Jake Song, 'I Was Shocked by the News About Trion Worlds' & ArcheAge - MMORPG.com

SBFord · November 2018

Jake Song, 'I Was Shocked by the News About Trion Worlds' & ArcheAge - MMORPG.com

The ArcheAge forum has a new letter posted from XLGames' Jake Song. In it, he mentions how shocked he was by the news that Trion had been sold to Gamigo but that he and the team will work with the new owners to "stabilize the game service & launch the 5.0 Update as quickly as possible".

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asnow · November 2018

AA came from 2.000.000 user, to 50 player online, no need to be shocked 3 years later...

Scorchien · November 2018

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake..... Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now .. But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

borghive49 · November 2018

Get rid of the p2w stuff and the game would flourish again.

vegetableoil · November 2018

he cares only when it comes to his own pocket getting rattled.

nolic1 · November 2018

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

Kyleran · November 2018

vegetableoil said:

he cares only when it comes to his own pocket getting rattled.

Err, this surprises you?

Weird.

Albatroes · November 2018

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

They know the population of the game will be up considerably if they do sub only (Hell Bless Online pulled 30k day one even though it was complete garbage). The problem is, 10-20 whales that play the game now will pull in more than 10-30k people just paying 15$ a month. Greed is greed.

Kyleran · November 2018

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

People keep claiming "no one" is playing AA, yet the game keeps getting updates and Jake resists these sure fire suggestions to make the game a huge hit.

Weird.

Perhaps his company is just a "Jo-Pok" money laundering front, I dunno?

Scorchien · November 2018

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

Its not 1 single ounce of specualtion ..imo ..

If they launched a Sub only Server tommorrow , with cosmetic shop only It would be the most populated server ARcheage has tommorow /period .... not a doubt in my mind , And i think it would retain well for at least 8-12 months ...While they work on an expansion focusing more PVE ..

Albatroes · November 2018

Kyleran said:

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

People keep claiming "no one" is playing AA, yet the game keeps getting updates and Jake resists these sure fire suggestions to make the game a huge hit.

Weird.

Perhaps his company is just a "Jo-Pok" money laundering front, I dunno?

People keep claiming the population of the game is a joke, not that its not making money. You have people that remain who run 5-10 accounts and drop 1-2k a week on this game, so it terms of revenue, "its fine." Updates are driven by money, not population, besides, this game is only getting updates based on the korean version of the game which its still 6 months behind in terms of updates. So even if there was only 100 people playing, it would still be getting updated as long as those people are still paying.

molepeopo · November 2018

Albatroes said:

Kyleran said:

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

People keep claiming "no one" is playing AA, yet the game keeps getting updates and Jake resists these sure fire suggestions to make the game a huge hit.

Weird.

Perhaps his company is just a "Jo-Pok" money laundering front, I dunno?

People keep claiming the population of the game is a joke, not that its not making money. You have people that remain who run 5-10 accounts and drop 1-2k a week on this game, so it terms of revenue, "its fine." Updates are driven by money, not population, besides, this game is only getting updates based on the korean version of the game which its still 6 months behind in terms of updates. So even if there was only 100 people playing, it would still be getting updated as long as those people are still paying.

i'm thinking that if the population was fine then trion wouldn't have went under

ChildoftheShadows · November 2018

Scorchien said:

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

Its not 1 single ounce of specualtion ..imo ..

If they launched a Sub only Server tommorrow , with cosmetic shop only It would be the most populated server ARcheage has tommorow /period .... not a doubt in my mind , And i think it would retain well for at least 8-12 months ...While they work on an expansion focusing more PVE ..

This is literally called speculation.

FlyByKnight · November 2018

Why was he so shocked about anything? XL Games contributed to the demise of Trion by holding and repeatedly crushing Trions testicles when it came to making Archeage work for the western audience.

Trion's fault was selling-in that they had control over how the game would be brought stateside (just to get everyone to buy in). That was a super bold faced lie that was substantiated by the Alpha.

Jake Song is one of the most brilliant dimwits in the MMORPG genre.

Scorchien · November 2018

ChildoftheShadows said:

Scorchien said:

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

Its not 1 single ounce of specualtion ..imo ..

If they launched a Sub only Server tommorrow , with cosmetic shop only It would be the most populated server ARcheage has tommorow /period .... not a doubt in my mind , And i think it would retain well for at least 8-12 months ...While they work on an expansion focusing more PVE ..

This is literally called speculation.

I get that in its literal sense .. But its beyond any doubt to me .. at all , not one shred ..:)

Its a forgone conclusion and inevitable unavoidable result

Manestream · November 2018

Well if they had a sub only £10-12 ($15-20) and that did not just cover 1 game but all games on your platform, i for one would subscribe, as i do NOT and have NEVER liked in game shops.
Sub and get everything the game has to offer without any other hidden costs. With it covering all games on your platform that would probably pull in alot of people.

Right now its sub (or should i say patron which is the same thing) and also must use in game cash shops as well is just too freekin much and a rip off. I think thats why WoW has held #1 spot for so long, its only cosmetics on the item shop that can be traded on to others for in game gold.

I used to play RIFT, and bought some gametime cards (several) i used some and then decided to take a break for a year, when i came back i found that all my timecards i had left had expired, there was NO mention of this at all and when i complained i was told nothing we can do. SO i stopped playing. Moved on, and with defiance also being apart of it i also stopped playing that too (new version is pure P2W anyways). Archage has always been subscribe and use in game cash shop on a weekly basis which was too much.
Seems trion went and turned into we want your money but any issue's theres nothing we can do, but we still want your money. They dont care anymore about their playerbase.

