How will you play ?

delete5230 · October 2018

For me:
I have to ask myself, how do you win an mmorpg ?..... My answer to this, a long friends list, a good guild, and can I be of service to others. Speaking of contradicting myself with my personality here on this site

….. Well, I'm sorry about my behavior here. I extremely passionate about the definition of an mmorpg.

I love people,
At least in the safety of my own home. In real life I have to deal with a lot of people, I have a lot of friends and can be very social. But somehow it's different when playing a community mmorpg. The best way to describe it is "safety of my own home". This makes it sound like I'm an outcast, I'm not I just like an alternate escape.... Your probably are asking yourself, why am I talking this crap ?

Well, I'm 85% sure you could understand,
The non-gamers cant relate, they haven't found this escape, we have..... I'm not sure if its healthy, but its what we do. Newer Online games can't fill this itch.

How I'll play ?
I want to be level one for a week, I'm exaggerating but not by much. I want to understand the UI and every box that comes along with it. Spells and abilities are accumulative in a game where their IMPORTANT. I've been doing KungFu for 28 years, the instructor tells everyone to learn the stances and study them for a long time before you move on, If not they will never be strong. Very few take this advice, they want to learn the "kill move" the first day therefore they usually suck for ever. With this, a good foundation for reaction time later on. Pantheon is KungFu!

I want to be level two for a week, I'll study the chat and start making friends, again exaggerating but take my time and get "that feeling of what's truly going on" and learn how to co-exist in a new virtual world. Take in the sights and bask in it's goodness and see what every NPC in the starting zone has to say. It maybe my first to study the lore, never really did that.

In Vanilla WoW, I stayed in the Elf island for a long time. I found like minded players and made friends with them, we must have ran Ban'ethil Hollow ten times and never got sick of it, was a sad time when I had to leave Teldrassil Island. This will be my life in Pantheon.

The rest is a mystery

ConstantineMerus · October 2018

You love people? You're the only person here who hates people more than me. I guess I can start saying that too then.

I really do relate with your definition of winning an MMORPG. I guess in the long run, it's not about the game, but the players. And since I had lost my crew I have stopped playing MMOs. Although you need a meaningful world to be able to form and maintain relationships. We bind through our joy and suffering, not shallow fun. I hope Pantheon would bring that platform.

Thank you for this post. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers mate.

PS. Kung Fu black belt here, 31 years and counting.

Lokero · October 2018

I completely agree about the levels and pacing. One of the nice things about older games was that that stuff took time and wasn't just a rush to max level in a week and "finish" the game.

However, something to keep in mind: In a game with levels and slow paced levelling, those levels tend to carry more power for each +1. So, the cooperability gap between a low- and high-level will probably be massive.

Your Kung Fu analogy is actually a really great one, in this case. A master of martial arts(max level player) is way more powerful/capable than a newbie.

The difference in MMOs, though, is that there aren't unlimited classes and instructors available for newbies coming in.
The slower-paced and wider-gapped the levelling system is, the more top-heavy the game will become down the road.
Which, of course, means that newbies coming in will be in an empty classroom trying to learn from diagrams in a picture book rather than instructors and classmates.

Assuming Pantheon keeps that Prodigy system or whatever it was called, maybe that'll help a bit? But, if levelling was as slow as you are talking, then most people probably wouldn't use it.

"Hard" level systems always create a massive vacuum for players late to the party. That's why we see these newer games using level-scaling and doing away with levels to a large degree. Even though I think level-scaling is dumbest thing ever, it's better for a game than massive power gaps.
Note: By hard I am referring to levels carrying a massive power jump.

delete5230 · October 2018

However, something to keep in mind: In a game with levels and slow paced levelling, those levels tend to carry more power for each +1. So, the cooperability gap between a low- and high-level will probably be massive.

"Hard" level systems always create a massive vacuum for players late to the party. That's why we see these newer games using level-scaling and doing away with levels to a large degree. Even though I think level-scaling is dumbest thing ever, it's better for a game than massive power gaps.
Note: By hard I am referring to levels carrying a massive power jump.

This is a powerful topic within itself....Slow pace leveling and power gaps.

