All Out PvP vs Realm PvP

Varangarian · April 2006

Though it already seems that Mythic is bent on Realm PvP is anyone other then me hopeing for some more "open" PvP. Personelly I'd like something a bit more like Shadowbane where you can be attacked by anyone anywhere, regardless of faction. I realize thats not the direction this game is going at all but I would hope for more PvP rather then just Realm PvP. Maybe Guild wars or something like EQ had. That would be awesome imo.

Maybe even evil with in evil fighting (and vice versa for good). Like Chaos raiding the Dark Elves or DE needs some orky slaves. Maybe don't allow evil to take another evi'ls capitol but raids and normal PvP would be awesome. Course they're should be some event that allows a temporary truce/allaince vs the real enemy (good in this case). Good of course doesn't get along either, elves are arrogant, dwarves greedy, and humans reckless.

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Volkmar · April 2006

I think a fully opened pvp system would not be good for WAR, but I can very well see as a possibility to have intra-factions "guild wars". It is a great tool for both Roleplaying and training purposes. As such, it should not grant any of the benefits associated with normal realm RvR (like rewards and loot from the defeated enemies), but just exist as a possibility for the players to enjoy some intra-faction conflict.

Solution9 · April 2006

The only group who should be able to attack eachother should be the orks.

EliasThorne · April 2006

I don't think as many people actually want open PvP as it might seem at first glance, I think the open PvP crowd feel they aren't served by the current decent MMOs and are as such looking around and voicing their wishes in every forum they can find.

The gamer who is content on the other hand tends to keep pretty quiet unless provoked, this all leads to a somewhat skewed view of what players want, which in turn leads to poor design choices.

Anyway polls are good, people dont have to step forward and risk a flaming for voicing an opinion so thats for that

Duskfall · April 2006

Open PvP is nice. Like in WoW (wow sux imo) theres good PvP system from some parts. Safe zones are good and I think they are MUST to exist. No fun if.. lets say you are just starting and you have like level 8 human and level 87 mean and ugly orc comes and kills you.. no no no.. its not fun at all.
There should also be areas that could be conquered by sides. Castles/keeps what can be captured by guild. Places where guilds can build up their own keep. Wide open battlefields where can the "big wars" be battle, like guild vs guild etc. It would be cool and unseen, that the capital cities are heavily attacked by other sides. Just imagine epic fights like in LoTR (movie) to rage in WAR. Massive orc orc army attack to humans. They should also include vechiles in WAR, something what could be used in battles, like tanks and men transporters etc.
Ofcourse all this requires a lot of power from your toasters and the servers. It would be massive MMOSRPG, new word from me (Massively Multiplayer Online Strategy Roleplaying Game). Your Faction can spread it wings and claim new areas to it or suffer lose and get smaller.

I guess Im just dreaming something like this, no-one is willing to make game like this, if its even possible yet. Till then.. this epic game lives in my mind

Nihilis · April 2006

Originally posted by Varangarian

Like Chaos raiding the Dark Elves or DE needs some orky slaves.

1) Don't ever refer to Orcs as "orkys" ever again.
2) I don't like your idea of races that are allied with each other raiding each other. If this was allowed to exist it wouldn't be the same game. It's supposed to be side 1 vs. side 2 not a free for all.

M1sf1t · April 2006

WAR like DAOC is a faction based world and thus FFA PvP wouldn't work to well IMHO. I'd rather have a DAOC style RvR system as it has been proven to work and work well. If you want lowbie ganking FFA PvP then L2 is the perfect game for those looking to gank everyone they run into that can't defend themselves. Instead of a FFA PvP system I think a GvG would be better IMHO along side the RvR faction PvP system. You can go PvP with other guilds if you are in a guild and declare WAR on said guild as a guild. You should also be able to form alliances etc...but again only against others in guilds.

Vrashk · April 2006

Originally posted by Nihilis

Originally posted by Varangarian

Like Chaos raiding the Dark Elves or DE needs some orky slaves.

1) Don't ever refer to Orcs as "orkys" ever again.
2) I don't like your idea of races that are allied with each other raiding each other. If this was allowed to exist it wouldn't be the same game. It's supposed to be side 1 vs. side 2 not a free for all.

Nah, it wouldn't be the same game.. It would be a bit more like Warhammer.

And I agree with Misfit, I know some people wouldn't like an FFA-PvP-system and see the downsides, with a guild-war system, those who want FFA internal PvP would be allowed to, since guild wars are consentual.

Greyface · May 2006

Hey OP: Can you use a smaller font? I could actually read some of your post.

Seriously though, team-killing sucks.

Senden · May 2006

As people have stated, faction based games don't go with FFA rules, I liked how WoW had the gurubashi arena which was ffa, WAR should include such a feature but maybe have even a whole area for it instead of just one arena?

-Akkarin- · May 2006

I've played guild wars for a while now but i really dont like the pvp as you are restricted in one area and the max people you can have against each other is 12 vs 12. When I played WoW I really liked the open pvp because you could go to a place where it could be 50 vs 50 or you could simply just have a bit of fun and go to a place where you know your not going to get slaughtered. Ive never played DAoC but from what I've heard lots of people liked the RvR idea.

Vrashk · May 2006

For the record..

Guild War = A feature in many mmmorpgs which means a number of guilds declare war on eachother, to expose their member to FFA pvp between the corresponding guilds.

Guild Wars = Game which I never played, but which by seems to have pretty lame pvp.. and gameplay in general, not a "real" mmorpg.

Rodzilla · May 2006

In the early days of DAoC realm pride was strong and everyone worked ( or at least tryed) to help out the realm. The game had a really good comunity and pvp meant somthing other then just random ganking. There are plenty of open pvp or guild ( clan) war games as is.

Vrashk · May 2006

Originally posted by Senden
As people have stated, faction based games don't go with FFA rules, I liked how WoW had the gurubashi arena which was ffa, WAR should include such a feature but maybe have even a whole area for it instead of just one arena?

Such as? (And I want games which have not been butchered beyond recognition by their dev teams)

Ceclis · May 2006

Dont quote me on this, but im sure mythic will have areas like DF in WAR, that is an open PVP area (although there isnt a ton of pvp in DF, but it is still open pvp). And knowing mythic, and how serious they are about this project and about being leaders in the PVP world, im sure this games system will satisfy every blood thirsty pvp maniac out there

facesmasha · May 2006

I think regular RvR like in DAoC would work the best. And I wouldnt mind if they threw in the option to have Guild Wars against enemies of yours, however I can see how that might negatively impact the RvR.

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