Any wonder why it was sold and bought off. Players have left

Wizardry · November 2018

O'll try make this short.
1 I had some hope for AA as a good game,not out of the box but good enough to wait a bit until it got better...it never got better.
2 It needed to be changed to suit the NA gamer
3 I had ZERO confidence in Trion who was only on board because they needed the money.
Finally,Trion CLAIMED they were taking a bit to get the game in order for the NA audience,i call big time BS lies on that,it still looks and plays like a KR game.

egreen67 · November 2018

When they updated the trade pack system so that it isn't worth doing is when they lost a lot of players. They want the game so its basically pvp only and sorry but a lot of people want pve as well and it just wasn't going that way.

Albatroes · November 2018

molepeopo said:

Albatroes said:

Kyleran said:

nolic1 said:

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd

and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake.....

Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now ..

But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Sorry to say this but what you say is pure speculation in that the servers would do great with a sub but the truth is it would die just like the game is in Korea right now.

People keep claiming "no one" is playing AA, yet the game keeps getting updates and Jake resists these sure fire suggestions to make the game a huge hit.

Weird.

Perhaps his company is just a "Jo-Pok" money laundering front, I dunno?

People keep claiming the population of the game is a joke, not that its not making money. You have people that remain who run 5-10 accounts and drop 1-2k a week on this game, so it terms of revenue, "its fine." Updates are driven by money, not population, besides, this game is only getting updates based on the korean version of the game which its still 6 months behind in terms of updates. So even if there was only 100 people playing, it would still be getting updated as long as those people are still paying.

i'm thinking that if the population was fine then trion wouldn't have went under

Trion went under because of greed. Every patch for almost every game had a 150$ 'founder pack' for an update. Every Fresh Start server attempt, same deal 150$ packs. They wanted to try and make more money for with little to no effort and it caught up. They couldn't pull in new suckers and the old loyals got tired of being neglected. Rift Prime took more of their attention than the main servers, with the main servers only getting like 1-2 updates this year which were actually just old raids or something just scaled up. The disaster of Defiance, trying to relauch itself to milk the same customers twice. These are things that led to the downfall of Trion. They could've had the best game in a decade (some people believed Rift and Archeage were contenders for that at one-point in time) but if they can't properly manage stuff, those numbers you pull in, just wont stay and spend money.

Wellspring · November 2018

Scorchien said:

So the last to know ,really, many on this site specualted and discussed it within the past year .. But hes shocked ....... Thats odd and if you really want to revitalize Archeage Jake..... Give us a Sub Only Server with cosmetic only Cash Shop , we been telling ya that for 4 years now .. But that doesnt seem to get thru either..

And ill go one further Jake .. a Sub Only server for AA would crush all your other servers in Population combined if the Tech could handle it .. (or open a 2nd)

I Double Dog Dare ya!!! Jake .... DO it

Cosmetic only cash shop? While you're demanding things, why not go all-in and ask for a server with no cash shop at all.

asnow · November 2018

to be honest, Archeage is one of the best game iv played, its beautiful ect, thing is, with all those drama from years now... im not even sure a perfect server could bring back population, because the player base already know how archeage work, and this community of player is well known as the worst of all games, so... i would say 50/50 for that new server success...

craftseeker · November 2018

We seem to have lost @DMKano, he would normally be providing his take on this by now.

FlyByKnight · November 2018

asnow said:

to be honest, Archeage is one of the best game iv played, its beautiful ect, thing is, with all those drama from years now... im not even sure a perfect server could bring back population, because the player base already know how archeage work, and this community of player is well known as the worst of all games, so... i would say 50/50 for that new server success...

You're right, and this is what's frustrating about the genre. There's always some messed up catch.

Archeage was a great game... in Alpha. It became a terminal disease after that, because game developers are afraid of being accountable for how good/bad their MMORPGs are. Subscriptions are the most direct metric a game can have but requires work to maintain. Now they just micro-transaction s#!% experiences and milk cult-members until the game falls apart (which usually takes 2-3 years).

You can find the most awesome games or IPs and these devs will manage to ruin them because they need the ferrari's, cocaine, and escorts NOW, not long term.

Kyleran · November 2018

craftseeker said:

We seem to have lost @DMKano, he would normally be providing his take on this by now.

Probably out looking for a new job.

That was mean....

Superman0X · November 2018

Trion had financial issues because they were in a spending competition, and were not focused on returns. The industry has been overspending, and promising returns that were not feasible for years now. There are still a few companies still doing this, so don't be surprised when you see more announcements.

The industry started a fundamental change with the transition of SOE to Daybreak (2015?), the first big company move to a structure that actually cared whether the money spent was ever going to be returned. Since then we have seen more mergers/consolidations/buyout as companies started to fail. I would expect it to take another 2-3 years to complete... but I am already seeing interest from reasonable investors in picking up some of the pieces, and starting again.

Overall this is healthy for the industry as a whole. Sometimes people start believing their own hype, and lose touch with reality. When an industry does this, the competition drives it into a death spiral, until the unhealthy behavior catches up... which can take 10 years or more in this industry.

meonthissite · November 2018

Funny, since it wasn't a surprise to the rest of us who warned people when we played the beta of Archeage.

To break it down simply, when they started in the beta to make Archeage pay to win, the same elements in the company decided to change some things in both Trove and Rift to make it cost real money to play those games including the elimination of certain key elements needed for progression.

We were all told that we were crazy for letting people know that these changes were occurring across the entire list of games in the Trion line-up! Now we find that they pushed and pushed and pushed their playerbase away so badly that they had to sell the company, not a surprise at all really.

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