Things like Mega servers absolutely destroy the root foundation of what an mmorpg is "community"......Level scaling is arguably a close second. As painful as power gaps are, Mega Servers are not the answer. Same with cross realm LFG.

Would you like real life as a multi universe where some friends are in one and others are in another ?

Traditional combining servers is truly the only answer to keep community.

delete5230 · October 2018

t0nyd said:

I will hop characters in an attempt to figure out what I enjoy playing. Once I create a few characters that I like, I will slowly level each of them up, switching characters based upon my mood. I will continue leveling until I find something that I simply do not enjoy. Like if I come to the conclusion that every "insert class" is the same, I will bounce.

I look at my class decision like this:
Tank, Dps, Caster, Healer this is my big decision. Once I establish this, I'm confidant I'll get it right the first time. I'll make it a point to play only one character unless unforeseen circumstance's arise.

Wizardry · October 2018

The title is assuming we will buy and play the game already no matter what state it releases in.
FAR from the truth,i will only be playing if the game is any good,no other option.
If i see way out of line incentives to buy in early and get huge perks over other more sensible customers,then that will likely keep me away as well.

I want to support legit businesses and legit games keep any kind of gimmicks away from me.I want to see a game that is fair 100% the same for each and every player,no exceptions.That also means NO CASH SHOP.

Wellspring · October 2018

I'll try out a few different classes in alpha. Learn the ropes, report bugs, but not play too much so the game is still fresh come launch.

Launch, I'll join the FFA PvP server or closest one too it. Probably play a Ranger, unless I find another class I liked better in alpha. I'll rely mostly on PUGs for leveling. Join a neutral guild to help survive PvP. Once I get to max level (or sooner), I'll re-evaluate the guild I joined and see if it's the best fit for me. If not, I'll join a different one, probably an "evil" PvP guild.

I'm getting excited just thinking about this!

Lokero · October 2018

delete5230 said:

For me:
How I'll play ?
I want to be level one for a week, I'm exaggerating but not by much.

That brings up another topic. Nowadays, in most games, you are level 2 before you even start the game. Usually, there's some tutorial that gives you a free level or two during/upon completion.

Has there been any official comment on whether or not they plan to have some kind of tutorial instance/zone/area/intro?

Mylan12 · October 2018

I will play just like I did in EQ. I make a character go out and start the adventure and see where it leads me. I have no plans to min/max my character, get to max level as fast as I can or anything like that.
In EQ, I quickly ended up in a static style group as that just the way things went.
I leveled fast as I guess my static group was good and as a result ended up raiding a lot as their was not much else to do. I did not plan to level to level fast in it and will not plan to in this game.
I really hope they get the bard class in as that is my preferred class. If no bard then I not sure what class I will chose. Maybe something like a Dire lord as they seem interesting or maybe a druid.

lahnmir · October 2018

delete5230 said:

However, something to keep in mind: In a game with levels and slow paced levelling, those levels tend to carry more power for each +1. So, the cooperability gap between a low- and high-level will probably be massive.

"Hard" level systems always create a massive vacuum for players late to the party. That's why we see these newer games using level-scaling and doing away with levels to a large degree. Even though I think level-scaling is dumbest thing ever, it's better for a game than massive power gaps.
Note: By hard I am referring to levels carrying a massive power jump.

This is a powerful topic within itself....Slow pace leveling and power gaps.

Things like Mega servers absolutely destroy the root foundation of what an mmorpg is "community"......Level scaling is arguably a close second. As painful as power gaps are, Mega Servers are not the answer. Same with cross realm LFG.

Wtf is happening??!! I am agreeing with you...

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Octagon7711 · October 2018

If I've enjoyed myself and feel like I've gotten my monies worth, then I count that MMO as a win. Sometimes for me that may mean not even getting to max level or it may mean leveling every class to max, it depends on the dynamics of the game as I play the game within the game.

Mendel · October 2018

lahnmir said:

delete5230 said:

However, something to keep in mind: In a game with levels and slow paced levelling, those levels tend to carry more power for each +1. So, the cooperability gap between a low- and high-level will probably be massive.

"Hard" level systems always create a massive vacuum for players late to the party. That's why we see these newer games using level-scaling and doing away with levels to a large degree. Even though I think level-scaling is dumbest thing ever, it's better for a game than massive power gaps.
Note: By hard I am referring to levels carrying a massive power jump.

