePosts: 293

    tzervo said:



    Lusts said:



    And before you spout "Well you buy Valk's Cry for a chance at enhancing your weapon", you're not paying to enhance the weapon. You're paying for a Valk's Cry.



    @Lusts, I agree with what you said apart from the above. In casinos we also buy chips, we do not buy a chance to win. It is still gambling. If I am buying A, which servers the sole purpose of doing B, and B has a random chance, I am still getting random value for what I buy. There is a direct connection between what I pay (cash shop items) and a random chance to get the effect I want (a chance to get a successful enhancement).




    i'm no lawyer or expert on gambling but you can legally cash out your chips in a casino, you can't do that in bdo.
    and i think this is why nothing much has been done regarding predatory monetization in videogames. outdated gambling laws and what defines gambling in general.
    the only case where something was done was counter strike skin gambling/betting sites where you could actually 'legally' (grey area since it was something new) cash out on your virtual goods, making it fall somehow under gambling laws or close to it. that's why valve stepped in before it escalated too much.
    there is hope though, belgium is fighting loot boxes in video games and one can only hope other countries would follow.
    [Deleted User]
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