This is a powerful topic within itself....Slow pace leveling and power gaps.

Things like Mega servers absolutely destroy the root foundation of what an mmorpg is "community"......Level scaling is arguably a close second. As painful as power gaps are, Mega Servers are not the answer. Same with cross realm LFG.

Wtf is happening??!! I am agreeing with you...

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Seek professional medical help.

delete5230 · October 2018

lahnmir said:

delete5230 said:

However, something to keep in mind: In a game with levels and slow paced levelling, those levels tend to carry more power for each +1. So, the cooperability gap between a low- and high-level will probably be massive.

"Hard" level systems always create a massive vacuum for players late to the party. That's why we see these newer games using level-scaling and doing away with levels to a large degree. Even though I think level-scaling is dumbest thing ever, it's better for a game than massive power gaps.
Note: By hard I am referring to levels carrying a massive power jump.

This is a powerful topic within itself....Slow pace leveling and power gaps.

Things like Mega servers absolutely destroy the root foundation of what an mmorpg is "community"......Level scaling is arguably a close second. As painful as power gaps are, Mega Servers are not the answer. Same with cross realm LFG.

Wtf is happening??!! I am agreeing with you...

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

I know I'm agreeing with you.

Reading this better in the morning to see what went wrong. I should have started this with
"I agree".

Sorry for the mis communication on my part Lahnmir

Amathe · October 2018

I will play Pantheon the same way I play every game. Taking my time. No hurry. Making new friends as I go. Exploring. Learning how to play the game and my class.

I will not be trying to have the best gear, but I will be trying for my gear not to suck.

The best part comes when I have an established group of friends, such as in a guild, where the highlight of the evening is me logging on and having them all say "Hey, Amathe [or whomever]. What's up?" And them being glad to see me.

Adamantine · December 2018

I expect Pantheon to be the same as most MMORPGs: reaching maxlevel is the first step of the journey, and after that the phase to get the best gear starts.

Wizardry · December 2018

Adamantine said:

I expect Pantheon to be the same as most MMORPGs: reaching maxlevel is the first step of the journey, and after that the phase to get the best gear starts.

Sad isn't it and likely true.
This is why a design like FFXI's sub class system,gave players years of just combining and leveling classes and gave you a lot of versatility towards your character.WE coule literally play for 5+ years never worrying about gear or end game,just have fun with your class setups and kill stuff with friends,no stress,no instance/dungeons.
Now if Pantheon doesn't have any housing,it will actually be a step backwards from EQ2.I it does food the same way it did with the EQ series and Vanguard,it will be a BAD decision.If it does aggro systems the same way,another step backwards.
I do not accept mediocre nor moving backwards,i want to see a NEW and improved mmorpg.

GladDog · December 2018

I usually play classes that are easier to solo. My wife's health is not so good, so I often have to get up from my game and go help her. Teammates will probably understand, for a while... but once this situation drains too much fun out of the team, I have to quit. I will do group content and such, and I really like it. But I have to wait for days that my wife is doing better. The rest of the time I solo to level. Paladins are ideal for me, since they have high survivability and have solid roles in most teams, whether it is Tank, off-tank or off-healer.

Cuppett5 · December 2018

The question is, will we ever play?

Kyleran · December 2018

ConstantineMerus said:

You love people? You're the only person here who hates people more than me. I guess I can start saying that too then.

I really do relate with your definition of winning an MMORPG. I guess in the long run, it's not about the game, but the players. And since I had lost my crew I have stopped playing MMOs. Although you need a meaningful world to be able to form and maintain relationships. We bind through our joy and suffering, not shallow fun. I hope Pantheon would bring that platform.

Thank you for this post. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers mate.

PS. Kung Fu black belt here, 31 years and counting.

Concealed weapons permit holder, over 20 years and still shooting straight.

Wellspring · December 2018

Cuppett5 said:

The question is, will we ever play?

Not will, but when...

delete5230 · December 2018

Kyleran said:

ConstantineMerus said:

You love people? You're the only person here who hates people more than me. I guess I can start saying that too then.

I really do relate with your definition of winning an MMORPG. I guess in the long run, it's not about the game, but the players. And since I had lost my crew I have stopped playing MMOs. Although you need a meaningful world to be able to form and maintain relationships. We bind through our joy and suffering, not shallow fun. I hope Pantheon would bring that platform.

Thank you for this post. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers mate.

PS. Kung Fu black belt here, 31 years and counting.

Concealed weapons permit holder, over 20 years and still shooting straight.

Doing Martial Arts for so long, I've gotten the Indiana Jones sword thing thrown in my face so many times I can't even count.... It's like the number one thing people like to say.

And as far as having a gun... People tend to think Martial Arts people automatically DON'T own guns. I have a pile of them all over the house

Last people tend to think you should have lightning fast reflects like the movies (you should)...... But in real life, you should expect to take a good punch to the jaw before the fight often begins. Their are little tricks to potentially avoid this but I'ts a small rule you can expect.

Scott23 · December 2018

DMKano said:

Same way I play any MMO game.

Min/max with my guild, chew through content as fast as possible to get to max level and then work on end game gear.

We already have group roles figured out - as we've been playing MMOs together for over 15 years now.

Crush. Kill. Destroy.

Basically our idea is simple - dont waste time on any gear that is not end game, and while leveling up only use gear that is adequate to complete the content until max level.

Depending on how well the end game holds up, keep playing or shelf it until more end game content gets added.

All depends on quality of the game in the end, and quality of end game content - if there are major game breaking bugs and tech issues along the way - could end up in the trash bin before we ever get to end game

It's all in the hands of devs at VR - hope they make a good game.

@DMKano this is just about entirely opposite of the way I play. I am curious - really just curious since I don't play this way.

How long does it take your group to get to top level and consume the end game? The games I can probably relate to most would be EQ, EQ2, Vanguard, and SWTOR. Also, which games were good enough to come back for when they released more end game content?

Thanks!

Kyleran · December 2018

Scott23 said:

DMKano said:

Same way I play any MMO game.

Min/max with my guild, chew through content as fast as possible to get to max level and then work on end game gear.

We already have group roles figured out - as we've been playing MMOs together for over 15 years now.

Crush. Kill. Destroy.

Basically our idea is simple - dont waste time on any gear that is not end game, and while leveling up only use gear that is adequate to complete the content until max level.

Depending on how well the end game holds up, keep playing or shelf it until more end game content gets added.

All depends on quality of the game in the end, and quality of end game content - if there are major game breaking bugs and tech issues along the way - could end up in the trash bin before we ever get to end game

It's all in the hands of devs at VR - hope they make a good game.

@DMKano this is just about entirely opposite of the way I play. I am curious - really just curious since I don't play this way.

How long does it take your group to get to top level and consume the end game? The games I can probably relate to most would be EQ, EQ2, Vanguard, and SWTOR. Also, which games were good enough to come back for when they released more end game content?

Thanks!

Manos group is the ultimate progression team (with like minded friends) as far as I can tell, which I can well understand as character progression is my primary pillar when playing MMOs, everything else is secondary.

I just don't do the friend thing so much.

Wellspring · December 2018

Mars_Orbital said:

If the game is designed around levels, I will probably skip it.

Then I guess you'll probably be skipping it.

shetlandslarsen · December 2018

Have not been researching enough about the game but little i've seen looks promising. A tank of some kind who also plays decent solo.
Because og sickness my days vary wildly. So ill tank som pugs and join a relaxed social guild.

As a 55 year old Danish Raidleader once told me .I'm too old to rush. And as I age. 40 now, I tend to agree

ConstantineMerus · December 2018

Kyleran said:

ConstantineMerus said:

You love people? You're the only person here who hates people more than me. I guess I can start saying that too then.

I really do relate with your definition of winning an MMORPG. I guess in the long run, it's not about the game, but the players. And since I had lost my crew I have stopped playing MMOs. Although you need a meaningful world to be able to form and maintain relationships. We bind through our joy and suffering, not shallow fun. I hope Pantheon would bring that platform.

Thank you for this post. I enjoyed reading it. Cheers mate.

PS. Kung Fu black belt here, 31 years and counting.

Concealed weapons permit holder, over 20 years and still shooting straight.

I'll see you at high noon, father! Also, bring your little friend.

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